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    # Velero Community Meeting and Open Discussion Notes _This doc is meant to serve as the "one doc to rule them all" for Velero community meetings and open discussions._ _Join our [Google Group](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/projectvelero) to get updates on the project and invites to community meetings._ _Community meeting schedule:_ - _1st and 3rd Tuesday at 12PM ET / 9AM PT ([Convert to your time zone](http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/?t=09:00&tz=PT%20%28Pacific%20Time%29)) - [Zoom link](https://vmware.zoom.us/j/551441444?pwd=dHJyMWZtdHFPWWFJaTh5TnFuYWMvZz09)_ - _2nd and 4th Tuesday at 8am China Standard Time / 8pm ET / 5pm PT ([Convert to your time zone](http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/?t=17:00&tz=PT%20%28Pacific%20Time%29)) - [Zoom link](https://vmware.zoom.us/j/551441444?pwd=dHJyMWZtdHFPWWFJaTh5TnFuYWMvZz09)_ Have a question? Please add it to our [Q&A Discussion board](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/discussions/categories/community-support-q-a) _You can find recordings of these meeting [on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bmigfV0EqQRysvqvqOtRNk4L5S7uqwM)._ Archives of older meeting notes * https://hackmd.io/@jonasrosland/SyV22skpL * https://hackmd.io/ukRqw4IxRNeXFwoYmp4iJQ * [Achived notes 2021](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/Velero-Community-Meeting-and-Open-Discussion-Notes--2021) Add your request, question or suggestion to [our issue list](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues) _If you have anything you'd like to put on the agenda, please do so below for the next meeting:_ # May 10, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Bruce(Xun) Jiang (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Yunqian Chen (Dell-EMC) - Sukarna Grandhi (Dell-EMC) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) ### Status Updates - Daniel - Fix issues in CSI plugin - Call for verification. - Review PR - Yonghui - Kopia Integration - POC 1 - Done - POC 2 – Done - Design Doc - Ongoing - Review PR - Bruce (Xun) - Fix issues in CSI plugin - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4879 - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4761 - Refactor BSL controller - Review PR - Wenkai Yin - Bump up version of distroless image for main Velero and change the base image of plugin to scratch - Make garbage collection frequency configurable - Scott Seago - VolumeSnapshotLocation credentials: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4864 - RestoreItemAction plugin processing bugfix (merged): https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4890 ### Discussion Topics - Daniel - The FC date may be delayed - Are we OK to defer this one: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4864 - probably OK to defer to v1.10 - Any issue/PR needs our attention targeting v1.9? - Phuong opened an issue about BSL, Sukarna will let us know the issue number and we'll triage for v1.9: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4840 - Eleanor - JenTing/Helm chart updates/maintainership - TODO: Remove Jenting from auto-assign for velero/plugins repos. - Clarify the expectation of maintainer in Governance.md # May 3, 2022 ### Attendees - Orlin Vasilev (VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) ### Status Updates - Orlix - Archived Notes for 2021 [GitHub Wiki](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/Velero-Community-Meeting-and-Open-Discussion-Notes--2021) - OpenSource Summit NA 22 - Orlix and Scott - [Velero - The Cloud Native Backup for Kubernetes](https://ossna2022.sched.com/event/11Nu9?iframe=no) - KubeCon NA 22 CfP open until May 27th - [Register Here](https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-north-america/program/cfp/) - Open for cross org collab :) - Abbie - Working on 1.9 docs issues, opened a bunch of PRs in the past few days ### Discussion Topics Shubham: - Datamover design disscussion call on Thursday ? - Existing Resource Policy Design PR, good to merge ? https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4613 # April 26, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Xun Jiang (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Ming Qiu (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) ### Status Updates - Daniel - Refactor the backup deletion controller - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4669 - Fix issues in CSI plugin - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4760 - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4860 - Review PRs - Yonghui - Kopia Integration POC - POC 1 -- Done - Repo interface design - Prove Repo Interface -> Kopia Repo - Prove Kopia Uploader -> Repo Interface - Prove other uploader -> Repo Interface - POC 2 -- Ongoing - Integrate POC 1 code to Velero - Ming QIu - [Refactor the restic repository controller](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4859) - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4670 - Xun Jiang - Add insecureSkipTLSVerify for Restic CLI - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4839 - Fix CSI plugin issues: - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4758 - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/2499 - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4764 - Wenkai Yin - Refactor the pod volume restore controller with kubebuilder(PR [#4655](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4655) is under review) - Fixing [#4772](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4772): the restic controller doesn't pick up the in-progress CRs after restarting. The fix will try to mark them as failed ### Discussion Topics - Check