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# Build system gripe session
Build system gripe session
Link available from the design-sessions session description page
Topics include:
pvgrub
for instancegit submodules
Issues:
For out-of-tree build, for xen, use Kbuild.
Would be nice to be able to do (without having to clean or fix or patch):
Different users have differnt requirements: developers, users, distro packagers.
For everyday users we should point people to their distros.
Raisin tried to be devstack, which is not developers want or trust.
People in favour of removing more stuff from xen.git. Should start with a document describing how to build a xen system – pull this tree, use this rune etc etc. Or use Android's build system?
Git runes in tree should disappear.
Need transitional plan for osstest.