OSM US Trails Working Group Meeting Notes 2024

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December 16, 2024 - End of year wrap

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Walt Daniels NYNJTC
  2. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  3. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  4. Diane Fritz OSM US board
  5. Jake Low, OSM US
  6. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  7. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
  8. John Miele, Cumberland Gap Trail Alliance
  9. John Ribes, AllTrails Public Lands Program
  10. Chris B, NPS
  11. David McSpaden
  12. Rob Savoye
  13. Derrick Nehrenberg
  14. Mike Passo, American Trails
  15. Jen Carlino, NPS
  16. Christie McDonald, NPS
  17. Will, Corps of Engineers

Agenda

  1. Welcome & Intros
  2. News and updates
  3. Around the room - State of the trails
    • challenges, wins - anything you'd like to share about what you're seeing in your part of the ecosystem
  4. 2025 Schedule
    • Moving to 1 main meeting per month. 1st Thursday or 3rd Monday of the month?
    • 4pm EST still ok?
  5. Thank you for an awesome year!

Notes

  • Year-in-review
    • John R: More land managers know what OSM is, especially in the past 6 months. More knowledge about TSI work too
      • Diane: How do people find out? Word of mouth amongst colleagues, American Trails webinars, webinars amongst land managers
      • Mike agrees, but still sees confusion and states doing their own thing (e.g. Colorado, soon Arizona)
      • Intl trails conference in April - round table?
    • John M: How do we get this uniform information out there once it's collected?
    • Derrick: Still sees people developing their independent resources, when a shared resources already exists (different approaches between counties, states, BLM, USFS, etc)
  • Maggie: has there been a reduction in complaints about incorrect data?
    • John R: Generally less incidents tied to a specific app, more user error. Still getting complaints. Are people more knowledgable, or less going out on trails?
    • Dave: Maryland is choosing their own path to have ownership over data, also sees disagreement about including social trails
  • Where do states get funding for the RFPs?
    • Dept. of Natural Resources (Derrick: their attitude is informed by conservation - more trails = bad), other agencies
  • Jake: More discussion globally about how to tag trails, more willing to disrupt the status quo in order to find the best path forward – more volunteers are invested
  • Maggie: the momentum hasn't slowed down!
  • Walt: is there a national meeting of state/federal mapping depts? NSGIC
    • Rob volunteered!
  • Rob: urban trail mappers have different definitions and ideas than rural trail mappers, wants to do the best for the community
  • Maggie: biggest opportunity for 2025?
    • National Trails Summit
    • Quincy: making 2024 ideas come to life, making them more robust (OpenTrailMap, for example)
    • Mike: using AI to find/update trails
      • Rob found at HOT that experienced mappers do better work, a lot of time is spent cleaning up mistakes
      • Jake: there may be opportunities to make mapping tasks easier/faster for humans (like manually reading an NPS webpage to get info about trail designation)
      • Rob: it also takes more time than expected to train the models
    • Derrick: forming a strong roadmap with the steering committee
    • John M: bringing data from OSM to authoritative datasets, facilitating hikers, land managers, etc. to give knowledge for a mapper to put into OSM
      • Christie: bringing OSM data in is a matter of licensing first, there is a process to validate data within NPS
  • Schedule:
    • Thursdays may conflict with Education Working Group
    • Thursday is also a smaller group typically
    • We're going with third Mondays!
    • New Zoom link too!
  • End of year recap email will go out soon

December 5, 2024 Tech Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Jake Low, OSM US
  2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  4. Diane Fritz, OSM US board
  5. Tony Cannistra, OnX Maps
  6. John Ribes, AllTrails
  7. Elizabeth McCartney, USGS
  8. Joe O'Brien, Colorado Parks & Wildlife (COTREX App)
  9. TJ Broom, USFS

Agenda

  1. Welcome & Intros
  2. News and updates
  3. PDMap updates
  4. Around the room

Notes

  • PDMap update blog post now on openstreetmap.us
    • Project managers can now create multiple instances, better integration within Tasking Manager and with other OSM tools
    • Trail cleanup can be done in PD Map and conflate with OSM if needed
    • Elizabeth: what projects would you like to work on with PD Map?
      • Quincy's wishlist: ability to create new instances within the TM, make it easier to drop existing data into PD Map, but features are based on user input!
      • Elizabeth: States need help updating and validating (Missouri, or states without GIS staff), conflating their data into PD Map & OSM
      • Quincy: ability to do this conflation easily & with existing OSM tools
      • Jake: PD Map integration with other OSM tools like OSMCha or MapRoulette
  • TJ: data exporter on the agency side, show how other agencies have implemented the workflow. Missing an illustration/demo of how this works over time.
    • Quincy: if you have the right tooling there are many ways to get data out of OSM, but this can get complicated
      • an additional barrier is crosswalking to OSM, and then back into the agency's data format
      • TJ: showing value partially means illustrating this workflow
      • It will look different for each agency/state/etc.
    • Jake: crosswalking some data is easier than others, we've done this with buildings for a PD Map project
  • Around the rooms:
    • Quincy has started a discussion on the community forum for network tags in regards to trails

November 18, 2024 Strategy & Outreach Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Jake Low, OSM US
  2. Diane Fritz, OSM US board
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  4. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  5. John Miele, Cumberland Gap Trail Alliance
  6. TJ Broom, USFS
  7. David McSpaden, Adaptive sports, GISP
  8. John Ribes, AllTrails
  9. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
  10. Tom Mueller
  11. Derrick Nehrenberg
  12. Denise Tolness, BLM
  13. Jenna Evans, Tahoe Area Mountain Biking Association (TAMBA)
  14. Jasmina Sekanovich
  15. Roy Weil
  16. Cy Smith, MA state GIO
  17. Tony Cannistra, On X

Agenda

  1. Welcome & Intros
  2. News and updates
    • new Trail mapping documentation on the OSM wiki
      • A best practices guide for beginner mappers, informed by the working group and other trail mappers (check out the massive FAQ)
      • If you have any Qs to add, message Jake in the OSM US Slack: @jake-low or email jake@openstreetmap.us
    • MapRoulette/Rapid data overlay integration
      • John M. suggested an "idiot's guide" to this process!
    • Utah progress: work done so far and still remaining
    • Mapping USA (January 24-25, virtual): Registration is open, and the Call for Proposals closes on November 25th
      • Anyone interested in presenting on this working group?
    • State of the Map US 2025 (June 19-21, Boston): Early bird tickets are on sale now, and the Call for Proposals just opened
    • Take the OpenStreetMap US Community Survey!
  3. Ambassador Program
  4. Around the room

Notes

MapRoulette intergration: desire to have documentation to make implementation of loading reference data sets simple.

