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Project info: https://openstreetmap.us/our-work/trails/
Old meeting notes: [2024](https://hackmd.io/rycotL_wTLa5Uizfdqhp5g), [2023](https://hackmd.io/vAhjB7OfSAWUZRnKY5kVaA), [2022-2021](https://hackmd.io/PfPTCDuRT1aKnezR7rBKpA)
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### Come hang out with us on Slack!

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## Upcoming Meetings
December 22, 2025. 4pm ET / 1pm PT - CANCELLED
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## Next Meeting January 26, 2026. Mappy Holidays!

## November 24, 2025
### Attendees (please sign in)
1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
2. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
3. Tatyana Dimascio (USGS)
4. Shaun Kelly (Utah)
5. Derrick Nehrenberg
6. Roy Weil
7. Tim Bailey
8. Sean Stasio, SF Parks
9. Marcela, YouthMappers
10. Ricky Gease, Alaska DNR
11. Rob Savoye
12. Alex Ede, Alaska trails
13. Alyssa, OSM US
14. Charlotte Wolter

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. Remember to:
* Join the TWG private channel on [Slack](https://slack.openstreetmap.us/)
* Subscribe to quarterly [TWG updates](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/np/clients/openstreetmap/subscribe.jsp?subscription=29)
3. OSM US Updates
* Report back from FOSS4gNA presentation
* [Mapping USA 2026](https://openstreetmap.us/events/mapping-usa/2026/)
* The [Call for Proposals](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfw-g_wFKRtpuRarwOnaK7rB1p322f5dFeoY67Ou1SbQwRHwQ/viewform?usp=dialog) ends at 5:00 EST today!
* [Registration](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/np/clients/openstreetmap/eventRegistration.jsp?event=184&) is open and free
* SOTMUS 2026
* June 11-13 in Madison, Wisconsin (at the Madison Concourse Hotel)
* Call for Sponsors now open
* Email <[e-mail]>
* Check out the mini [sponsor prospectus](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS6MD2Nc4c0SQxboaaJF3IlbeP9jJ96N/view?usp=drive_link)
2. Fundraise for DTAP - any ideas or leads?
4. Around the Rooms
5. Meeting cadence 2026
6. Thanks for a great year!

### Notes (please help co-create)
- Around the rooms
- Rob: Currently mapping in Wyoming and fixing road reference numbers, but window for ground truthing is slowly closing
- Tom: Massachusett's funding for trails fell through, so it's back to the drawing board
- Tatyana: no updates
- Shaun: quiet in the Utah trails world
- Charlotte: try connecting with Bears Ears groups in Southern Utah - willing to share one pagers
- Rob: Bears Ears is well mapped, concern with trails to protected sites
- Maggie: Just because it's altered in OSM doesn't mean trail apps will update accordingly
- Derrick: set up pilot project with local BLM, Forest Service, and county to update OSM data, disrupted by government shutdown. Cooking with Mapillary and MapRoulette
- Roy: no updates. Do we include proposed trails on the map?
- Maggie: there is a tagged for proposed
- Tim: user story ["Fire Lines"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-NvY3Hj0k) gives an example of where trial building connects to public policy and wildfire resistance - a potential angle for funding
- Sean: Recently talked to someone at Apple about how they use crowdsourced info to map their trails. Trying to collect open source streetview data (like Detroit and DC)
- Marcela: no updates
- Ricky: tip to approach statewide administrator for RTP program for potential funding, but generally it's tight
- Alex: day-to-day work is cartography and updating state maps
- Charlotte: will do some outreach to the Bears Ears communities (we're happy to share materials!)
- Future meetings
- December meeting canceled
- Summer break in 2026
- Votes for monthly (Charlotte, Sean, Roy, Tom)
- What do you want to learn?
- Sean: Gaussian Splats in trails, has a friend using Portal Cam
- Roy: cartographic samples and templates for trails (or perhaps OSM rendering styles)
- Sean: discussion about social trails
- Tom: We should connect with YouthMappers on trail mapping

- **Thanks for joining us in 2025!** :smile:

## Monday October 27, 2025

### Attendees
1. John Ribes (AllTrails)
2. Walt Daniels (NYNJTC)
3. Alex Ernst (ID Dept. of Parks and Rec)
4. Roy Weil
5. John Ribes (AllTrails)
6. Winslow Robinson, PhD (Fable Forestry)
7. Rob Savoye (OSM Merge)
8. Peter Horgan (Outdoor Alliance)
9. Jake Low (OSM US)
10. Shaun Kelly (Utah)
11. Tim Bailey
12. Ricky (AK Dept of Outdoor Rec)
13. Joe (COTREX)

