# Agenda for the 2025 17 03 17:00 ADT CG Meeting

## Dial in details

*Zoom*: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

*When*: Weekly from 17:00 to 18:00 on Monday (Eastern Australia Time - Sydney)

*Location*: Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/95320945677?pwd=aMBNHYCSujHC1MW6z1V1CjbMfKwE27.1

## Attendees
- Victoria Richardson
- David Hyland
- Olaf Grewe
- Mark Williams
- Miki Brotzler
- John Phillips
- Brad Carr
- Kate Virgona
- Jo Spencer
- David Moore
- Gareth Narinesingh
- Jon Dart
- Jacom Oberman
- Derek Munneke
- Asli Demirel
- Dima Postnikov
- Jonathan Foyer
- Andres Olave
- Jan Vereecken
- Jaspreet Kaur Randhawa
- Linden Dawson

## Agenda

1. **Antitrust Reminder**: https://openid.net/policies/
2. Administration
- **Participation Agreements**: Reminder to sign the participation agreement if you wish to have your comments and contributions recorded.
- **Access to Slack**: Reminder to join the Slack channel for ongoing discussions and updates. You will need to sign the participation agreement to join the Slack channel.
- **Access to the Mailing List**: See the signup link in the Readme.md file.
3. Introductions - new attendees.
4. **Local Events**: (details below)
5. **Previous Actions**: (see below)
6. **Subgroup Updates**: (see below)
7. **AOB**

## Open Actions

- OIX Paper: Gareth and Dima to liaise with Gail Hodges and Nick Mothershaw
- Age Verification: Victoria to Share EU Paper.
- DH: Use Slack to get formal decision on the use of HackMD for Agenda Drafts.
- DH: Get Age Verication name formally changed to Age Assurance via Slack. - ACTION ON ALL: Review and feedback comments. https://oidf.slack.com/archives/C086C5WF4KA/p1741449316800659
- Stefan asked to be added to the list of people interested in participating in the Age Assurance Sub Group

## Local Events

Sydney Identity, Authentication & Access Management Summit 2025; 20 March 2025; Sydney; https://www.clutchevents.co/events/sydney-identity-authentication-access-management-summit-2025#agenda

Austalian Payments Plus: Beyond Tomorrow; 25 March 2025; Sydney; https://www.auspayplus.com.au/beyondtomorrow

Biometrics Institute Aisa Pac Conference; 21 May-22 May 2025; Sydney; https://www.biometricsinstitute.org/event/asia-pacific-conference-2025/

## ADT CG Subgroups

The ADT CG will govern and oversee the activites of the subgroups.

Subgroups will report back to the CG on activities, progress and broad socialisation/review of any work they undertake.

### Subgroups
## Age Assertion

**Meets**: Mondays follow the ADT CG core agenda.

**Overview**: https://github.com/openid/cg-australian-digital-trust/blob/f5c4682e24c7f28b8663cdb697268003728d7f73/InnovationDay-1/Readme.md

**Discussion**:

Review objective.

### SIDI Trust Framework Analysis

**Meets**: TBC

**Overview**: https://github.com/openid/cg-australian-digital-trust/blob/f5c4682e24c7f28b8663cdb697268003728d7f73/TrustFrameworkAnalysis/Readme.md

Currently the following people have expressed interest:
- Dave Hyland
- Olaf Grewe
- Andres Olave
- Dima Postnikov

**Discussion**:

1. Multiple columns for Australia: What are they?
2. Role for TrustID
3. Is AGDIS detailed enough yet to allow for policy references to be included with the mapping

**Next Steps**:
- Review material
- Define champion use cases
- Download from @Mark Verstege
- Overview of Prior art on Trust Frameworks from Victoria?
- Start mapping

# Minutes

1. Antitrust Reminder: https://openid.net/policies/
Mentioned
2. Administration
* Participation Agreements: Reminder to sign the participation agreement if you wish to have your comments and contributions recorded.
* Access to Slack: Reminder to join the Slack channel for ongoing discussions and updates. You will need to sign the participation agreement to join the Slack channel.
* Access to the Mailing List: See the signup link in the Readme.md file.
3. Introductions - new attendees.
Jon Dart - CBA
David Moore - IBM IAM
Asli Demirel - ConnectID
3. Local Events:
Mentioned as per agenda
4. Previous Actions:
OIX Paper: Access to source material currently under consideration
Age Assurance: Shared on Slack
Use of HackMD Decision: Agreed by consensus

5. Subgroup Updates:
Age Assurance
Victoria Richardson: Typically (and aligned with the AATP initiative in Aus), age assurance is the overarching process, with Age Verification, Estimation and Inference as the methods of doing this. Assertion would imply a unilateral proposition. I'd suggest we align with the AATP terminology definition.

I'm still trying to understand what we're trying to do in comparison to the AATP initiative.

It would be great if someone defined a risk aligned "framework" of these assurance methods, and mapped different use cases to these methods and solutions. Ideally this would be the AATP, but I'm not convinced they will. Something to watch...

Effectively complement the gov’t effort

Brad: Prep/support for innovation days
- Do we have the right topics/focus
- Recommendation for specific speakers

Jo Spencer: Parental consent ought to be a consideration in this context.
Gareth: Other working groups in OIDF working on this and work can be relied on

Action: Recut objective and put in Slack for confirmation
Action: Agree/assign tasks
Action: Provide links to working groups regarding parental consent

DADE
Linden Dawson: Our working group would be a sub-group of Death & The Digital Estate (DADE) with a focus on Australian rules, regs & cultural norms.

Trust Frameworks
David Hyland: Update on progress so far

Action: Victoria to review TrustID documentation and share outcomes as appropriate

Jan Vereecken: How is this related to work under SIDI Hub? Dave Hyland: Complements the work with a focus on Australia

Dima Postnikov: OIX work to be migrated to SIDI Hub with group currently forming. Technical specifications being progressed through a different stream. Some overlap between GAIN under OIDF and the working group under OIX.

6. AOB

Jon Dart: What about business identity? Some work done in the UK https://cfit.org.uk/cfit-publishes-digital-company-id-plan-to-slash-fraud-saving-uk-businesses-billions-annually. Consensus was not to constitute a sub-group but maintain visiblity. Jon to see if CFIT rep could brief this group.

John Philips: UN/CEFACT are about to start a program on a "Global Trust Registry" - a spin-off of the Recommendation 49 work on Transparency at Scale and the United Nations Transparency Protocol - Jo and I are contributors to the UNTP work and I aim slated to lead the GTR work. There are (of course) significant elements of identity for all the things that supply chains are concerned about (which is a lot of things).
Rec 49 is open for review until the 23rd: https://uncefact.unece.org/display/uncefactpublicreview/Public+Review+2%3A+Recommendation+No.+49%3A+Transparency+at+Scale
UNTP is here: https://uncefact.github.io/spec-untp/

Happy to talk about this at another session.

Victoria: Closes the meeting