  • Compatible data formats: geojson, PMTiles (these are needed for large datasets)

Remaining tasks in Utah

  • There are a few remaining trails left in Utah whose access info is not very clear (usually the trail crosses/follows a waterway), plus Pine Valley trails
  • Otherwise - we're done!

Ambassador Program Discussion

  • Requirements? Challenges in recruitment?
  • The updated wiki page can serve as an educational resource for ambassadors
  • Derrick - How does the Ambassador Program fit in to the strategic plan?
    • It allows us to scale current workflows and create a larger community of trail mappers
  • Walt - How will I find mappers in my area?
  • Tony - first pass is finding those regional ambassadors who can serve as a resource, instead of "managing" the mappers in that area
    • Jasmina - Could land managers approve who these ambassadors are? Ambassadors lessen the workload of land managers
  • Jenna - what are qualifications to become an ambassador? What is the expected workload. Suggestion: develop a "job description"
  • Roy - Another goal is to coordinate existing efforts and lessen duplicate efforts (find mappers who map the same area and connect them)
  • TJ - Unsure if agencies need to give input on who the ambassadors are. The FS is used to working with partners and their volunteers
    • Ability to translate agency problem into OSM solutions
    • USFS staff have been provided guidance to not spend gov time editing OSM themselves unless a small edit would address a pressing issue, so ambassadors fill that gap
  • Quincy - this program needs to fit many use cases: a volunteer mapper passionate about their local trails, agency staff, etc.
  • Walt - slack channel with ambassadors to communicate with each other, and for others to find them?
  • John M. - can an ambassador identify missing information, and bring it to the land managers?
    • Jake - Ambassadors should have contacts within agencies and other authoritative sources to solve these problems
  • Derrick - If the ultimate goal is to perfect trail data, should these ambassadors be volunteer or paid positions?
    • Diane - if we start ambassadors in places where inspiration is strong and we can show proof of concept, maybe that becomes a paid position?
    • John M. - Grant opportunity to fund paid position
    • Jake - current fundraising is targeted towards building tools, community
    • Tony - OSM US is a volunteer project, and volunteers have proven they can do great work editing the map. We create the "scaffholding" and scale it.
    • Derrick - the trails community is yet untapped in the mapping world, this is the moment!
    • Roy - a potential challenge could be engaging ambassadors who are currently on the ground maintaining and building trails and focused on a small set of trails for a smaller agency or nonprofit
      • Jake - The type of local knowledge these volunteers have is important, and hopefully other folks are able to make connections with those volunteers and put their knowledge in OSM as ambassadors
  • Tom - this is not one size fits all
  • John M - Land managers are looking at trails as an asset, data connected to that trail helps direct maintenance efforts, etc. Approach from a STEM/education perspective?
  • Quincy - when people can see how their data is being used, they become more invested in editing the map! How do we set people up for success and ensure their long-term enagement with high-quality edits
  • Tony - ideal ambassador is a force multiplier for volunteer mapper efforts. what metrics and goals can we identify to help guide this?
  • Walt - can we identify areas with a lack of map data and/or available ambassadors? Can we target engagement in those areas?
    • Jake - it may be an issue of directing mapper's attention to these gaps - which we have tools to do!

Around the Rooms

  • John M. - Create a tool that notifies land managers when edits are made in the map. Are water trails included in this effort? (Yes, but not a high priority. Message Quincy, he's been working on that alot in the NE)
    • Jake - we can write documentation on how to do this, there are existing tools

November 7, 2024 Mapping & Tech Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  3. Jake Low, OSM US
  4. Diane Fritz, OSM US board
  5. Kevin Schmitt, NPS
  6. John Ribes, AllTrails
  7. Rob Savoye
  8. Elizabeth McCartney, USGS
  9. Cassi Patterson, VDOT
  10. Charlie Watson, Strava
  11. TJ Broom, USFS

Agenda

  1. Welcome & Intros
  2. Review of last meetings
    • Role of Working Group in 2025
      • In 2025, move to 1 general meeting / month to consolidate discussion, and use the other timeslot for subcommittee(s) to meet
      • Intersperse some education-focused sessions (e.g. how to update trails)and use wg as a place to build relationships
      • road map subcommittee & ambassador framework next 2 Monday meetings
      • Utah wrap up blog post coming soon
  3. News & Updates
  4. Around the Rooms & Discussion
  5. Presentation on osmmerge.org from Rob Savoye
  6. Next meeting November 18 - work session for ambassador program; Next tech meeting December 5 - work on OTM spec

Notes (please help cocreate)

Strategic Road Map team: (add your name here) Derrick, Tom, Jasmina, Elizabeth,

Around the rooms

  • Jake: minor improvements to maproulette that will help with mapping missing trails; looking for small scale partnerships - if you have a small project reach out;
  • TJ: USFS continuing to talk about TSI; forest service staff presentations; budget hits at usfs
  • Elizabeth - USGS trail planning tool - to plan new routes, connect existing trails
  • Charlie - colleague presented at SOTM Kenya - verify…?
  • Cassie - manual update of VA trails - shared use vs single track; surface type - state trails plan (first for VA)

OSM Merge presentation from Rob Savoye

  • Inspired by Rob's navigation through backcountry areas as a volunteer firefighter with bad maps
    • Many highways and trails are missing anything beyond highway=track or path
    • Names or reference numbers can be wrong
  • Goals
    • fix metadata for highways and trails in remote areas and suggests improvements
    • conflate datasets with OSM
    • fix known quality issues
    • validate OSM data
    • reduce tag bloat and cleaning
    • create better data for folks navigating remote areas - from recreational users to emergency response!
  • External datasets from the USDA, county and state datasets from a few places, hiking trails in national parts, and more
    • Each dataset has a python conversion process to an OSM syntax
    • Compare datasets to find differences between them
    • Once all datasets have consistent metadata schema, they can be conflated
      • a confidence setting is generated
  • OSM Merge can process data for the entire US and works fully offline, you can use it to anlyze data for other uses, and generate a list of trails/highways that are missing or need to be improved
  • Generates an OSM XML file which you can then edit
  • The processed data files for different regions are available for the community to start mapping with
  • You can use the Tasking Manager to keep track of large project areas
  • Visit osmmerge.org for more info!
  • Thank you Rob!