the status of the issues for plugin versioning refacotr, restore policy and selectors. - The plugin versioning refactor for v1 will be likely out of v1.9 - Data mover design: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pulls#:~:text=Add%20datamover%20design - We may merge the PR first to cover the user scenario. - John Sandas works on Cassandra operators wanna use CR to backup cassandra running out of cluster, exploring ways to extend velero to trigger custom code to do B/R for the cassandra. # April 19, 2022 ### Attendees - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Yunqian Chen (Dell EMC) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten/Veeam) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Sukarna Grandhi (Dell EMC) - ### Status Updates - Abbie - 1.9 docs updates can be seen in the project board - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/projects/12 - Draft PR for improvements to the side nav on the website - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4812. Please review and add any comments :) ### Discussion Topics - Eleanor: Kubecon NA CFP in October - Past topics: - Velero 101 - What data protection do you need for K8s? - Note that we have heard that we should avoid single-vendor "selling" in the talk - One idea: - Data mover something? - If you are interested, please reach out on #velero-dev or ping Daniel Jiang or Eleanor Millman - Eleanor: Data Mover design doc part 1 to be reviewed by next week? https://kubernetes.slack.com/archives/C021GPR1L3S/p1650312063249659 # April 12, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Xun Jiang (VMware) - Ming Qiu (VMware) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) ### Status Updates - Daniel: Fixing issues around CSI plugin - Ming Qiu: [Velero performance test](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-EDvKghsm4NRirW_qoU7jlNXERMq5EC2J6hq7HYyEFA/edit) - Yonghui: Unified Repository Interface Design and Kopia Adoption (as file system uploder + repository) ### Discussion Topics - Daniel: - 18th April is the "feature freeze" for velero v1.9, no new feature request will be accepted after that day, can we check the plan for: - plugin versioning - refactor for v1 - restore policy - multi-label support - anything else? - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4785 - Shubham: - Multiple label selector support [PR](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4650) review request # April 5, 2022 ### Attendees - Orlin Vasilev (VMware) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Yunqian Chen (Dell-EMC) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Shawn Hurley (Red Hat) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat)⛑ - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Sukarna Grandhi (Dell EMC) - Shyam Anandasubramanian (Dell EMC) ### Status Updates - Eleanor - ongoing discussions on data mover and repo (Kopia). Meeting recordings and schedule are here: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/Data-mover-discussions and working PRD is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12uL7oG19-9Tv5iG-P6PKghhWCh_JuF-v1R-FCxBj6vI/edit - Abbie - Working on docs issues for 1.9. There are a bunch of good first issues for docs, if anyone is interested - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Good+first+issue%22+label%3AArea%2FDocumentation ### Discussion Topics - Phuong: -- Update on status of the Velero plugin interface versioning: Design doc has been merged in. You can find the design doc here: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/blob/main/design/plugin-versioning.md -- Implementation strategy: refactor v1 first, then adding v2. Refactoring v1 will be done one piece at a time, starting with BackupItemAction, then RestoreItemAction etc. to keep the PR small to make it easy to review, test and thus reduce chance of regression. -- Phuong has created a branch for refactoring v1 https://github.com/phuongatemc/velero/tree/refactor_plugin_v1_backupactionitem and start working on this item. Please feel free to contact Phuong (on Slack) to contribute. - Volume Group KEP: https://github.com/kubernetes/enhancements/pull/1551 # March 22, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Xun Jiang (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Shyam Anandasubramanian (Dell EMC) - Yunqian Chen (Dell EMC) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Poojita Badarinarayan (Dell EMC) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) ### Status Updates - Daniel: - Pulled out a list of work items for CSI plugin GA(for public cloud): https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22CSI+plugin+-+GA+-+phase1%22 Please let us know if there're issues you think important. - Reviewing Dave's PR, a bit more time needed... ### Discussion Topics - Phuong: Discuss next step on Velero plugin versioning - 10 min - Start refactoring to implement the versioning framework and v1. Make sure no regression first. Continue implement discussion on Slack. Involve Waikai and Daniel to keep every in the same pace. - Start design discussion on v2 on Slack. - Do we have community approval for replacing restic with Kopia? - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BMLuRzEpYWYE-Ci_eLg8gWbjDv4DSyqj/edit - Suggestion to have a pluggable repo model, have Kopia be the reference implementation - Will consider over several versions, allowing users to choose between restic and Kopia for restore - Review request on PRs: - Existing Resource Policy Impl: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4628 - Multiple Label Selectors Design Question: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4619#issuecomment-1068117210 - Datamover design https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4768 - Mini working groups? - Will schedule 2 meetings next week (same time next week) and Thursday 8 AM ET/8 PM Beijing - Eleanor - WG scheduling: Dylan, Eleanor, Dave, Sukarna, Amber, Xing - Discusions in #velero-dev - Further data mover discussion - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ECnUJt18sXmCkksgh2XgbCRe0zB85ZUdltpRChchoe0/edit - Discuss on the data mover implemetion method base on the performance consideration - Negotiate which has higher priority in data mover design phase one: generic CSI data mover or better performance data mover for specific CSI provider. - Need to consider data mover and repository are pluggable in the desgin. - Backup replication to other cluster is not included in the data mover by now. - # March 15, 2022 ### Attendees - Orlin Vasilev (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Yunqian Chen (Dell-EMC) - Rajula Vineet (CERN) - Shyam Anandasubramanian (Dell EMC) ### Status Updates ### Announcements - Eleanor: Discussion about potentially replacing Kopia with restic will be next week (March 22 evening North America, March 23 morning Beijing), read this doc beforehand if possible (post on #velero-dev if you don't have access): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BMLuRzEpYWYE-Ci_eLg8gWbjDv4DSyqj/edit - Eleanor: I am creating a PRD (product requirements doc) for a data mover feature, so please be in contact (#velero-dev) if you have opinions on this. Also, the community meeting next week is a good time to bring your thoughts. - Eleanor: We are potentially going to be working on a design for multi-tenancy during the 1.9 timeframe. Please be in touch (#velero-dev) if you want to be involved. Also, the community meeting next week is a good time to bring your thoughts. ### Discussion Topics - Phuong: Quick update on adding PriorityClass to PodAction https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/3933 Pull Request https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4740 - Data mover - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/astrolabe - Velero Plugin for vSphere data mover - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero-plugin-for-vsphere/tree/main/pkg/dataMover - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero-plugin-for-vsphere/tree/main/pkg/apis/datamover/v1alpha1 - NFS Share # March 8, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Yunqian Chen (Dell) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Ming Qiu (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Sukarna Grandhi (Dell EMC) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Xun Jiang (VMware) - Shyam Anandasubramanian (Dell EMC) ### Status Updates - [Daniel] - Review the design PRs - Fixed issue 4080 in main and 1.8.x - Investigating CSI plugin, will pull out a list of issues for phase1 GA (AWS/Azure) - Wenkai Yin - Prepare the RC build for 1.8.1 - Fix bugs targeting 1.9 ### Discussion Topics - [Phuong] - PriorityClass https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/3933 - Velero plugin versioning review. - [Tiger] - Should expired (by TTL) backup be garbage collected if it failed validation or the backup is partially failed by default? - We (Red Hat) are looking to allow user to delete these backup automatically by default or as a new feature. [Issue#4728](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4728) - [Shubham] - Are we on board with the design PRs - [ExistingResourcePolicy](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4613) - [Multipl Label Selector](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4619) - [YongHui Li] / [Ming Qiu] - [kopia restic comparison](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BMLuRzEpYWYE-Ci_eLg8gWbjDv4DSyqj/edit) # March 1, 2022 ### Attendees - Eleanor Millman (Vmware) - Yunqian Chen (Dell EMC) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Sukarna Grandhi (Dell EMC) - Shyam Anandasubramanian (Dell EMC) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell EMC) ### Status Updates - [Jonas] - Introducing Orlin Vasilev as the new community manager! - [Eleanor] - The 1.9 roadmap is finalized (but may be changed as needed). Please check out the recording from the community meeting last week to hear me talk through it. - GA will be mid-June. Release dates will be announced at the community meeting next week. - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/1.9-Roadmap ### Discussion Topics - [Phuong] - ServiceAccount A in namespace A was granted a SCC priviledge (using “oc adm policy add-scc-to-user...” command). After restore to a different namespace B, the SA A in namespace B lost the priviledge because priviledge was linked in the clusterrolebinding which specified SA A in namespace A ==> pod failed to start. SCC is OpenShift specific and OpenShift plugin should handle it. ==> Need to check if it is OpenShift plugin bug and file a bug with OpenShift plugin. We have similar issue with PriorityClass https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/3933 where the Pod reference to PriorityClass (cluster scope) and it is not included in the backup. - Role and Rolebinding are currently restored after Pod which caused Pod to fail when it needs some set up in Role/Rolebinding. Workaround (need to be tested) would be specify the restorePriorities option to have Role and Rolebinding before Pod. - Velero plugin timeout discussion: revisit next week when Daniel Jiang presents to discuss together with Velero plugin versioning. - [Eleanor] - PR review goal: "Velero maintainers review PRs on a weekly basis. So, if you haven’t heard anything from us within 5 business days, please post on #velero-dev If your PR is more urgent, feel free to ping us sooner on this channel and let us know." # Feb 22, 