# Podman Community Meeting
## October 7, 2025 11:00 a.m. Eastern (UTC-4)

Meeting ID: https://zoom-lfx.platform.linuxfoundation.org/meeting/97486138230?password=3144ae43-0fd5-457e-a495-bb4e0202e9c2
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### Attendees ( total)
Tom Sweeney, Mario Loriedo, Mark Russell, Tim deBoer, Kevin Clevenger, Lokesh Mandvekhar, Brent Baud, Matt Heon, Nicola Sella, Jan Rodak, Nalin Dahyabhai, Alex Guidi, Neil Smith, Paul Holzinger, Anders Bjorklund, Dan Walsh, Roberto Majadas, Shivang Raghuvanshi, Gerald Seidman

### Topics

1) [rmajadas+aesteve] oci-dev-binder-hook demo + discussion (https://github.com/telemaco/oci-dev-binder-hook)
2) [Anders] Running Podman containers in Apple Container VM (https://github.com/apple/container)
3) [Honza] Performance Analysis (podman build improvement) (https://github.com/containers/podman/pull/27059)

## Meeting Start: 11:03 a.m. EDT
### Video [Recording]()

## oci-dev-binder-hook demo + discussion -
### Roberto Majadas & Albert Dsteve
#### (: in the video) - 15

POC they have been working on oci-dev-binder-hook.
An oci-hook that inspects the udev database looing for the devices that you want to include in the container.
The hook can be configured using container annotations
podman run --anotation io.dev-binder.udev.seat=seat0 -it my-application:latest
We can let the dynamic device management to udev

Dan thinks it's a decent idea, but wonders if you can get into the mount namespace to make it more useful.

Matt thinks Giuseppe has been looking at this as a different runtime. He thinks it's a good idea, and we might be able to get to it through podman update.

It would be good to have udev be able to make devices available through the container.

Dan would like to see a command that udev could trigger inside of Podman. Dan thinks the current approach is good for start time, but more work needed to do this at runtime.

## Running Podman containers in Apple Container VM -
### Anders Bjorklund
#### (: in the video) - 33

Apple container, just announce in WWDC 2025. Written in Swift. Only in v0.5.0, and is similar to Kata, running a VM for each containers. Similar to WSL2 for Windows.

Current kernel: https://github.com/kata-containers/kata-containers/releases/tag/3.17.0

He tried to run Podman inside of the container itelf. It's a micro VM, he ran a Fedora VM and installed Podman.

systemd failed as vminitd was in charge, but we could potentally start stuff up in the background. It worked for a while, but then fell apart. Using Podman rmote, he was able to get systemd up and happy. He was able to get volumes up and running.

Best to run on macOS 26, but does work on macOS 15+. Bugs only on 26+.

His goal is to have it on parity with WSL2. (and Docker with Kata, on Linux)

Lima support: https://github.com/lima-vm/lima/discussions/3829

## Performance Analysis (podman build improvement) -
### Jan "Honza" Rodak
#### (: in the video) - 49

Lots of time used when trying to get to all the files in a directory when building.
Podman PR #27059

At the moment, it doesn't workon Hyper-v

Cut time with PR from 78 (Podman v5.4) to 10 seconds with his changes. Docker is sitting at 30 seconds.

Old Podman was taking all the files, putting them into a tar file, and then adding to the container via untar. That's where a lot of time was being used.

On Windows, due to the mounting system, it's not as much of an improvement. Only about about a 9 second improvment from 70 seconds to 61.

## Podman 6.0 update?
#### (:in the video) - 60

Updates in the GitHub in the repo. Also Quadlet API.

5.7 will be in mid November. Feature freeze next week and cutting RC1 in the next week to 10 days. When that happens, we will be moving main to Podman v6.0.

## Open Forum/Questions?
#### (: in the video) -

## Topics for Next Meeting

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## Next Meeting: Tuesday, December 2, 2025, 11:00 a.m. Eastern (UTC-5)
## Next Cabal Meeting: Tuesday, November 4, 2025, 11:00 a.m. Eastern (UTC-5)

### Meeting End: 12:00 p.m. Eastern (UTC-4)

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