Questions:

  • Whats the TODO?
  • Charlie: What does "fixing" the national forest entail?
    • Looking at official sources for surface type, name, width, access, etc. and putting that additional data to the existing features into OSM
    • Trails and highways in OSM may only have highway=path or highway=track and no additional info
  • John: Does this tool address nodes/POIs?
    • The tech does support POI info too, Rob collects this info from OpenDataKit
  • HOT = Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (hotosm.org)
  • Jake: How does fork splitting work? (detecting where conflation has failed because the OSM Way goes left at a fork where the authoritative data line goes right, causing the software to think the two lines are different roads - the fix is usually to split the OSM way at the fork, hence the term)
    • If conflation fails with haywire results, it's usually due to a road being mapped up the wrong side of a fork in OSM. Dump a list of those cases to a file and review them manually later

October 21, 2024 Strategy & Outreach Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Jake Low, OSM US
  3. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  4. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  5. Walt Daniels, NYNJtC
  6. Derrick Nehrenberg
  7. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
  8. TJ Broom, USFS
  9. Abigail Johnson (NPS)
  10. Dennis Byrd (BLM)
  11. Denise Tolness (BLM)
  12. Diane Fritz
  13. Alex Ernst (Idaho Dept. of Parks and Rec)
  14. Jasmina Sekanovich (Nevada Devision of Outdoor Recreation)
  15. John Miele, Cumberland Gap
  16. John Ribes, AllTrails
  17. Cy Smith, MassGIS

Agenda

  1. Welcome & Intros
  2. News and updates
  3. Review of past meetings
  4. Tooling Updates / Discussion
  5. Utah & mapping next steps
    • TSI blog update featuring Utah work (Dixie NF, 5 National Parks)
    • develop a strategy for moving forward based on lessons learned
    • potential to start projects in Arkansas and Nevada, utlizing/testing the ambassador structure
    • NPS project - filling gaps in trail data?
  6. Strategy Discussion
    • Role of Working Group
      • Set topics for 2025 working group meetings to have more formal brainstorming session. What should the topics be?
      • In 2025, move to 1 general meeting / month to consolidate discussion, and use the other timeslot for subcommittees to meet
      • Intersperse some education-focused sessions (e.g. how to update trails in OSM :)
      • relationship building
      • surfacing issues
    • Role of new Steering Committee - work on a program road map - goal is to get broad representation of stakeholders (land managers, mappers, private sector, ngos)
    • Fundraising - how should we approach this? Role of steering committee?
  7. Around the Room
  8. Next meetings November 4 & November 18

Notes

  • Tooling updates
    • There are folks in the community looking to solve similar conflation issues, we're hoping to collaborate with them!
    • OpenTrailMap is still chugging along :)
  • Utah mapping updates
    • Nearly complete! Jake is working on wrapping it up in the next few weeks
    • Future pilots will feature a similar editing tool, with a more beginner-friendly workflow (given additional funding)
    • It's time to expand this project to new places!
  • Strategy conversation
    • Derrick - What should steering committee rolls be?
      • Developing ambassador program
      • Fundraising and outreach
      • New 2-3 year strategic plan
      • Jasmina - would subcommittees be useful? For education, fundraising, ambassadors program etc.
        • Subcommittees would meet more frequently, with all-hands or chairperson meetings less frequently
    • Derrick - create a document to determine shared needs of the group? Then convene a smaller group of folks to draft the document
  • Around the Rooms:
    • Dennis - Future workflows that allow agencies to verify data (BLM has not completed travel planning, so authoritative data is not complete/verified yet)
    • Derrick - How do we connect the dots on existing tools and workflows out there? Mapillary imagery is especially useful for this case
    • Diane made some Strava connections

Strategic Plan team: (add your name here) Derrick, Tom, Jasmina

October 3, 2024 Mapping & Tech Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  2. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  3. Tony Cannistra, onxmaps
  4. Stephanie May
  5. Tatyana Dimascio

Agenda

  1. Welcome
  2. Review of last meetings
  3. News and updates
  4. Tooling Updates / Mapping Pilot in Dixie
  5. Around the Room
  6. Next meeting

Notes

  • Tooling updates from Quincy
    • Working on OSM Sandbox, it's almost done and can be useful for trail mapping!
      • Provides a controlled environment for training new mappers
    • Terrain tiles now available in OpenTrailMap
  • How to make these meetings most useful? Steering committee incoming…
  • The Dixie task is still available

September 16, 2024 Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  3. Jake Low, OSM US
  4. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  5. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
  6. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
  7. Stephanie May
  8. Derrick Nehrenberg
  9. Cy Smith
  10. Roy Weil, PA trails
  11. Logan Nuerenberger, Missouri trails
  12. Dale Lotts
  13. John Miele, Cumberland Gap Trail Alliance
  14. John Ribes

Agenda

  1. Welcome
  2. Review of last meetings
  3. News and updates
  4. Tooling Updates
    • OpenTrailMap
    • Data Crosswalk for NPS data - make it easier for mappers to consult authoritative sources while mapping/updating trails
  5. Discussion - Around the room - what brought you here? What should be the role of the Working Group moving forward?
  6. Any additional annoucements/around the rooms
  7. Next meetings October 3 & October 21

Notes - please help co-create!

Goals of working group attendees: (feel free to add your thoughts)

  • John - For third party apps to best render data
  • Roy - integrate existing trail mapping work with OSM
  • Cy - how this fits into the MassGIS trail initiative, and the NSDI governance pilots - one of which would focus on trails
  • Stephanie - there have been issues in this space for a while - sitting in to see if this group is going to take those on
  • Derrick - OSM is cool :) been mapping trails for years; Juicy Trails work, bettering data as a user
  • Logan - How gov datasets can work and communicate with OSM data
  • John M - Address incorrect data, official/unofficial trails, how do we best inventory existing trail data in Cumberland Gap and determine the best map going forward
  • Tom - Learn more about digital stewardship initiative - how can students and the public get involved?
  • Walt - Contributing as the ones who build/maintain trails, how do we get this new data from the field into OSM?
  • Dale - Syncing data from official sources to OSM, contributing map data personally
  • Quincy - make updating the map easier!
  • Jake - empowering open data and equitable access to the outdoors with OSM!

Themes

  1. Building relationships
  2. Aligning datasets
  3. Sharing resources in a resource-limited space
  4. Reducing duplication of efforts
  5. Improving data quality

How do we meet these goals?