### Agenda
1. Introductions
2. Remember to:
1. Join the TWG private channel on [Slack](https://slack.openstreetmap.us/)
2. Subscribe to quarterly [TWG updates](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/np/clients/openstreetmap/subscribe.jsp?subscription=29)
3. OSM US Updates
1. Mapping USA 2026
* [Register](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/eventReg.jsp?event=184&) for free
2. [Call for Proposals](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfw-g_wFKRtpuRarwOnaK7rB1p322f5dFeoY67Ou1SbQwRHwQ/viewform?usp=sharing&ouid=103805020112213126056) closes on Nov. 24th
2. Next Mappy Hour: [Sidewalks Pt. 2](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/event.jsp?event=189&) on November 19th
6. [OSMGeoWeek](https://openstreetmap.us/events/osmgeoweek/) is November 17 to 22 - add your event to the globe
4. Ambassador Pilot status update
5. Around the rooms
1. Updates to share?
2. How is your work affected by the government shutdown?

### Notes (please help co-create)
- Shared links
- Winslow with Fable Forestry:
- https://fableforestry.com/
- https://www.naughtweed.com/casestudy
- Alex at IDPR
- https://trails.idaho.gov
- Roy Weil
- https://freewheelingeasy.com/freewheelingeasy-google-map/
- Tim Bailey
- https://projectgeospatial.org/geospatial-frontiers/the-phoenix-project-a-challenge-to-the-community-to-forge-an-open-source-successor-to-hifld
- Ambassador pilot updates
- Roy and Walt both have trail mapping training materials to share (thank you)
- Around the rooms
- John: AllTrails did a volunteer day with OSM US, highly recommend and shoutout to Jake!
- Roy: how often does AllTrails update their database?
- John: Trail segments, POIs updated once a month, boundaries updated about once a quarter
- Winslow: shared [these buttons](https://flic.io/#) Fable Forestry will be using to collect data in the field to track invasives
- Walt: where are you logging invasive species data?
- Winslow: Button press data -> Google sheet -> Mapbox
- Roy: Slowly improving OSM to then improve AllTrails and such
- Walt: They've run 2 training sessions for 15 total with a trail mapping cheatsheet and powerpoint. The Geocaching community has been especially involved
- Peter: Outdoor Alliance meeting with representatives in DC about shutdown and implementation of the EXPLORE Act (especially visitor use modelling and asset inventory within agencies)
- Joe: Promising conversations, but no updates yet
- Shaun: No updates
- Rob: Currently validating against Wyoming National Forest data, adding remote highway names and reference numbers along the way
- Alex: Rob has inspired him to merge Idaho trail data into OSM - someday! So far state authoritative trail data has been contributed to USGS data. BLM data poorly represented in Idaho in OSM.
- Rob has BLM trail data in Idaho, may be planning a trip to meet Alex in Boise...
- Alex: look into Murphy, ID OHV trails
- Ricky: Trying to partner with university in Alaska to model vistor statistics and use data at 5ft accuracy
- Tim: Shared article about OSM and Overture as a replacement for discontinued HIFLD dataset. Public data commons is important, such as invasive species mapping by Fable Forestry
- OSM US will be at FOSS4G NA next week, report back in our November meeting
- Next meeting is Nov. 24th, thumbs up to keep it scheduled as is

## Monday September 22, 2025

### Attendees (please sign in)
1. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
2. Jake Low, OSM US
3. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
4. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
5. Roy Weil
6. Rob Savoye, OSM Merge
7. Maggie Witmer, Wildlands Conservancy
8. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
9. Gary Greenberg, Alaska Map Company
10. Tim Bailey, CA/OR/WA
11. Sean Stasio, SF Parks
12. Jasmina Sekanovich, Nevada Div. Outdoor Rec
13. Greg Matthews, USGS
14. Derrick Nehrenberg

### Agenda
1. Welcome & introductions
2. OSM US Updates
1. Mapping USA is January 30 & 31 - stay tuned for registration and the Call for Proposals
2. NSDI pilot updates - NSGIC report back
3. ORR Tech Innovation Summit report back
4. Digital Trail Ambassador pilot
5. MapRoulette challenges
1. Ongoing: [Missing trailheads in US National Parks](https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/53110)
2. [Full list of projects](https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/56537)
3. Missing names to NPS trailheads, restrooms, and campgrounds now completed
7. AllTrails Day of service
3. Review [one pagers](https://www.canva.com/design/DAGx3BFNSNc/p95OpkUDaKk76pPxF-n8Hw/edit?utm_content=DAGx3BFNSNc&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton)
4. Around the rooms
5. Next Meeting

