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    # 0713 孔醫師 clubhouse 討論 & QA :::warning 此筆記僅為個人聽打紀錄,最終內容及詳細資訊還是以醫師發佈的 podcast 節目資訊為主。 ::: ***"()" 斜體括號內是備註或不確定的內容*** --- 1. Pauline:英國解封:政府沒有硬性規定防疫措施,都是自己決定。科學上ㄌ疫苗有發揮作用,估計致死率從0.8降到0.1,跟流感差不多。在夏季爆發比延後到冬季好。民眾的感想是利用暑假再看一下情形如何,類似去年冬天變種病毒出現的時候,政府利用這個時間觀察走向,民眾也有感受到。 1. 04b:上次記者會首相有說幾乎所有限制都要排掉,有說過不需出示證明才要辦活動,但這次縮回來,有說比如夜店有自我約束有陰性證明才能進入。 2. Pauline:健康部長對解封蠻直接的,一個角色強硬一個比較保守,但還是以首相為主。主要現在是放假期間,看不出來走向如何,通常是看假期結束,才會真正看得出情形怎樣,就是九月的時候。暑假期間英國還是在試試看的感覺,看解封會怎樣,也沒說解封是永久決定,還是有機會改變。 3. 04b:有四個test,但沒有完全通過,所以還是會嚴密監測,好像說會持續到明年初。假如最理想的情況是不用逐例通報,所以才說很抱歉還要一直檢查通報到明年初。 4. Pauline:學生現在放暑假,最後一天都帶了四五盒快篩,用這個方式收集數據和疫情走向。 2. ye bin:可以理解WHO不要加強針,考慮到的是全世界的範圍,現在也只有做出AZ跟輝瑞混打,除此之外就很少,實際上的混打太多各種各樣,如果隨便兩個都能混打,如果民眾對疫苗沒有信心會覺得是瞎搞,這個也行那個也行,另外也會擔心混打後不知道誰打了什麼,會不會打到三針以上。WHO反對的更加明確,以色列已經開始打了,美國反對也是他們很多人都還沒打,更加混亂,WHO更要反對這樣行為,歐洲國家又要買疫苗,其他地區非洲國家就不用打了。英國新增人口比例比美國更高,英國這麼堅決,照這個標準就不可能回頭,病例數增長這麼多也沒有要緩和的意思。美國也漲得很厲害,但這有不平均的問題,只能鼓勵地方要改也可以,如果比較厲害的州CDC會派人過去(04b:假設有些州疫苗沒打這麼多,delta又竄的很快,每週會不會有自己的NPI措施)疫苗打得少的NPI也做的少,美國沒有任何州是疫苗不夠,只是不想打,像德州疫苗充足都打NPI解除了,不是考慮疫苗接種到什麼程度,這些州要回NPI不可能,有回的是大城市,但特別嚴重的週除了中心城市有改變,。美國七天平均是兩萬,原本一萬。集中在中西部跟南部,疫苗接種率低的地方,就是30%。 3. 04b:陳秀熙老師:歐美打到一定程度口罩就丟掉解封,假如台灣戴得住口罩重視NPI,現在是希望大家打到一劑,覆蓋率到一定程度,一劑加上好的NPI,可能會達到接近兩劑的效果。至少我們口罩戴得住,疫苗再上來一點,也許比較可以解封的時間就越來越近。 4. 04b:預告明天:台灣有三種疫苗,再買到BNT之前大家都不想打AZ想打莫德納,現在有BNT又不想打莫德納,這是好主意嗎?美國真實世界的疫苗保護力,最新的資料,什麼樣的人該選什麼疫苗。 5. ye bin:莫德納試用1/4疫苗,可以節省疫苗,有國家想做也不是不行,美國這裡就放棄了,因為有突變株。歐美國家現在供應量都夠了,就沒想改這件事。莫德納的增強針也就作半劑量。 1. 04b:理論上兩種方式:原劑量,第二季延後10-12週。一半劑量,***(後面來不及打)*** 學理上後者較好。 2. ye bin:好像也沒太大問題,這些是最早期做的,沒有全劑量,要這樣糾結還可以比50有沒有比100更好,劑量差異還是很大,應該是人數問題,要多做劑量人數招募要很多。 3. 04b:AZ最早發表也有半劑量,是不是因為第一期第二期,決定劑量要經過很長過程,這次就批哩啪啦決定了。 4. ye bin:那時候沒這麼多時間做,打完要等兩個月看抗體反應,分得組越多,花的時間也越多,現在都打上了才在糾結哪個劑量好,但當時就是想要你趕快做出來。如果把時間拉長也會有區別,如果是流感疫苗可以考慮,選擇也多,現在的情況就先做出來就好了。 5. 04b:假如1/4劑量可行,現場就多了三倍疫苗,供應鏈變化很打擊,哪怕是一半也是多出五十,對全世界來說還是值得。 6. Dennis:劑量如果差太多,副作用會很高。 1. 04b:劑量的決定也很困難,通常是第一二期作的是,但這些臨床試驗計劃書,第二第三期寫在一起。AZ一開始想打一劑就算了,到第二期很後面才決定要給兩個dose,把其他人抓回來打第二劑。後面的資料才很奇怪,把人都抓回來打。 7. Dennis:一半劑量可以用免疫橋接嗎? 1. 04b:覺得可以,莫德納就是看免疫橋接 WHO資料都是公衛模型,不是科學證據,延長莫德納到8週12週,效力會不會下降,這期間也是有受到感染的風險。 ###### tags: `孔醫師`

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