  • Stephanie - More formal stakeholder brainstorming sessions, draft a clear end goal to fundraise around/measure success
  • Derrick - How can the WG be most helpful? A diversity of perspectives, connecting mapping efforts to what's on the ground
  • Jake - how to scale this beyond the WG? Trail Ambassadors!
    • How do we engage trail folks who aren't aware of OSM?
  • Walt - get state agencies to buy in!
  • Stephanie - workflow improvements to support existing mappers, engage existing mappers
  • Roy - reduce friction for him to share his existing data w/ OSM / ensure new data is accurate before scaling
  • Derrick - breaking tasks down into approachable steps
  • John - approachable how tos for new mappers/trail ambassadors and articulate the larger story

Next Steps:

  • OSM US to outline the last two discussions and draft a timeline/start of a next phase plan that considers the NSDI (Maggie will talk to Cy about that offline)
  • think about a formal brainstorm session

September 5, 2024 Mapping & Tech Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  4. Jake Low, OSM US
  5. Stephanie May
  6. Diane Fritz
  7. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
  8. Tony Cannistra
  9. Tatyana Dimascio

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions if new folks
  2. Review of last meetings
  3. News and updates
    • American Trails webinar recording & December 19 pres
    • USGS aggregation seminar presentation
    • AGIC - Maggie presented on trails
    • no word on NPF grant
    • upcoming Mappy Hour Sept 18
  4. Dixie tasking plan / future workflow
  5. OTM as basemap pilot to determine resource needs
  6. Demo time
  7. Discussion
  8. Around the Rooms
  9. Next meeting September 16 & October 3

Notes

  • Demo from Jake - Crosswalk Tool
    • bringing NPS data into OSM as a reference layer
    • facilitates authoritative data being reviewed by mappers and then added to the map
    • show differences in attributes and geometery
    • you can use it as a custom base layer in Rapid!
    • do a diff report - gaps, alignments
    • missing trailheads in utah - task in maproulette
    • Stephanie - custom tiling on pmtiles viewer
    • files are at zoom level 12 - so lines may not be accurate; preserve the original resolution
  • Dream workflow(s)
    • MapRoulette + Crosswalk Tool + OTM
    • Getting Data in
    • Getting data back to agencies
    • feedback loop from hikers/land managers
    • ease of use
    • not having to check each trail for attributes
      • Jake's tool can keep checking attributes within Rapid
  • How do we test that out? Pilot tasks?
  • Next steps
    • rough edges on MR to Rapid workflow
    • can't specify a data overlay for challenges (mappers have to turn it on)
    • miles of trail as a metric? attributes changed?
    • AOI / leaderboard
    • communicate it as - use the tool you want? focus on this area
    • start here on your mapping journey :) It may make tasks more approachable to new mappers to suggest a workflow
  • Conflation and map matching
  • Around the Rooms
    • Walt - interested in ambassador recruitment and defining the program; NY mostly state data;
    • Stephanie presenting at Nacis about small projects using pmtiles
    • MC- MA Statewide Trails GIS: Data Governance Meeting
    • Quincy - https://github.com/osmus/OpenTrailMap/issues; outdoors chatanooga meeting
    • community tile server - support local sites
    • onx - informal styling - and has more OSM in their app - woohoo

August 19, 2024 - Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
  3. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
  4. Diane Fritz, OSM US Board
  5. Tony Cannistra, OnX Maps
  6. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
  7. Jake Low, OSM US
  8. Stephanie May
  9. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  10. Cy Smith
  11. Mike Passo
  12. Dale Lotts
  13. TJ Broom
  14. Derrick Nehrenberg
  15. Denise Tolness

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions if new folks
  2. Review of last meetings
  3. News and updates
  4. Digital Trail Ambassador program discussion
  5. NPF Accessibility Grant - still need a park partner (due Aug 22 - this Thursday!)
  6. TSI Steering Committee formation
  7. Around the rooms
  8. Next steps
  9. Next meeting September

Notes

  • LOS from a NPS person?
    • North Country trail?
  • review / improve email distribution / calendar invites

Discussion about the Trail Ambassador program

  • Roles - what do these folks do?
    • Ambassador 'willing to be the poc'
      • main point of contact for land managers;
      • data validation and tasking
      • heavy OSM community contributors
      • university professors - esp with natural resource connection (service learning is a big thing)
    • Steward
      • volunteer mapper
      • students (service learning)
      • pipeline of folks coming from the apps
      • anyone
  • how big do the regions need to be?
    • depends on the miles of trail
    • existing capacity
    • is "regions" even how to think about it?
    • How do we manage overlapping interest in regions and gaps?
  • Who would fill this role?
    • Search and Rescue organizations
      • e.g. seattle SAR - have folks who maintain maps
    • Park nonprofit GIS staff
    • hiking clubs
  • What resources would they need to do the "job"?
    • Tool to make it easy to contribute
    • Training - short course online
    • link from the apps to come into this course
    • name and map on the website
  • Other feedback
    • American Trails had an ambassador program 3 years ago - got like 350 people across the country. It was overwhelming and they didn't have adequate guidance for so many people. Passionate and ready to go, but they need the tool/mechanism to get them to understand
    • Wiki -
    • Tanzania dev fund - created a small course online (toolbox); quizzes
    • empower folks to choose their own area? size? don't assign it
    • who stands to gain by having their trails in OSM? agencies, trail apps,
    • open it up and let folks in!
    • how can the program be a tool for folks who are passionate effective?
    • it would be difficult for OSM US to 'direct' who gets what where - need a balance of expertise of a region for funding and the concept of collaborative volunteerism.
    • build tools to let anyone be am ambassador for a region
    • OSM US needs to direct funding and other things
    • Walt's book - welcome to west chester - has trail checkers; updates don't leave his desk
    • Trail directory
    • AOPA - pilot association - ASN program https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/airports-and-airspace/airport-advocacy/asn
    • could have a main / sub
    • volunteer firefighters? :)

Around the rooms

  • keep building community
  • so many folks doing similar work - Mike - Center for Trail Data - nonpartisan group/coalition; how do we improve collaboration? all the schemas? one national dataset
  • Stephanie: I’ve started diagramming out the issues that and comments that I’ve seen come up at the last two meetings, both in terms of technical requirements (uploading GPs/strava file, tagging standards, crosswalk between OSM data and other agency schemas, agency validation and incorporation across data stores) and the organizational strategy (local ambassadors, trail policy tzar, etc.).

