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# Panel Discussion- Open Source Education - Wei-Fen Lin (林偉棻), 洪士灝, jserv (黃敬群) ###### tags: `COSCUP2020` `入門` `TR309` {%hackmd 7CD4pdKQTa2p6Y3VqH3VrQ %} ## Agenda * 每位老師自我介紹(5 mins) * 每位老師聊聊open source 對於自己學習與教學的經驗(每人5min) * Q &A sections (一題討論10min) - open source education 的好處與最大意義為何? - open source education 面臨最大的困難跟挑戰是什麼 - 對於open source 用於education 的願景有什麼想法 * 現場觀眾Q &A (10 mins) --- ## jserv > [Wikipedia 條目](https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E9%BB%83%E6%95%AC%E7%BE%A4) - [ ] 在 COSCUP 2015 [宣布封麥](https://blog.coscup.org/2015/07/2015-coscup.html),轉型當[網紅](https://www.facebook.com/JservFans/) (大誤) > 一個能夠連續 10 年在 COSCUP 分享心得的講者,決定在「封麥」前,簡短回顧台灣開放原始碼生態圈的轉變,以及台灣人在國際開放原始碼專案的投入狀況。 - [ ] COSCUP 2013 演講 [中輟生談教育: 完全用開放原始碼軟體進行 嵌入式系統教學](https://www.slideshare.net/jserv/education-usingopensource) > 趁本次座談回顧執行成果 - [ ] 和開放原始碼相關的課程 - 「[進階電腦系統理論與實作](/sysprog/schedule)」課程 (成功大學; 2016-2020) - 「[計算機結構](/arch/schedule)」課程 (成功大學; 2019-2020) - 「[Linux 核心設計](http://wiki.csie.ncku.edu.tw/linux/schedule)」 (成功大學; 2019-2020) - 「[Linux 核心設計](https://beta.hackfoldr.org/linux)」系列講座 (線上) - 「[手機裡的 ARM 處理器](https://beta.hackfoldr.org/arm)」系列講座 (線上) - 「[現代處理器設計](https://beta.hackfoldr.org/cpu)」系列講座 (線上) - 「[你所不知道的 C 語言](https://hackmd.io/@sysprog/c-prog/)」系列講座 (線上) - 「[作業系統概念和文藝復興](https://beta.hackfoldr.org/oscar)」系列講座 (線上) - 「[進階嵌入式系統開發與實作](/embedded/schedule)」、「[嵌入式作業系統設計與實作](/embedded/schedule)」課程 (成功大學; 2012-2016) (中正大學; 2013) - 「[自由開源軟體與專案協作](https://sites.google.com/site/fossapc/)」課程 (交通大學; 2014-2017) - 「[物聯網概論](https://hackmd.io/c/rJzclA2q-)」課程 (交通大學; 2017) - 「[Android Virtual Machines and Compilers](https://sites.google.com/site/ntuandroid2014/)」課程 (台灣大學; 2014) ![](https://i.imgur.com/aqqW6gs.png) - [ ] 使用開放原始碼成果之餘,我們也嘗試貢獻程式碼 * Apple 執行長 Tim Cook 在 6 月 22 日 WWDC 正式發表自主研發的 Arm 架構處理器 Apple Silicon,取代 Intel 晶片作為 Mac 電腦的處理器,象徵「Mac 歷史性的一天」,在 ["Platforms State of the Union" 錄影](https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/102/)的時間軸 20:23 提及運用現有開放原始碼專案可加速移轉到 Apple Silicon,其中就包含我們所維護的 [sse2neon 專案](https://github.com/DLTcollab/sse2neon): (除了 Apple,最近我們也收到 Google 及 Amazon 提交的貢獻) > We are also passionate about making sure that open-source projects thrive on the Mac, especially if they benefit the larger software-developer community and can help accelerating the port of other software packages. So we have already done the initial work for some of the more widely used open-source projects to help the community get started, and we will be publishing patches to them in the next days. --- ## Q &A sections ### Q1: open source education 的好處與最大意義為何? jserv: * 用開源在教育上,最大的受益者是自己,總會引用到一堆過去的東西 * 讓學生知道吃果子拜樹頭/改善源頭。學生也為 linux kernel 做出貢獻:雖然才改三個字,但已經拉開與其他人的距離 * 與其他的開發者有共同的語言。 洪士灝: > 「站在開源巨人的肩膀上」 [name=洪士灝] * 越早開始學習,能學到越多東西。先求有,再求好。從實作中學習。 * 透過大量閱讀source code增加實力 林偉棻: * 對企業來說,有做過 open source project 是利多 * 一部分代表著那個人願意看別人的 code,這是很多 rd 不愛做的事 --- ### Q2: open source education 面臨最大的困難跟挑戰是什麼 jserv: * 有些時候,運氣也是很重要的。 * LXDE 的開發小故事 * jserv 因為鍵盤關係不想換新電腦,但 linux 在舊電腦跑很慢只好自己修、pcman 沒空買新電腦只好自己刻一套桌面環境 LXDE。意外被 Raspberry Pi Foundation 採納作為預設的桌面系統,於是 LXDE 從一開始兩個使用者,衝上超過四千萬人次使用者、世界第四大的自由軟體桌面系統環境 * 台灣教育環境的困境 * 過於短線投資導向:即如果不能「現學現賣」,就覺得授課教師沒教好、課程沒用 > 太多難以複製的經驗,所以有打群架的必要 [name=jserv] 林偉棻: * 高手與入門者的差距;新專案入門往往沒有參考文件。 * 軟體/硬體專業人員專注方向不同。 > 怎麼看待 open source 這件事? 當你把他想成是好事就是好事。 [name=林偉棻] --- ### Q3: 對於open source 用於education 的願景有什麼想法 洪士灝: > 「開源這件事情,應該重質不重量。」 [name=洪士灝] 有從業界著手的需要 林偉棻: * 推動open source 教育,開發專案經驗的傳承。 * 台灣工程人才不輸給矽谷,但單打獨鬥缺團隊合作跟遠見。 ## 現場觀眾 Q & A Q: 是否能用 source code 去溝通? 現況純用 source code 溝通很困難,過去開放原始碼界充滿了 hacker 對彼此的背景知識有共識,現在領域太過複雜多元,背景知識基礎常常不一。 這是反過來的,我不建議用 source code 去溝通

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