### Notes (please help co-create)
- Jake demo-ed how to contribute to the current MapRoulette challenges (linked above)
- Tom: these challenges don't need "boots on the ground" verification? Jake: No, the data is coming directly from NPS
- Additions to these challenges are being reviewed using [OSMCha](https://osmcha.org/), generally they have been very high quality
- Many recent contributions were made during a recent AllTrails day of service
- Gary: Do you catalog/use GPS data
- Jake: There are a few ways people use GPX tracks to improve OSM data, like recording GPX on their phone during field surveys, using the published Strave heatmap, etc.
- Roy: there is a source field for comments
- Reviewed ambassador program one pagers
- The shared docs are still drafts, but you can add comments
- Walt: NYNJTC recently had a training session for new mappers. 9 participants were unexpectedly geocachers
- Walt developed his own one pagers on how to tag things
- Sean: SF uses ESRI, can you bring data into Survey123 and related tools to confirm?
- Jake: There are a lot of OSM-centered applications people use for field mapping, not part of ESRI suite
- Rob: Lots of ESRI mobile tools use OSM as a basemap
- Gary: uses Fieldmaps to connect to Bluetooth receivers
- Rob: has been using [u-blox](https://www.u-blox.com/en) as a more accurate GPS than phone
- Sean: Bad Elf makes GPS GNSS units, the Flex mini ($500)
- Gary: field has been using the EOS Arrow 100
- Around the rooms
- Walt will share the one pagers he developed
- Gary: is it difficult to export OSM data to minimum federal standard for interoperability?
- Rob: has software to conflate federal spec -> OSM, can likely go the other direction. Flexibility in OSM can add complexity
- Jake: [OpenTrailMap](https://opentrailmap.us) lets you view OSM data
- Gary: Can you see how old the data is?
- Jake: On OpenTrailMap you can view metadata including when the trail was last edited, you can also color code based on when they were last touched
- Rob: Trails can also have a visibility tag
- Walt & Jake will connect offline to import polygons into OSM without hand-tracing
- Sean: How is OSM different than HikingProject and MountainProject
- Rob: They both use OSM
- Next meeting October 27

## Monday August 25, 2025

### Attendees
1. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
2. Jake Low, OSM US
3. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
4. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
5. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
6. Tim Bailey
7. Daniel Schep, OnX & MapRVA
8. Joe O'Brien, COTREX
9. Derrick
10. Maggie Witmer, Wildlands Conservancy
11. Mike Passo
12. Tatyana Dimascio, USGS
13. Rob Savoye
14. Roy Weil

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. July Recap
3. OSM US Updates
* NSDI Pilot update
* Digital Trail Ambassador pilot update
* MapRoulette challenges update
4. Discussion - how can we update the [OSM US trails page](https://openstreetmap.us/our-work/trails/) to help you?
5. Around the Rooms
6. Next meeting - presentation? topic?

### Notes
- OSM US Updates
- Maproulette projects (inc. [missing toilets in US National Parks](https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/52952), over 70% complete)
- Jake's been creating new tasks to get folks mapping trails/trail infrastructure
- If you have projects/data to turn into a task we can create one!
- [Our other projects](https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/56537)
- Derrick suggested campsites as a future POI to create a task around
- Daniel: Can Maproulette conflate this data which is what is already in OSM? Jake used a script from the Organic Maps repository called OSM Conflate (https://github.com/organicmaps/osm_conflate)
- Maggie: This task is focused on completing OSM based on the data NPS has
- If you're interested in Rob's tool to conflate line strings, see...
- [this blog post](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/11/welcome-osmmerge/)
- [this site](https://osmmerge.org/)
- [ths recording](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f1t7MxsgTM&t=8s) from Mapping USA 2025
- NSDI pilot update: working on a call for sponsors to try and get funding, still in motion
- Digital Trail Ambassador Pilot
- The first pilot group kick off was two weeks ago, with the next one after Labor Day
- Starting to put together initial educational resources, communication channels, etc. with this small group
- If you think of groups who may want to join this meeting we're always looking for input
- Mike: does the work right now include an interface for volunteers to gather data?
- Maggie: there are a lot of existing tools useful for different pieces of this process. We're hoping to see what volunteers and land managers need/what is missing in the current workflow
- Roy would love a tool that allows users to compare OSM trail data with another sources trail data
- Roy and Rob will connect on trail conflation
- Tim: how is source information shown, particularly when you are conflating data
- Roy: Is there a source field in OSM? Jake: Yes, it's a free text field
- Tim: OpenTrailMap is good for official trails, footprints of forest service roads could also be used by hikers and viewed as trial features
- when we had our schema discusions, how did we think about tagging where one has to hike on a road segment? legal purpose plus practical characteristics
- perfection of title issues / legality of use e.g. crossing a railroad; old trolley track; hard to find in many cases! could be tricky to use an open map for this
- Updating the [Trails Stewardship Initiative page](https://openstreetmap.us/our-work/trails/) on the OSM US website
- Add mapping tasks/make them more prominent
- Daniel: Lift information that has only been seen in presentations, like before/after visuals
- Derrick: Directory of tools that have already been developed, instructions via video tutorials? JOSM, MapRoulette, etc.
- Roy: trail conflation instructions/documentation, make it easier for trail orgs to display OSM trail data. Word press plugin!
- Jake wants to make this a feature of OpenTrailMap... pending funding
- Tim: Could American Trails act as an aggregator to get trail data into a standard format that is OSM-compatible?
- Mike: A trail data themed newsletter is going out September 15, open to sharing things we've been talking about
- Future presentations
- Tool demos
- Derrick offered demo on "pulling in federal agency data, strava, mapillary and id editor at a working group meeting at somepoint if that would be helpful."
- Roy's wordpress plugin?