Links from meeting
USFS schema on the OSM wiki here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data

​And I wrote some code to go with that here: https://github.com/jake-low/usfs-to-osm
​And analogous code for NPS (WIP): https://github.com/jake-low/nps-to-osm

Basic tutorial about editing OpenStreetMap: https://openstreetmap.us/get-involved/start-mapping/ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Trail_Access_Project

August 1, 2024 - Tech

Attendees

  1. Diane Fritz, OSM US Board
  2. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  3. Teddy Ahlvin, Apple
  4. Elizabeth McCartney, USGS
  5. Daniel Schep, onXmaps
  6. Stephanie May
  7. TJ Broom
  8. Michelle Peot
  9. Kevin Schmitt, NPS

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions if new folks
  2. News and updates
    • SotM US videos on YouTube
    • Quincy now full time
    • Jake Low hired for OSMCha and MapRoulette, still working on trails
    • Program Coordinator hire incoming
    • National Parks Foundation Grant applied for
    • NPS now an organizational member of OSM US
    • Trails Stewardship Initiative online info session - Aug 22nd
  3. Guides for X-walking data.
    • Work is being done for USFS (Jake)
    • NPS - would be beneficial to do a similar x-walk
    • How to call them done and make them findable
  4. OpenTrailMap updates
    • full screen: more data and good for mobile
    • Added parks layer to focus on area
    • Goal: make the opentrailmap look like the official park map
    • Can filter by tags like operator
    • Help for visualizing changes: https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/
  5. Trailless route risk management survey
  6. Around the rooms

Notes

Kevin S would like to have a workflow for NPS approving community edits to NPS trails. Michelle offered to work with Kevin to put together a user reqs doc to share with the Trails Working Group.

July 15, 2024 - Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Jake Low
  3. Walt Daniels

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions if new folks
  2. Review of July 11 meeting
  3. OSM US Updates
    • NPF Grant application - canyonlands and arches nps - awaiting LOS
    • NPF accessibility grant - partnership with American Trails
  4. Outreach/engagement needs for upcoming projects (dixie)
  5. ideas for a roadmap to develop the ambassador program
  6. Wiki updates - Jake/Tom
  7. Around the rooms

July 11, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Jake Low
  3. TJ Broom, USFS
  4. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  5. Tony C (phone)
  6. John Ribes
  7. Michelle Peot

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions if new folks
  2. Review of June meeting
  3. Feedback from State of the Map US
  4. NPF grant - due Monday NPF link
  5. Workflow for Dixie/Utah projects
    • Outreach to land managers
    • Data improvements
    • Schema conversion tool & Rapid workflow (Jake)
    • Tracking impact
  6. Primitive trail/wading route mapping - Michelle
  7. Around the Room Updates
  8. Next Steps

Notes

Workflow/tool improvements

  • opentrailmap demo updates
    • opportunities to improve; overlay gov data layers; edit right in the browser instead of jumping to another?
  • expand rendering guidelines, and mapping guidelines based on land manager/region; best practices from OSM back to agencies so there is more harmony; crosswalk schemas for each main land mngmt agency to reduce confusion for mappers
  • Michelle's map https://caltopo.com/m/J10U001
  • Jake's schema code - translate USFS to OCM tags - read in forest service, spit out the same features in OSM schema - uses it in JOSM to do manual data conflation - & turn the data into a tile set and load it into rapid you can use to compare. copy paste from text field
  • Proposal: student interns to enhance the federal data? intern to make a template
  • Next steps:
    • improvements in map roulette with rapid integration
    • create lists of tasks instead of always using a task manager?
    • pilot the workflow and get feedback from them - dixie

June 17, 2024 - Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. John Ribes
  3. Jake Low
  4. TJ Broom, USFS
  5. Mike Passo, American Trails
  6. Michelle Peot
  7. Tom Mueller, Mass GIS
  8. Tim Moreland, City of Chatanooga
  9. Keri Nelson, BLM
  10. Cy Smith, Mass GIS
  11. Joe O'brien Cotrex

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. American Trails August Webinar - Mike Passo
  3. Review of State of the Map US
  4. Next steps for Utah projects
    a. Bryce: tasks in NP are complete; are we done? Blog post
    b. Zion: partnership with Zion Forever?
    c. Arches: park hiking trails, Labrynth Canyon motor vehicle restrictions?
  5. United_States/Trail Access Project wiki page updates - Jake Low
  6. Around the Rooms

Notes (please help co-create!)

American Trails Webinar Series (national trails advocacy org)

  • weekly Thursdays 10am PT ~1k people - August 15, 22 or 29 or Nov/Dec
  • TWG to present - what is OSM? What is the TSI? Two part - Augst/November with a follow up
  • goal of the outreach? spread the word
  • 45 min/ 15 min or 90 mins. at least 30 min for Q/A
  • opp to education about OSM more broadly
  • who wants to help with it? Jake, Michelle, Keri
  • August 22 - Mike to follow up

State of the Map US recap

  • panel presentations
  • BoF Notes
    • Improve the tooling - and mapping workflow
    • Shape the Ambassador Program
    • Do both in tandem but get tools in plae before we promo ambassador program
    • need for fund raising
  • improved mutual understanding
  • use of informal tag as default?
  • make it easier to contribute, which will make it easier to onboard ambassadors

Fundraising

  • accessibility information big. Move United has $ if we can incorporate their needs - what is the min viable data need for accessibility?

Utah Mapping Next Steps
Bryce

  • before/afters of the rendering
  • app cycle refresh? did the updates come through?
  • reach out to Kevin Poe with data and ask if he's seen a change
  • 1st week of every month in AllTrails - so that has come through
  • Daylight is sunsetting
    Zion Forever partnership
  • college interns to help w/ the mapping
  • David Maxwell - SUU

Dixie
Arches

  • recent DoI closure of Labyrinth/Gemini Bridges OHV roads and associated court cases. OSM updates are not yet complete.
    Moab - working on getting the most accurate data out there
  • working with Grand County and potentially a pilot to get someone in to the county to work on this
  • Universities will start thinking about projects / etc in August
  • documentation that folks did the work - if that faculty person is a digital ambassador they are given the ability to grant those credits

Wiki:

  • Jake updating the wiki but in the meantime looking to it as a place for new mappers to start

Around the Rooms

  • Cy: Statewide trails initiative in Mass - data hosting, editing capabilities. will propose a governance group for the state to include stakeholders (including OSM - who wants to join from this group?)
  • potential for working group steering committee?
  • Backlog list? Tasks for volunteers -
  • drop the dixie tasks? already set up in the tasking manager
  • John: public lands groups - Zion getting money via 1% for the planet - can we look at pilot groups? other nonprofits? OSM US is

Next Steps:

  • Digital Ambassador Program scoping and planning - define the roles and governance
  • Keri to talk to folks at Moab and report back
  • Budget - share for opentrailmap.us and phase "1"`"
  • WG to help review Jake's documentation (Tom!)