2022 ### Attendees - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten) - Tiger Kaovilai (Red Hat) - Yunqian Chen (Dell EMC) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Ming Qiu (VMware) - Xun Jiang (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Shyam Anandasubramanian(Dell EMC) ### Status Updates - Daniel - 1.9 planning - investigate issue 4080 - Review PRs ### Discussion Topics - Discuss the fix https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4080 - 1.9 Roadmap (basically) done! - Existing Resource Policy design PR: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4613 - Multiple label selector support design PR: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4619 # Feb 15, 2022 ### Attendees - Jonas Rosland (VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Phuong Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Yunqian Chen (Dell-EMC) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) -- Sukarna Grandhi (Dell EMC) ### Status Updates - items working towards roadmap - Eleanor - v1.8.0 is out! ### Discussion Topics - Jonas - Community meeting times - Eleanor - CSI snapshot Plugin to GA perhaps in 1.9 - Request for Upload Progress progress report from Dave :) - Shubham - Discuss updates to `existingResourcePolicy` design https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4613 - Discuss multiple label selector design https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4619 # Feb 1, 2022 ### Attendees - Jonas Rosland (VMware) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten/Veeam) - Shubham Pampattiwar (Red Hat) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) ### Status Updates - items working towards roadmap - Dave - Working on comments from Daniel on ItemSnapshotter PR and design [PR# 4467](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4467) ### Discussion Topics - [Eleanor] Follow-up on https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4285 (community support for older versions). - [Eleanor] Follow-up on (https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/Community-support-goals-and-action-items-(Work-in-Progress)) - [Dylan] CVE-2021-3538 fixes - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero-plugin-for-microsoft-azure/pull/120 - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero-plugin-for-gcp/pull/75 - [Shubham/Dylan] Enabling support for ExistingResourcePolicy to restore API https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4613 - After discussion, requested to update non-goals and explicit details regarding PVs and add scenarios/use cases # Jan 25, 2022 ### Attendees - Jonas Rosland (VMware) - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Ming Qiu (VMware) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Dave Smith-Uchida (Kasten/Veeam) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Xun Jiang (VMware) ### Status Updates - items working towards roadmap - Daniel - Review PR, Plan for v1.9 - Dave - Updated affiliation in PR https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4577 - Wenkai Yin - Refactor PVR controller with kubebuilder ### Discussion Topics - [Eleanor] Discuss https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/4285 (community support for older versions). - [Eleanor] Help with documentation if you have a few minutes! https://kubernetes.slack.com/archives/C021GPR1L3S/p1643045582010800 - [Eleanor] More generally, discuss community support goals and possible action items (https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/Community-support-goals-and-action-items-(Work-in-Progress)) - [Eleanor] 1.9 roadmap still WIP (https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/wiki/1.9-Roadmap-(Work-in-Progress)). Give feedback here: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/discussions/4529 # Jan 18, 2022 ### Attendees - Jonas Rosland - Nanci Lancaster - Bridget McErlean (VMware) - Scott Seago (Red Hat) - Dave Smith-Uchida (VMware) - Frankie Gold (VMware) - Phuong N. Hoang (Dell-EMC) - Rafael Brito (VMware) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Dylan Murray (Red Hat) - Shawn Hurley (Red Hat) ### Status Updates - items working towards roadmap - Bridget - Announcement - Data Mover design - Dave - Announcement - Astrolabe docs ### Discussion Topics - [jonas] Velero 1.8 release date - Feb 14 - [eleanor] [Collecting Requirements/Ideas/Features for v1.9.0](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/discussions/4529) - [brito-rafa] resurface the discussion on Pre/Post Backup/Restore plugins - design under approval - glad to add anything missing https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/4083 - [shurley] (If Time) Would like to dicuss velero performance with plugins and astrolabe intenegration using plugins for my understanding. - Parallelism as feature flag - Number of workers should be configurable - This will help if we ever need to turn OFF the parallelism feature - Potential "experimental" feature flag for all things experimental - Ordering of additional items on restore - Ensuring existing plug-ins are re-entrant - Scope this between pre- and post-hooks - Start with backup, then look at restore ### Contributor shoutouts # Jan 11, 2022 ### Attendees - Dave Smith-Uchida (VMware) - Daniel Jiang (VMware) - Eleanor Millman (VMware) - Frankie Gold (VMware) - Wenkai Yin(VMware) - Jiaolin Yang (VMware) - Danfeng Liu (VMware) - Xun Jiang (VMware) ### Status Updates - items working towards roadmap - Dave - PTO - GRPC Plugins for Astrolabe - Daniel Jiang - Testing post v1.8 FC - Preparing for RC - Wenkai Yin - Doing manual tesing and bug fixing for 1.8 ### Discussion Topics - (Eleanor) Docs update ### Contributor Shoutouts

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