# Velero Community Meeting and Open Discussion Notes

_This doc is meant to serve as the "one doc to rule them all" for Velero community meetings and open discussions._

_Join our [Google Group](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/projectvelero) to get updates on the project and invites to community meetings._
_Community meetings are held every Tuesday at 12PM ET / 9AM PT ([Convert to your time zone](http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/?t=09:00&tz=PT%20%28Pacific%20Time%29)) - [Zoom link](https://vmware.zoom.us/j/551441444)_

_You can find recordings of these meeting [on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bmigfV0EqQRysvqvqOtRNk4L5S7uqwM)._

_[Archive of older meeting notes](https://hackmd.io/@jonasrosland/SyV22skpL)_
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# July 7, 2020
### Status Updates
- nrb
- Community support last week, still playing catch up on GH issues though
- Review blitz yesterday, but did not get them all
- End in sight for our internal build process work, hope to give more time to this open source work!
- Restore hooks meeting yesterday, thanks everyone for attending!
- carlisia
- BSL controller PR: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2674
- Worked on adding the BSL validation as webhooks; talked to @nrb and decided we won't do it
- Did and doing PR reviews
- Finished reviewing the volume backup/restore progress design doc
- Next: converting ServerStatusRequest to controller-runtime
- ashish
- Community support this week:
- PR to fix a CRD backup regression in `1.4`. [PR](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2683) [Issue](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/2682)
- Tested against `"v1.16.9" "v1.17.0" "v1.18.4"`
- Will be included in the release for 1.4.1
- Working on internal build setup. Should mostly be done, need a few finishing touches
- PR to fix the file permissions on the manifests in the backup tarball.
- `0755` to `0644`
- [PR 2685](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2685)

### Discussion topics
- Phuong Demo of [Resource ordering](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2627)
- nrb: `master` branch will be changing to `main`. We need to work on making sure docs redirects will work, but it looks like in-flight PRs will not be redirected unless GitHub introduces some sort of PR redirection feature. https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2677 is tracking that work.
- vitta: [PR 2543](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2543)

### Contributor Shoutouts
- [@danielthrasher](https://github.com/danielthrasher): [updated acceptable values on cron schedule for day of the week from 0-7 to 0-6](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2676)
- [@mauilion](https://github.com/mauilion) & team: [Builder Image handling](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2620)
- [@tbatard](https://github.com/tbatard) & team: [Add linters](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2615)
- Everyone who attended the restore hooks meeting yesterday!

# June 30, 2020
### Status Updates
- carlisia
- BSL controller to handle validation + update BSL status phase - PR ready for review (this changes the behavior of the Velero server): https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2674/
- WIP: add webhook validation to BSL create/update
- PR reviews owed
- ashish
- on community support last week
- worked on some internal build setup and testing of the build artifacts
- Opened this issue last week [Issue 2673](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/2673)
- Currently working on some load testing for restic
- nrb
- Was out for the end of last week for family health issues, didn't get everything I wanted done.
- Reviews!
- Updates on docs, getting Jason S up to speed for implementing new commands
- On community support this week

### Discussion topics
- [nrb] Moving code from backup & restore controllers out into the pkg/{backup/restore} directories
Helps with kubebuilder/concurrency
- [stephanie] Scheduling a backup and restore focus meeting Monday July 6th, more info to come here

### Contributor shoutouts

Vishnu Itta for the volume snapshotter progress design doc!! Let's get that merged this week (for real!)
Marc Campbell for the restore hooks design doc!
Phuong for the work on the ordering design doc!

# June 23, 2020
### Status Updates
- nrb
- Lots of reviews, but sorry if I didn't get to yours
- Lots of internal work too
- carlisia
- On community support this week
- kubebuilder PR still getting reviews: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2561
- PR reviews
- Adding tests to: Add BSL controller - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2617

- ashish is out
- Worked on backing up volumes with restic by default

### Discussion Topics
- nrb [Restore hooks](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2465) - let's have a seperate call for this to address some concerns about using init containers.
- Main use case seems to be quiescing/unquiescing databases
- Will need to use some sort of tool to send this to a backup PV, and a tool to take it from the backup PV to a runtime PV
- nrb/carlisia - [Public/private APIs](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/2654)
- Let us know what you rely on!
- This will be phased, not all at once
- In 2.0, the current Go client for Velero will be replaced by a controller-runtime client. The informers/listers will be replaced by a client manager.
- Vishnu (Enable restic by default - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2611) and (Progress on backup/restore by plugins - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2543)

### Contributor Shoutouts
- [@adamrushuk](https://api.github.com/users/adamrushuk): [Update basic-install and release-instructions documentation](https://api.github.com/repos/vmware-tanzu/velero/pulls/2638)
- [@JessicaGreben](https://api.github.com/users/JessicaGreben): [add a supported provider: Storj object storage](https://api.github.com/repos/vmware-tanzu/velero/pulls/2635)
- [@adamrushuk](https://api.github.com/users/adamrushuk): [Update basic-install.md: Add windows cli installation option via chocolatey](https://api.github.com/repos/vmware-tanzu/velero/pulls/2629)
- [@tbatard](https://api.github.com/users/tbatard): [Update Jekyll to 4.1.0](https://api.github.com/repos/vmware-tanzu/velero/pulls/2625)

# June 16, 2020

### Status Updates
- steve:
- community support & reviews
- nrb:
Mostly focused on internal build tooling last week
Intending to catch up on community review this week
- ashish:
- Focussing on internal build setup
- Finishing up on [PR 2611](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2611)
- community support this week
- carlisia
- wip: add kubebuilder/controller-runtime - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2561
- wip: add BSL controller w/ controller-runtime - https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2617

### Discussion Topics
- [nrb] [Deletion plugins](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/issues/2400)?
- Would we want to take this opportunity to also do pre-backup plugins to? I don't have a use case right now, more asking because it's an opportunity to do so
- Next steps: Design doc
- Use labels, not configmap
- [nrb] [Restore hooks design](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2465) should be close to merging. Maintainers, please take another pass!
- [duffie] Linters for Velero, possibly also image handling
- [Vishnu] Restic snapshot specific differential size and https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2543
- Problem: How much object storage did a given backup consume?
- Is there a way to know differential size from the previous snapshot?
- This would help to prune object storage
- Restic does deduplication; if I have 10 backups and I delete backup 6, how much do I get back?
- Could we add a field to progress to tell report this?
- Restic's format design documents: https://restic.readthedocs.io/en/latest/100_references.html#design
- [tony] Update to Jekyll 4.1.0, https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/velero/pull/2625

### Contributor Shoutouts