## Monday July 28, 2025

### Attendees
1. Jake Low, OSM US
2. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
3. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
4. Alex Alma (MN)
5. TJ Broom, USFS
6. Cy Smith (MassGIS)
7. Maggie Witmer
8. Rob Savoye
9. John Ribes (AllTrails)
10. TJ Broom (USFS)
11. Larry Shoemaker (Reno NV / RSIC)
12. Mike Passo (American Trails)
13. Greg Matthews (USGS)
14. Joe O'Brien (COTREX)
15. John Miele (CG Trail Alliance)
16. Shaun Kelly

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. OSM US Updates
* State of the Map US retrospective
3. NSDI Pilot update?
4. Digital Trail Ambassador pilot update
5. MapRoulette challenges update
6. NV DOR update from Jasmina?
7. Around the Room

### Notes (please help co-create)
- NSDI Pilot is a project to model governance of national datasets (like trails) that are managed collaboratively by many stakeholders. Organized through OGC, call for sponsors from private sector will open soon. Part of the pilot would directly involve OSM US and the Trails Stewardship Initiative as a model for how these collaborations can be successful.
- boat ramps / boating infrastructure?

## Monday June 9, 2025

### Attendees
1. Jake Low, OSM US
2. Janette Rosenbaum, Muddy Branch Alliance
3. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
4. Alex Ernst, Idaho Dept of Parks & Recreation, Rec Bureau, trails.idaho.gov
5. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
6. TJ Broom, USFS
7. Ardath Dixon, CELT
8. Quincy Morgan
9. Maggie Whitmer, Wildlands Conservancy
10. Jasmina Sekanovich, Nevada Division of Outdoor Recreation
11. Rob Savoye
12. Shaun Kelly

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. OSM US Updates
* State of the Map US is next week. It's not too late to [register!](https://openstreetmap.us/events/state-of-the-map-us/2025/) ...and apply now (like today) for a [scholarship](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2025/05/sotmus-government-scholarship/)
* April Meeting recap - Muddy Branch presentation recording [up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojj0__mZJ14)
3. Presentation by Jasmina Sekanovich (NV DOR)
4. Discussion / Q&A
5. Around the Room

### Notes

- Nevada TrailFinder: nvtrailfinder.com
- A few other states have their own TrailFinder apps; TrailFinder is made by a small company called Community Geographics (https://www.communitygeo.com/)
- Rob Savoye's OSM Merge project now supports extending to other datasets besides USFS MVUM: https://osm-merge.github.io/osm-merge/extending/
- Ardath Dixon mentioned that Cape Elizabeth Land Trust (https://www.capelandtrust.org/) has a new [interactive map](https://celt.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=5a927038d4644e818bd0301398034b5c) on their website; an exciting milestone!
- Alex Ernst is working on trails.idaho.gov; an issue that has come up is whether the state can publish provisional revisions to USGS data (when state data contains more recent/accurate centerlines)

## Monday April 28, 2025

### Attendees (please sign in)
1. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
2. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
3. Janette Rosenbaum, Muddy Branch Alliance
4. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
5. Jake Low, OSM US
6. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
7. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
8. Jasmina Sekanovich, Nevada DOR
9. Shaun Kelly
10. Stephanie May, Cartographer at large
11. Greg Matthews, USGS
12. Rob Savoye, OSM Merge & Mapper Extraordinaire
13. Cy Smith, MassGIS
14. TJ Broom, USFS
15. Jim Ziemba, GIS manager Forest Preserve District of Cook County
16. John Ribes, AllTrails
17. Derrick Nehrenberg

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. March meeting recap
3. OSM US Updates
* Intl Trails Summit Recap
* State of the Map US in less than 2 months - [register!](https://openstreetmap.us/events/state-of-the-map-us/2025/)
* [OSM US Microgrants program](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2025/04/microgrants-announcement/)
* [Mapillary grant program](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2025/04/mapillary-grant-2.0/)
4. Presentation: Muddy Branch Alliance - Stephanie May & Janette Rosenbaum
5. Discussion
6. Around the Rooms
7. 2025 Schedule
* JUNE 9th (check your email this week for the change) NV DOR - Jasmina Sekanovich - internal data updating process & NV Trail Finder
* Date TBD: WA RCO - Nick Reinhardt