May 20, 2024 - Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
  3. Carly Lansche, Utah Division of Outdoor Recreation
  4. TJ Broom, USFS
  5. Mike Passo, American Trails
  6. Jason Wolf, SL County
  7. Cy Smith, MassGIS
  8. Joe O'Brien, CoTrex, CPW
  9. Jake Low

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • Mountain West Conference last week in Vernal UT
    • community engagement ideas, USFS-OSM schema, validation
  3. Utah Tasking - Bryce next steps
    • Blog post; press release; fundraiser?
    • would it be a good webinar? American Trails 1200
    • tie it to impact
    • how many mappers / time invested / miles of trails
    • share file back with Kevin Poe at Bryce
    • before and after in the commercial app - what was changed?
    • why fix it in OSM
  4. State of the Map US June 6-8! questions, opportunities
    • panels
    • BoFs
  5. Fundraising and outreach - ideas?
  6. Around the Rooms
  7. Hope to see you in SLC! Next online meeting June 17

Notes

OSM. One tool to fix it all.
Feedback from Mountain West conference.
Cy, MTC initiative in Boston area - MassDOT

  • statewide trails database to be updated by agencies
  • they want MassGIS to host it.
  • Funding available to create a road map.
  • Loads of stakeholders and data layers - pool funding
  • potential to use OSM for editing - what would the updates need
  • State layer - Utah trail heads are an example
  • Mass would take on the stakeholder engagement - find out how OSM fits in

Model - OSM US supports the back end, network/engagement partners;
how does it scale? in many cases there is already a person in place doing this - get them involved - Rec Trails program (RTP) - $83m total - 5% can go to education and they often have a hard time spending it
invest in the technical workflow - opentrailmap
role of public domain map? adding new trails and updating closures
would it have to be allocated in specific ways? depends on the state
cotrex as an avenue to test feedback? cotrex - all data there is 'official' - osm overlay into the system? they validate their info at cotrex. plug in to editor in the long term? already in Esri
Panels - drop in slack any ideas for questions to panelists

  • invest some of the $ made of OSM back into it - champions needed!

May 2, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley
  2. Jake Low
  3. Diane Fritz
  4. TJ
  5. Tony
  6. Quincy
  7. Christie McDonald

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • april 15 - few new folks so intro'd them
    • schema meeting - decisions for dixie nf 'cascades'
  3. Utah Tasking - Bryce
    • Project #447 - fully mapped / 10 tasks to validate
    • Project #451 - Fully mapped / 24 to validate
    • Project #452 - 15 of 20 to map / 20 to validate
    • Goal: Have a fully mapped by mid May, report/stats for SOTMUS (there is a TSI talk schedule for Friday)
  4. State of the Map US - June 6th-8th, SLC
    • Program Live
    • Panels - Maggie met with them yesterday
    • TSI talk on Friday - Maggie, Jake, Diane
    • Birds of a Feather Saturday session
      • statistics - Jake
      • spec the dream workflow
      • digital trail stewards
    • Outreach! Please help spread the word. 1 day tix available
  5. AllTrails / data feedback loop & conflation discussion
  6. Around the Rooms
  7. Next meeting Monday May 20 - then SotMUS!

Notes (pls help co-create)

  • schema follow ups - plan to discuss at sotmus
  • 15 more tasks to map in Bryce! spread the word
  • Validation of Bryce
    • sample a few to validate? simpler way to validate?
    • bring into OTM and check for operator? validate all at once?
    • Link/conventon for attributes we asked for: Name, Operator (i.e. National Park ervice), Access (i.e. no, private), Allowed Use (i.e. hiking, snowmobile, dogs), Informal (i.e. yes, no)
    • add a button in TM for OTM
    • tile updates every 4 hours
    • compare final linework to original
    • send back to Kevin at NPS?
    • blog post on it incl. lessons learned
  • State of the Map US content
    • Saturday panel - land management/stewardship
      • ideas from the group for questions
      • connecting the map to the landscape - impacts of that
      • desktop vs the field/trail
      • share their experience - people following the blue dot
      • impacts - negative
      • positives - info, diversity, ability to plan and respond
    • Friday panel - data management, responsibility
  • Mountain West Trails conference May 13 - Maggie will be there, Keri too
  • Conflation / data feedback loop discussion
    • technical hurdles
    • proprietary challenges
    • Outside - Todd?
    • how to get folks into participating and create norms. digital stewardship awards (model on LEED rating for a building to participating platforms)

April 15, 2024 - Outreach & Strategy Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Walt Daniels
  3. John Ribes
  4. TJ Broom, USFS
  5. Jake Low
  6. Peter Horgan, Outdoor Alliance
  7. John Schmid NY State DOC
  8. Kayloni AhTong

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • USFS data schema translated to OSM?
    • Next area for pilot is Dixie NF
  3. State of the Map US - June 6th-8th, SLC
    • Program Live
    • Panels - what kinds of questions?
    • Birds of a Feather
      • statistics - Jake
      • spec the dream workflow
      • digital trail stewards
    • Outreach! Please help spread the word
  4. Utah Tasking - Bryce
    • Project #447 - fully mapped / 10 tasks to validate
    • Project #451 - Fully mapped / 24 to validate
    • Project #452 - 15 of 20 to map / 20 to validate
    • Goal: Have a fully mapped by mid May, report/stats for SOTMUS (there is a TSI talk schedule for Friday)
    • Leverage SOTMUS to plan next phase of the campaign
  5. Around the Rooms
    • review wiki page - find Skunkman 56
    • John shared about the TWG at his recent conferences - well received
    • Mountain West Trail conference - May. Maggie presenting
  6. Next Thurs meeting May 2 / Next Monday meeting May 20

April 4, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees

  1. Diane Fritz, OSM US Board
  2. Jake Low (OSM volunteer, jake-low)
  3. John Ribes (AllTrails)
  4. Joel Schlagel (Geoplatform.gov)
  5. Kerry Shakarjian (NPS)
  6. Angie Southwould (NPS)
  7. Tatyana (USGS) - subbing for Elizabeth McCartney
  8. Christie McDonald (NPS)

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
  3. SotMUS reminder: June 6th-8th, SLC
  4. Schema Discussion

Notes (pls help co-create)

Flow chart:

  • Idea for instructions: build a visible flow chart with splitting concepts a mapper needs to pay attention to (way to digest the 3 reference sources for Dixie FS)
  • Motorized column is a good guide as an example to start the hierachy.
  • https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data
    ALLOWED_TERRA_USE is a column that gives an overview of what uses are allowed

Managed use - timeframe relates to liability by the USFS for an activity during that time period. Other categories are "accepted" and "restricted" which are more related to the access tags in OSM.

