# 2021-10-06 conda-forge core meeting

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## Attendees

## Agenda

### Standing items

* [x] intros for new folks on the call

* [x] (FF) budget
* current approvals?
* Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
* Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)

* [x] open votes
* none

### From previous meeting(s)

* [x] (IF) Python 3.10
* conda issue - https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/10969
* How to allow older conda users to fail?
1. Let them find out
2. Add a `__conda` virtual package and let
`python=3.10` package depend on `__conda>=4.10.3`
3. symbolic link `lib/python3.1` -> `lib/python3.10`
* TODO New python build that does the symlink (option #3 above)
* Py3.10-related fixes will be rolled into next conda minor release

* [x] (CJ via MRB) more reproducible builds?
* CJ: thinks its pretty close
* motivated by this blog post: https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2021/09/whats-in-a-package/
* embed azure build log into the package
* embed which build system
* git hash of feedstock?
* turn off force push to feedstocks
* need a way to force the build/host/test envs to be the same
* (IF): see https://github.com/conda/conda-build/issues/2140
* Possible TODOs
* store source for builds somewhere
* store logs for builds somewhere, possibly keyed on package name?
* And parts of the info.json -- sometimes we have the same filename for different builds
* store conda-locks of the build/host/test environments
* Notes
* transparency vs repeatability vs reproducibility
* Provenance != reproducibility
* (Eric) transparency+repeatability > reproducibility

### Your __new__() agenda items

* [ ] (WV) motivated by conversations on gitter: use more mamba in conda-forge
* add `mamba install ...` to feedstock readme
* allow uploads from `mambabuild`
* road to boa recipes?
* TODO
* PR to conda-smithy to add a couple of flags to allow users to enable mamba debug and mamba build&upload

* [ ] (CB) NumFocus amendment

* [ ] (IF) aarch64 builds
* cloud.drone.io is slow
* We have $3000 credits from Oracle for a year
* Enough for 8 runners with 4 vCPUs and 24 GB for a
year
* options
1. host our own drone server/runners
2. host our own azure agents
3. cross compile
- test using qemu
- pypy builds
4. emulate

### Pushed to next meeting

### Active votes

### CFEPs

* [cfep-12](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/23) Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
* Stalled since May 26, 2020
* Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
* Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
* What were the results of the vote?
* Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded

### TODOs
2021-09-22

* (MRB) update on travis stuff
* [ ] TODO: Write blog post for transparency reasons. Need a champion for this one (Matt can at end of october)

* (MRB) master to main move (https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1162)
* everything done except feedstocks, releases, conda-smithy, and our github actions
* releases is broken, opened an issue with github
* some options for feedstocks
* make sure to change the upload on branch key
* [x] (MRB) make an announcement on how to update local clones (moved to the issue above)
* [x] (MRB) make sure to update upload_on_branch (moved to the issue above)

2020-11-18
* [ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
* todo
* [ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
* [ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
* [ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
* [ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
* [x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
* [ ] (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
* [ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
* Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.

2020-11-11
* TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers

2020-11-03
* TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
* [x] (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
* Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.

2020-10-28
2020-10-21
* [ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
* ( ) [ ] make a hint
* ( ) [ ] make an announcement
* ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint

2020-10-07
* [ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)

2020-09-09
* [ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
* [ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml
* [ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access

2020-08-26
**Docker hub**
* [ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
* [ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
* [ ] Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23

**OVH**
* [ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)

* [ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes

* [ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker
* [ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.)
* [ ] Jonathan will review this [PR](https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/7)

* [ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group
* [ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback
* [ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward
* [ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot
* [ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering
* Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.
* [ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.
* [ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?
* [ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?
* [ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support
* [ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today
* [ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks
* [ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)
* https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954
* [ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:
* who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
* who's the POC for the various subteams?
* Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc.
* Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
* opt-in to public bios
* software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
* some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date"
* [ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge
* [ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff
* [ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them
* [x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
* [x] We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18