### Notes
- Presentaton from Stephanie and Janette - recording will be linked here later!
- [link to slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Crozp-qAE53np2MicuZx0GCyz6W9Tdtx6M-333cA6_w/edit#slide=id.g34fd0f835a9_0_3)
- [Muddy Branch Trail maps](https://muddybranch.org/maps/)
- Beginnings of the [new web map](https://mizmay.github.io/muddy_branch_maps/)
- Walt: Did you contact OSM mappers who supplied any of the pre-existing trail data?
- Stephanie posted in the OSM US Slack, mappers who already contributed data often did so years ago, or were mapping for a specific purpose (like mountain biking)
- Jake: Do you have any advice for making editing in OSM more intuitive?
- Janette: OSM wasn't loading very quickly, creating a relation was difficult
- Stephanie: used iD entirely, it's important to recognize your knowledge gaps and ask for help!
- Walt: Which GIS plugin for Wordpress did you use?
- Stephanie: no plugin!
- Alyssa: how did you communicate this project to trail volunteers?
- Janette & Stephanie: thinking about how to share knowledge for Janette's predecessor, deliberately set up this project to be very small-scale , might set up OSMCha to track future edits
- Around the rooms
- Rob: updated several thousand highways managed by the Forest Service in Utah, on to New Mexico!
- Jim: Figuring out how to manage the unauthorized trails within their jurisdiction (~100/200 extra miles)
- John: Alltrails just launched the [Stewards Fund](https://publiclands.alltrails.com/stewards-fund) - applications close June 30!
- No May meeting! Next meeting is June 9th

## March 24, 2025

### Attendees
1. John Ribes, AllTrails
2. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
3. Jake Low, OSM US
4. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
5. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
6. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
7. TJ Broom, USFS
8. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
9. Roy Weil, PA
10. Janette Rosenbaum, Muddy Branch
11. Stephanie May
12. Shaun Kelly
13. Maggie Witmer, Wildlands Conservancy
14. Rob Savoye
15. Jasmina Sekanovich
16. Juliette Gale, Mass. Dept. of Conservation and Rec
17. Ardath Dixon, CELT
18. Greg Matthews, USGS

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. Feb meeting recap
3. OSM US Updates
* NSDI Pilot
* Hike the Hill
* [Pedestrian Blog Post]((https://openstreetmap.us/news/2025/03/pedestrian-data-trends/))
* [SOTMUS poster session](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfm0m7GlN29JMNpIekyFKWcym6pCS3VEAswgWZRFQolflKSeA/viewform?usp=sharing)
* State of the Map BOF goals?
4. Walt's Proposal
5. Discussion - Common Data Challenges
6. Around the Rooms
7. 2025 Schedule
* Meetings: April 28, May 26 is Mem Day, June is right after SOTMUS - June 9th instead?
* Upcoming presentations:
* Muddy Branch Alliance - Stephanie May & Janette Rosenbaum - April 28
* NV DOR - Jasmina Sekanovich - June 9 - internal data updating process & NV Trail Finder
* WA RCO - Nick Reinhardt - date TBD

* Other ideas? Anyone want to present?

### Notes (please help co-create!)
- Walt's proposal
- Mapping to complete trail data in the NY/NJ area, following the steps of the prior TSI Utah Pilot
- Jake shared [this wiki page](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Trails) that gives best trail mapping practices
- Options to organize editing efforts are the OSM US Tasking Manager and MapRoulette, depending on what you need to map! Both are free to use/set up
- Stephanie offered to present current work with Janette & Muddy Branch at a future meeting, as the work is related
- Formula for supporting local ground truthing
- Common data challenges
- Common extraction tools for OSM data include
- slice.openstreetmap.us
- Geofabrik
- Overpass Turbo
- Stephanie showed in QGIS that she created a relation of all the trails (ways) and trailheads (nodes) in the Muddy Branch area, which made it much easier to extract using Overpass Turbo
- Roy: Would like a template where you can extract data by giving the name of the trail or trail system
- TJ: Wants a hosted feature layer that updates frequently in the ArcGIS catalogue
- Tom: A trails-speciifc template to follow when writing an Overpass Turbo query
- Rob: likes downloading Geofabrik pbfs and then using ogr2ogr to extract things with '-sql' for filtering
- Roy does not want to learn sql! (understandable)
- Around the rooms
- Ardath: echoed the fork in the road between mapping by hand and learning a programming language
- John: Don't miss AllTrails' talk at SotM US!
- Rob: has recently updated many remote highways national forests in Utah and Colorado. Go meet him in Utah next week for field mapping!
- Tom promoted [this MapRoulette challege](https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/50836) to update state parks that don't have websites!
- Future meetings
- May meeting - cancelled
- June meeting - now June 9