USFS doesn't have difficulty ratings for trails like OSM has. Not an issue with the crosswalk.

operator will always be USFS unless there are transfers of liability for a trail system.

Routes, not trails

  • Intermittant trails (backcountry ski, etc.) winter routes.
  • These could be marked via time ranges, but date ranges aren't great, and winter use tagging may be more dependable. USFS dates are about when the trail is managed.
  • osm has tags for physical evidence, then separate for pistes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:piste:type (formal AND informal)
  • mountaineering routes (all informal) - filter out with high sac_scales

Join OSMUS slack: https://slack.openstreetmap.us/
Then ping @fritz or @jake-low to be added to the private #trailswg channel
(There's also a public #trails channel used by the broader OSM community)

api for real-time trail closures: Christie's group (NPS digital information) is already working on it (maplands hasn't tackled it yet)

FOCUS for Dixie USFS - create the flowchart for OSM v USFS

Wins

  • example would be trail name = easy crosswalk

Issues

  • None noted - OSM has some things USFS doesn't and visa versa, but there aren't incompatibilities/conflicts in the tags & attributes

March 18, 2024 - Strategy & Outreach Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Torsten Heycke
  3. John Ribes
  4. Walt Daniels
  5. Kerry Shakarjian, NPS
  6. Marissa Marshall, OSM US
  7. Jared Anderson
  8. David McSpaden

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • workflow improvements
    • how to bring in more mappers
    • State of the Map US ideas
  3. Discussion
    • Goals of an Ambassador program - how do we scale? let's envision the program
    • Fundraising for the Trails project
      • outreach for Trails Fund - ideas?
      • $ to build opentrailmap
      • grants? individual donors? sotmus sponsors?
  4. State of the Map US June 6-8
    • Panels - your interest?
    • outreach - pls help promo attendance
  5. Around the Rooms
  6. Next Monday meeting April 15

Notes (pls help cocreate)

Trail Ambassador program

  • Trail forks has a program with local folks
  • Patapsco valley state park
  • how many hours a week?
  • what would the job look like?
  • 20-25 changes a years on about 2k miles
  • land managers work with existing Friends of groups to get things done
  • NPS is a park by park basis
  • App Trail - project office at NPS
  • skill set needed? level of expertise?
    • will need training materials
    • what level of support do they need?
      Fundraising
  • grants at Utah DNR
  • IMBA? Grants to assist with trail building - maybe to get data in?
  • Outside - Gaia & Trail Forks

State of the Map US

  • Utah DNR Jason Curry (sp?)
  • NPS local? Kerry to look
  • AllTrails, onX, USGS, NPS - plus moderator?
  • travel management plans- offroading group
  • Ride with Respect - Moab Cliff Koons

March 7, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees (please sign in)

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Elizabeth McCartney, USGS
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM USx
  4. Tony Cannistra, onXmaps
  5. TJ Broom, USFS
  6. Kelsey David, USFS
  7. Jared Anderson, Utah Div of Outdoor Rec
  8. Diane Fritz, OSM US Board

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • workflow improvements
    • how to bring in more mappers
    • State of the Map US ideas
  3. Discussion on Dixie & Approach
  4. Utah Tasking - unchanged since 2/8 - 23 to go!
  5. State of the Map US June 6-8
  6. Around the Rooms
  7. Next meeting - move back 1 hour?

Notes (pls help co create)

Next Steps

  • Let's draft the first dixie task and test as a wg - invite Alisha Palmer
  • reword the attributes/existing forest service layer into something more intuitive; make it translate on the fly/translate
  • State of the Map US
    • app panel? fed agency? utah rec?

February 26, 2024 - Strategy & Outreach Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  3. Marissa Marshall, OSM US/The Marshall Plan
  4. Jake Low (OSM volunteer: jake-low)
  5. John Ribes
  6. Stephani Lyon, Zion Forever
  7. Jared Anderson, Utah DNR
  8. Dave McSpaden
  9. Tony Cannistra
  10. Elliott Plack
  11. Walter Daniels, NYNJTC

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings & updates
    • workflow improvements
    • how to bring in more mappers
    • potential change to pilot plan
    • State of the Map US
    • outreach strategy
    • USFS presentation
    • Mountain West Trails conference
  3. Trail Mapping Demo
  4. State of the Map US June 6-8
    • Outreach - Call for proposals
    • Outreach - sponsors
  5. Around the Rooms
  6. Upcoming meetings
    • Tech - March 7
    • Strategy - March 18

Notes (pls help co-create)

  • insert things you don't want to forget
  • how do we generate tasks to avoid concentrated areas?
  • can we split lines when attributes change? yes definitely
  • buffer areas to avoid footpaths
  • workflow - cast a narrower net to make sure you are focusing volunteer time - use length or distance from paved roads to filter?
  • State of the Map US Ideas
    • offroading community - affected by BLM change to access -
    • encapsulating federal land management changes in OSM? variability of statuses and why its important to keep them up do date
    • Blue River Coalition?
    • DNR - Offroad coordinator - may help us contact folks - motorized access advocacy groups
  • keynote - impacts of digital side on real world - impacts
  • Keri Nelson
  • Moab mountain bike association -
  • purple lizard / latitude 40
  • Utah SAR panel
  • wildfire response?
  • Jeff Marion - USGS Federal Scientist & Professor at Virginia Tech - Trail building & sustainability talk Jake saw: https://www.americantrails.org/resources/guidance-for-managing-informal-trails
  • Around the Room
    • canoe trails!
    • property boundaries and parcel
    • alltrails working on a talk
    • if a tag is proposed - you can use it
    • DNR gis coordinator - promoted SOTMUS
    • UGIC - sent out an email to their list

February 8, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. Jake Low (OSM: jake-low)
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  4. Tony Cannistra, onX Maps
  5. Joel Schlagel, DOI & ACE
  6. Jared Anderson, Utah Divison of Outdoor Recreation
  7. TJ Broom, USFS

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meetings
    • feedback loop for comments to land managers about trails
    • improving instructions for next phase of tasks including name suggestion index
    • engaging new mappers
    • SUU meeting
  3. Utah Tasking
    • Project #447 - fully mapped / 10 tasks to validate
    • Project #451 - 6 of 24 to map / 24 to validate
    • Project #452 - 17 of 20 to map / 20 to validate
    • Workflow improvements
    • Timing for next tasks - Dixie drafted same as Bryce
  4. State of the Map US June 6-8
    • Speaker outreach / discussion / Keynote ideas (CFP ends 2/29)
    • What this group wants to put together - Panel?
    • Ticket & Sponsor outreach
  5. Around the Rooms
  6. Next Monday Meeting moved back 1 week to Feb 26

Notes (pls help co-create)

Issues with Current Tasking Workflow

  • imagery misaligned
  • difficult to find the trail you are looking for on the NPS site
  • size of task matter? based on trail segments
  • several sources of truth to check (incl. web pages and PDFs that require reading comprehension)

What can we do differently?

