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Presenter: Kostas Chalkias
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To be presented on 2020-04-20.
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Note taker: Daira Hopwood.
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Problem statement:
Purpose is to agree on one or two suitable schemes that are transparent, secure, interoperable, and have some privacy properties (to be decided?)
Current problems:
Want to have a reference proof-of-concept implementation with test vectors.
Can be used for benchmarking.
What is proof of solvency?
Option A:
Option B:
Option C:
Option D:
Option E:
Option F:
Can have a tree of contributors that reflects the organisation of reporting (e.g. COVID reporting by hospitals).
Features of DAPOL protocol:
Recommendations:
More applications beside solvency:
Q. Is there a deterministic number of times verification has to be done by verifiers to ensure that none of the users are missed out?
A. Have probabilitic model. Usually 15-20% of users sufficient. But users with large balances are more likely to check. Could improve by automating checks.
Q. About attack model: untrusted prover, honest but curious auditor, honest users, no collusion between parties?
A. Yes this is accurate. E.g. prominent past cases of colluding auditors. But better than nothing.
Q. Is there a way of linking a physical asset like cash (via a proof of assets) to the number that is reported? In other words, is there a way to prove that the number 'measured' is the same that is reported?
Q. Does it effectively take an "atomic snapshot" of everyone's asset status, or could they game proofs by making concurrent transactions? Money can be circulated in order to hide it. In a fully working system, there are big distributed systems problems.
A. This is why we don't deal with proof of assets, only liabilities. We use signatures for the transaction processing so that we can timestamp reports. There is no good solution to snapshotting assets.
A. (Daira Hopwood) We considered this in the context of stake-weighted voting in Zcash. Basically do a ZK proof that you held a coin at a given time (identified by an anchor, in the case of Zcash). This didn't handle payment channels.
A. (Kostas) Payment channels are very hard, because there can be risk-free collusion.
Q. How would you propose to handle identity data? Would need to both keep privacy and prove test result in COVID case. Can you change identity over time (e.g. by mixing)?
A. (by Kevin Lewi) Protocol doesn't handle identities, leaves that to another layer.
A. Some of this is specific to the contract tracing case. Useful to investigate but not the main focus of this protocol.
A. (Lera Nikola) Different audits can use different ids.
A. (Kostas) Users can give pseudonyms (although they could multiple-report). Need ids to be unique.
Q. Do you have a flip-side of the asset problem on the liability side (if someone challenges a proof)?
A. No obvious solution to dispute resolution unless you have bilateral agreements on contracts. Similarly for hospitals, there could be a signature that you have to prove a test result.
Daniel -
Should we standardize top to bottom or bottom to top?
Q: If we standardize the protocol, what other standards are we missing when it comes to the primitives?
A: may take existing standards for the primtives that exist, and build other independent standards for those that do not exist.
Charter Ideas
Goals:
Suggestions welcome! Please append at the end, and the moderators will incorporate into the schedule.
~15 minutes each, by default.
Was discussed partially in Q&A.
Skipped due to lack of time.
(Mariana) Should we standardize this proposal as-is? Or spend more time to crystalize requirements? Add new features/fixes?
(Kostas) Want to provide consistency. Problem has existed for 6-7 years with no solution. Let's make a start on standardizing something usable now. Open to feedback.
(Daniel Bennaroch) Important to have requirements clearly defined, necessary for people not to mess up usage.
(Kostas) How are we going to agree on which scheme to use, before we have standardized the schemes?
(Daira) Specify required security and functionality from proof scheme.
(Mariana) There are many schemes that would provide those properties.
(Eran) Proposals like zkInterface are in scope for this event.
Much discussion of how to proceed with getting interoperability to work.