## February 24, 2025

### Attendees
1. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
3. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
4. Jake Low, OSM US
5. Janette Rosenbaum, Muddy Branch Alliance
6. Cy Smith, MA State GIO
7. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
8. Nick Reinhardt, Recreation and Conservation Office, WA State
9. Rob Savoye
10. Frankie Logan, Nevada Trail Finder
11. Jasmina Sekanovich, Nevada Division of Outdoor Rec
12. Shaun, Iron Co., UT
13. Magnus Tveit, Utah Division of Outdoor Rec
14. David McSpaden, Maryland
15. Roy Weil, Pennsylvania
16. Ardath Dixon, Cape Elizabeth Land Trust
17. John Miele, Cumberland Gap Trail Alliance
18. Jamey
19. Tony Cannistra

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. [TSI 2025 Roadmap](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hcgPD-_0ymQDJ9sLo9kqxofOzZ5zMmUQNQuoy10r5Do)
3. [Digital Trails Handbook](https://digitaltrails.us/) (WIP)
4. Github repo: https://github.com/osmus/digital-trails-handbook
5. Around the rooms
7. 2025 Schedule
* Upcoming presentations:
* WA RCO - Nick - March 24
* NV DOR - Jasmina - April 28?
* Other ideas? Anyone want to present?

### Notes (please help co-create!)
- Jake presented the 2025 roadmap, linked above
- Everyone is welcome to review the document and make suggestions in the Google Doc!
- Cy suggests a "portfolio management approach" for ongoing projects, so we can show how they connect (geographically, via tools used, etc.)
- There are existing tools!
- David supports a directory of experienced/qualified mappers
- Jasmina reached out for mapping support via the [OSM US Slack](https://slack.openstreetmap.us/)
- Quincy presented the Digital Trails Handbook - a work in progress
- Feedback is welcome after this meeting! The site has not yet been publicized
- Tony: How will people be able to add content to the site?
- There's a "propose a change" link at the bottom of each page, you can submit a pull request too
- You can view the Github Repo [here](https://github.com/osmus/digital-trails-handbook)
- Around the Room
- Rob has been mapping many many trails and highways in Colorado, moving to Utah next, using a tool called [OSM Merge](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/11/welcome-osmmerge/)
- David: goal is to mark trail as suitable for adaptive mountain bikes and trying out Mapillary to help folks assess terrain
- There's a #streetlevelimagery channel in the OSM US Slack, plus the Imagery Working Group!
- Derrick Nehrenberg is also interested in Mapillary imagery for trails, might be worth connecting
- Nick: working on the WA State Trails Database, to be presented to the TWG next month!
- John M: currently verifying and collecting info at state parks and giving that info back to land managers
- Can you map trail signsboards/guideposts? Yes!
- Tony sent the following helpful wiki pages: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dboard, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=information
- David: You can take a photo of the sign with your phone and make sure the geocoding is on
- Rob uses [ODK](https://getodk.org/) to collect that data
- Walt: your phone may not give you an accurate location (Rob: you can adjust as needed with satellite imagery)
- Roy: how to I take trail lines with corresponding data and put them into OSM? All the trails in Western PA - 3,000 miles
- Rob: any tags beyond name, surface, smoothness, width, may not be relevant in OSM. OSM Merge conflates this data so it can be edited, validated, and uploaded (an easier, but still complex process)
- Quincy: send the data to Jake or Quincy so we can collab on a potential pilot project?
- Rob is willing to help!

## January 27, 2025 - Mappy new year!
### Attendees (please sign in)
1. Walt Daniels, NYNJTC
2. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
4. Jake Low, OSM US
5. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
6. David McSpaden
7. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
8. Denise Tolness, BLM
9. Matt Martin, BLM
10. Haley Freeborn, CO P&W
11. Joe O'Brien, CO P&W
12. Clarke McNutt, AR State Parks
13. Cy Smith, MA State GIO
14. Jasmina Sekonovich, NV DOR
15. Mike Passo, American Trails
17. Stephanie May
18. Rob Savoye
19. Ardath Dixon, Cape Elizabeth Land Trust, ME
20. Roy Weil
21. Tony Cannistra, onXmaps
22. Nick Reinhardt, WA Rec. and Conservation
23. Ben Donatelle, WA RCO
24. Magnus Tveit, UT DOR
25. Jared Andrerson, UTAH DOR
26. Derrick Nehrenberg
27. Andy Jacobs
28. Dennis Byrd, BLM
29. Kelsey David, USFS

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. Review of December meeting - year in review of trails
3. News and updates
- Strategic Plan / Road map folks met
- Drafting Ambassador program plan to share with you all in the next meeting
- [State of the Map US 2025](https://openstreetmap.us/events/state-of-the-map-us/2025/) (June 19-21, Boston): Early bird tickets & scholarships end Friday & [Call for Proposals](https://sessionize.com/state-of-the-map-us-2025) extended to Feb 14
3. New Tasks to map! Jake demo of tasks in MapRoulette
- https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/56537
5. Around the rooms
6. 2025 Schedule
* Upcoming presentations:
* WA State - Nick - March 24
* NV State - Jasmina
* Other ideas? Anyone want to present?
7. Next meeting February 24 - more demos!