  • what data will we get from USFS? public clearing house data in oracle - linear ref on top of the network, motor use layer (also have an internal layer with diffent attributes); trail landing pages but its not connected to their clearing house data
  • pull that layer in - could it be an overlay in iD?
  • 5 min how to video to link to the task?
  • rest service for the USFS layer - how do we integrate an overlay layer? schema will be different than OSM (translation tricky due to management speak)
  • layers are available as raster in JOSM (advanced mapper needed)
  • Sources - a hurdle
  • Can we break down tasks into more bite sized pieces?
    • just check if its in the usfs db
    • join them
    • basic info
  • Revisit Phase Plan
    • Standard Tags: Name, Operator, Access, Informal
    • Start with Informal??
  • is there a unique ID from NPS or USFS to tie the trails together? USFS has two but TJ hasn't seen them in OSM - other agencies have them
  • how do you reconcile OTM with the source data?

OpenTrailMap - can show missing website tags via a color - one attribute at a time

Maplands - crosswalk schema (Diane was leading that conversation) - let's restart that conversation. Harmonizing roads & trails, sharing it in an easy way.

Next Steps we can take in the short time

  • make a short how-to video
  • do some outreach to Universities
  • review instructions for clarity

How can we leverage SOTMUS?

  • get local univeriites to join us (Ogden, yes pls!)
  • demonstrate TSI progress
  • community feedback sessions
  • workshops
  • panel with local gov / land managers to talk about challenges?
  • talk about impact of mapping - who is impacted? invite them to speak. weave the narrative from land manager to mapper (Larry Velarde USFS R4)
  • can we target app users to join us at the event?? e.g. TJ found us through Gaia
  • Mapping, App -

Future meeting - let's talk about how to ask LM's questions that come up when mapping in a task.

January 22, 2024 - Strategy & Outreach Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
  2. John Ribes
  3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
  4. Walt Daniels
  5. Tony Cannistra, onXmaps
  6. Ethan Magnuson
  7. Jeff Christenson, BLM
  8. Joe O'Brien
  9. Stephani Lyon, Zion Forever
  10. Jamie Hawk, Midpen
  11. Joel Schlagel
  12. Elisha Palmer, USFS
  13. Diane Fritz
  14. Jared Anderson, Utah DNR
  15. Patrick Donovan,Pima County
  16. Marissa Marshall
  17. Cy Smith, MA

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meeting/any updates
    • feedback loop for comments to land managers
    • improving instructions for next phase of tasks
    • feedback form added to tasks
    • Hike the Hill event
    • last meeting of this group was November 27
    • meeting with strava - they bought fatmap
  3. Utah Tasking
    • Task Stats
      • Project #447 - fully mapped / 10 tasks to validate
      • Project #451 - 8 of 24 to map / 24 to validate
      • Project #452 - 17 of 20 to map / 20 to validate
      • Update language: Join the mapping team here
    • Needs - mappers/validators - where can we outreach?
  4. State of the Map US - who do we want to get involved?
  5. Around the Rooms
  6. Next Monday Meeting - scheduled for Feb 19 - will people be off?
  7. OSM US SLack - trails channel https://slack.openstreetmap.us/

Notes

Improve / revise language to encourage participation
Where can we engage with new mappers? Any ideas welcome

  • local universities - Zion Forever can connect
  • leverage education working group
  • urisa GIS Corps

State of the Map US

  • WA government agencies might be interested
  • try to get it into mailing lists
  • geospatial technology center - Elisah
  • OnX sponsor?

Around the Room

  • Mapathon on Bryce at Mapping USA
  • think of activities to help educate mappers? what ideas do you have?
  • talking points to advocate for funding for the mapland act; Nsgic meeting end of March; 1 pagers/briefings
  • Demo trail mapping in a future meeting

January 11, 2024 - Tech Focus

Attendees

  1. Maggie Cawley
  2. Quincy Morgan
  3. John Ribes
  4. Mike Thompson
  5. Jake Low
  6. Elliott Plack
  7. Joe O'Brien
  8. Jared

Agenda

  1. Welcome & introductions
  2. Review of last meeting/any updates
    • Discussion on operator tags / name suggestion index (TBC today)
    • Submitted grant to Utah DNR for this work that incl an email of support from USFS Region 4
    • Verbal commitment from AllTrails - first contrib to the TS Fund
  3. Utah Tasking
    • Task Stats
    • Needs - mappers/validators
    • Workflow feedback form - any comments?
    • Next areas (in Priority Area 1)
      • Dixie NF set-up ongoing (met with USFS 12/11)
      • Cedar Breaks NM
      • BLM Pariah District - need support running buffer
  4. State of the Map US
    • Call for proposals - Great Outdoors theme - 2/29 deadline
    • TWG representation - Panel?
    • need for sponsors - esp rec space
  5. Discussion
  6. Around the Room
  7. Next Meeting Monday Jan 22 - Outreach/Strategy focus

Notes (please help co-create)

  • push out tasks to osm channels
  • share brown bag link with Jared
  • add survey link to bryce tasks
  • anyone want to help set up tasks? Elliott, Tony, Quincy, Mike (buffers, geometries)
    • let's provide better examples for new tasks (e.g. operator=NationalParkService)
  • USFS - includes non FS operated trails but those may not be in the system maps
  • hasn't been a simple way to define the workflow due to myriad of sources for trail data
  • can we use alltrails pictures as a mapping source? Yes. With an account.
  • Use of trail photos for on the ground info - document on the wiki as a workflow (John to double check with AllTrails) - any way to make it easier?
  • is there a way to ask questions of the land manager?
    • use the comment box in a task? Elliott will check it out. We can then send a group of questions to the land manager
  • https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Public_lands#National_Park_Service
  • Linear conflation tool? Hootenanny - tough to use - ideas for what we could build? Mike interested
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