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    # 2021-10-06 conda-forge core meeting **** [last weeks meeting](https://hackmd.io/BWH1Su-pSSG3gAqmWQXiCQ) [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://arewemeetingyet.com/UTC/2020-08-26/17:00/w/Conda-forge%20dev%20meeting#eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2hhY2ttZC5pby9wUk15dFVKV1FmU3NJM2xvMGlqQzJRP2VkaXQifQ==) Meeting info: * To join the video meeting, click this link: https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09 > [We may want to update these for Zoom. Not sure how to do that] * Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 347-384-8597 and enter this PIN: 828 997 153# * To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/ijv-qsvm-tvn?hs=5 ## Attendees ## Agenda ### Standing items * [x] intros for new folks on the call * [x] (FF) budget * current approvals? * Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget. * Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt) * [x] open votes * none ### From previous meeting(s) * [x] (IF) Python 3.10 * conda issue - https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/10969 * How to allow older conda users to fail? 1. Let them find out 2. Add a `__conda` virtual package and let `python=3.10` package depend on `__conda>=4.10.3` 3. symbolic link `lib/python3.1` -> `lib/python3.10` * TODO New python build that does the symlink (option #3 above) * Py3.10-related fixes will be rolled into next conda minor release * [x] (CJ via MRB) more reproducible builds? * CJ: thinks its pretty close * motivated by this blog post: https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2021/09/whats-in-a-package/ * embed azure build log into the package * embed which build system * git hash of feedstock? * turn off force push to feedstocks * need a way to force the build/host/test envs to be the same * (IF): see https://github.com/conda/conda-build/issues/2140 * Possible TODOs * store source for builds somewhere * store logs for builds somewhere, possibly keyed on package name? * And parts of the info.json -- sometimes we have the same filename for different builds * store conda-locks of the build/host/test environments * Notes * transparency vs repeatability vs reproducibility * Provenance != reproducibility * (Eric) transparency+repeatability > reproducibility ### Your __new__() agenda items * [ ] (WV) motivated by conversations on gitter: use more mamba in conda-forge * add `mamba install ...` to feedstock readme * allow uploads from `mambabuild` * road to boa recipes? * TODO * PR to conda-smithy to add a couple of flags to allow users to enable mamba debug and mamba build&upload * [ ] (CB) NumFocus amendment * [ ] (IF) aarch64 builds * cloud.drone.io is slow * We have $3000 credits from Oracle for a year * Enough for 8 runners with 4 vCPUs and 24 GB for a year * options 1. host our own drone server/runners 2. host our own azure agents 3. cross compile - test using qemu - pypy builds 4. emulate ### Pushed to next meeting ### Active votes ### CFEPs * [cfep-12](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/23) Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package * Stalled since May 26, 2020 * Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel * Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11 * What were the results of the vote? * Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded ### TODOs 2021-09-22 * (MRB) update on travis stuff * [ ] TODO: Write blog post for transparency reasons. Need a champion for this one (Matt can at end of october) * (MRB) master to main move (https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1162) * everything done except feedstocks, releases, conda-smithy, and our github actions * releases is broken, opened an issue with github * some options for feedstocks * make sure to change the upload on branch key * [x] (MRB) make an announcement on how to update local clones (moved to the issue above) * [x] (MRB) make sure to update upload_on_branch (moved to the issue above) 2020-11-18 * [ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI * todo * [ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt * [ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich * [ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers * [ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI * [x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith) * [ ] (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status * [ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus * Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc. 2020-11-11 * TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers 2020-11-03 * TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core * [x] (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD. * Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds. 2020-10-28 2020-10-21 * [ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration * ( ) [ ] make a hint * ( ) [ ] make an announcement * ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint 2020-10-07 * [ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one) 2020-09-09 * [ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass) * [ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml * [ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access 2020-08-26 **Docker hub** * [ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation. * [ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status * [ ] Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23 **OVH** * [ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?) * [ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes * [ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker * [ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.) * [ ] Jonathan will review this [PR](https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/7) * [ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group * [ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback * [ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward * [ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot * [ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering * Will try and get this scheduled in the next month. * [ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files. * [ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in? * [ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves? * [ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support * [ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today * [ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks * [ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team) * https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954 * [ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like: * who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure * who's the POC for the various subteams? * Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc. * Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other? * opt-in to public bios * software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors * some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date" * [ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge * [ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff * [ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them * [x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18 * [x] We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18

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