### Notes (please help co-create!)
- Ambassador Subcommittee interest:
- Walt Daniels
- Jake's MapRoulette demo (projects are linked above):
- MapRoulette is a platform for organizing OSM edits, where tasks can be created by querying for certain issues/missing data/etc. in OSM
- You can edit OSM directly in MapRoulette using embedded iD or JOSM!
- Jake shared a task called "State Parks without websites"
- Having the website link makes it easier for volunteer mappers to find park hours, seasonality, etc. etc.
- The other task shared was "missing USFS trailheads"
- This task is only available because the USFS makes this data public!
- Tony - COTREX is a great source for Colorado
- Reach out to Jake if you'd like to collab on a similar workflow! But there are other ways to edit the map too :)
- Questions:
- Tony: What if you want to participate in trailhead mapping but don't have JOSM? Jake: Using JOSM is the only way to contribute currently
- Clarke: How often would you need relevant data updated? Jake - it depends! But even a one-time or annual update can fill big gaps
- Jasmina: would there be interest in adding trail access points? Jake - it would likely be tagged as a sort of "unofficial trailhead" in OSM, but can definitely be added to the map
- Walt: How do you get to MapRoulette? maproulette.org!
- Around the rooms
- David: can you limit who can see a task? Yes! Both in MapRoulette and Tasking Manager, another popular platform
- Joe: feel free to reach out if you are interested in avalanche data through CAIC
- Jasmina: Reaching out to Jake about comparing NV's data with OSM to possibly create MapRoulette tasks
- Mike:
- Is there a need for a public campaign to get new/more folks involved? Jake - Yes! These are both nationwide projects, and a chance to connect with trail advocates/groups outside of the mapping nerd world
- Is there data flow between OSM and these state-specific datasets?
- The [International Trails Summit](https://www.trails-summit.org/) is in Madison, WI this April!
- Rob via the chat: Hopefully updates to OSM in CO make it into COTREX, cause I've made many updates lately
- Rob's been making good use of OSM Merge and doing lots of mapping!
- Ardath: how do I upload a shapefile into OSM?
- Jake - Recommends JOSM, you can copy paste lines from the shapefile and adjust/add attributes accordingly. Built-in validation tools too.
- A lot of trails are hand-drawn in OSM
- JOSM demo coming soon!
- Nick: Wants to help with Washington State data, and presenting in March
- Derrick: Has been trying to create MapRoulette tasks with Mapillary imagery and running into roadblocks, a potential presentation?
- Andy: is there a one-pager about OSM? Try [this webpage](https://openstreetmap.us/our-work/trails/)
- Kelsey: Some standards for MapLand have been finalized, but one of two dept. approvals is pending
- Next meeting:
- Presenting a draft of the ambassadors program
- Another demo about editing trail data (JOSM?)

## December 16, 2024 - End of year wrap
### Attendees
1. Walt Daniels NYNJTC
2. Maggie Cawley, OSM US
3. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
4. Diane Fritz OSM US board
5. Jake Low, OSM US
6. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
7. Tom Mueller, MassGIS
8. John Miele, Cumberland Gap Trail Alliance
9. John Ribes, AllTrails Public Lands Program
10. Chris B, NPS
11. David McSpaden
12. Rob Savoye
13. Derrick Nehrenberg
14. Mike Passo, American Trails
15. Jen Carlino, NPS
16. Christie McDonald, NPS
17. Will, Corps of Engineers

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. News and updates
- Strategic Plan / Road map folks met
- Drafting Ambassador program plan to share with you all in the new year
- [American Trails Webinar: "OpenStreetMap Trail Mapping for Responsible Recreation"](https://www.americantrails.org/training/openstreetmap-trail-mapping-for-responsible-recreation) - Dec 19
- [State of the Map US 2025](https://openstreetmap.us/events/state-of-the-map-us/2025/) (June 19-21, Boston): Early bird tickets, scholarships & [Call for Proposals](https://sessionize.com/state-of-the-map-us-2025) are open until the end of January
- Registration is open for our free virtual conference, [Mapping USA](https://openstreetmap.us/events/mapping-usa/2025/) (January 24-25)
- Take the OpenStreetMap US [Community Survey](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/survey.jsp?surveyId=15& )!
- Trails Update [Blog Post](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/12/tsi-utah-update/)
- PD Map update [blog post](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/12/pdmap-update/)
- [Slice as community project](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/12/welcome-sliceosm/)
- Mapping USA - anyone want to do a 6 min update from the wg?
* Christie?
3. Around the room - State of the trails
* challenges, wins - anything you'd like to share about what you're seeing in your part of the ecosystem
4. 2025 Schedule
* Moving to 1 main meeting per month. 1st Thursday or 3rd Monday of the month?
* 4pm EST still ok?
5. Thank you for an awesome year!

### Notes
* Year-in-review
* John R: More land managers know what OSM is, especially in the past 6 months. More knowledge about TSI work too
* Diane: How do people find out? Word of mouth amongst colleagues, American Trails webinars, webinars amongst land managers
* Mike agrees, but still sees confusion and states doing their own thing (e.g. Colorado, soon Arizona)
* Intl trails conference in April - round table?
* John M: How do we get this uniform information out there once it's collected?
* Derrick: Still sees people developing their independent resources, when a shared resources already exists (different approaches between counties, states, BLM, USFS, etc)
* Maggie: has there been a reduction in complaints about incorrect data?
* John R: Generally less incidents tied to a specific app, more user error. Still getting complaints. Are people more knowledgable, or less going out on trails?
* Dave: Maryland is choosing their own path to have ownership over data, also sees disagreement about including social trails
* Where do states get funding for the RFPs?
* Dept. of Natural Resources (Derrick: their attitude is informed by conservation - more trails = bad), other agencies
* Jake: More discussion globally about how to tag trails, more willing to disrupt the status quo in order to find the best path forward – more volunteers are invested
* Maggie: the momentum hasn't slowed down!
* Walt: is there a national meeting of state/federal mapping depts? NSGIC
* Rob volunteered!
* Rob: urban trail mappers have different definitions and ideas than rural trail mappers, wants to do the best for the community
* Maggie: biggest opportunity for 2025?
* National Trails Summit
* Quincy: making 2024 ideas come to life, making them more robust (OpenTrailMap, for example)
* Mike: using AI to find/update trails
* Rob found at HOT that experienced mappers do better work, a lot of time is spent cleaning up mistakes
* Jake: there may be opportunities to make mapping tasks easier/faster for humans (like manually reading an NPS webpage to get info about trail designation)
* Rob: it also takes more time than expected to train the models
* Derrick: forming a strong roadmap with the steering committee
* John M: bringing data from OSM to authoritative datasets, facilitating hikers, land managers, etc. to give knowledge for a mapper to put into OSM
* Christie: bringing OSM data in is a matter of licensing first, there is a process to validate data within NPS
* Schedule:
* Thursdays may conflict with Education Working Group
* Thursday is also a smaller group typically
* We're going with third Mondays!
* New Zoom link too!
* End of year recap email will go out soon

## December 5, 2024 Tech Focus

### Attendees (please sign in)
1. Jake Low, OSM US
2. Alyssa Castronuovo, OSM US
3. Quincy Morgan, OSM US
4. Diane Fritz, OSM US board
1. Tony Cannistra, OnX Maps
2. John Ribes, AllTrails
3. Elizabeth McCartney, USGS
4. Joe O'Brien, Colorado Parks & Wildlife (COTREX App)
5. TJ Broom, USFS

### Agenda
1. Welcome & Intros
2. News and updates
- [State of the Map US 2025](https://openstreetmap.us/events/state-of-the-map-us/2025/) (June 19-21, Boston): Early bird tickets are on sale now, and the [Call for Proposals](https://sessionize.com/state-of-the-map-us-2025) are open until the end of January
- Registration is open for our free virtual conference, [Mapping USA](https://openstreetmap.us/events/mapping-usa/2025/) (January 24-25)
- Take the OpenStreetMap US [Community Survey](https://openstreetmap.app.neoncrm.com/survey.jsp?surveyId=15& )!
- We recently welcomed a new community project: [OSM Merge](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/11/welcome-osmmerge/), a conflation tool for rural road/trail data
3. PDMap updates
4. Around the room

### Notes

- PDMap update [blog post](https://openstreetmap.us/news/2024/12/pdmap-update/) now on openstreetmap.us
- Project managers can now create multiple instances, better integration within Tasking Manager and with other OSM tools
- Trail cleanup can be done in PD Map and conflate with OSM if needed
- Elizabeth: what projects would you like to work on with PD Map?
- Quincy's wishlist: ability to create new instances within the TM, make it easier to drop existing data into PD Map, but features are based on user input!
- Elizabeth: States need help updating and validating (Missouri, or states without GIS staff), conflating their data into PD Map & OSM
- Quincy: ability to do this conflation easily & with existing OSM tools
- Jake: PD Map integration with other OSM tools like OSMCha or MapRoulette
- TJ: data exporter on the agency side, show how other agencies have implemented the workflow. Missing an illustration/demo of how this works over time.
- Quincy: if you have the right tooling there are many ways to get data out of OSM, but this can get complicated
- an additional barrier is crosswalking to OSM, and then back into the agency's data format
- TJ: showing value partially means illustrating this workflow
- It will look different for each agency/state/etc.
- Jake: crosswalking some data is easier than others, we've done this with buildings for a PD Map project
- Around the rooms:
- Quincy has started a [discussion](https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/hiking-route-network-tagging/122579) on the community forum for network tags in regards to trails