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    --- tags: 2021-organize, 2021-data, data team, data strategy --- # Data Team: 堅持還是轉型? **共識:前三 months (data infra) 後九 (growth)** ## Prerequisites 想拜託大家這 4 篇在與會前都看過,不然不易取得共識XD 想拜託大家這 4 篇在與會前都看過,不然不易取得共識XD 想拜託大家這 4 篇在與會前都看過,不然不易取得共識XD > [name=Wei Lee] 可是這裡有三篇 🤔 (david: 感謝,我又更新了一篇XD) 1. 每間公司的 data team 架構都略有不同:https://blog.getdbt.com/data-team-structure-examples/ - [name=Wei] 我最近有稍微在玩 dbt 耶xD 2. 每個 Data 相關的 function,其職責是是什麼? https://www.sisense.com/blog/the-6-functions-of-a-data-team/ 3. Growth Team 的職責:https://andrewchen.co/how-to-build-a-growth-team/ 4. MarTech: https://www.awoo.com.tw/blog/2020-martech-edm-tigerfly/ ## Agenda 1. 六頂思考帽:https://hackmd.io/xp8vq_LdR4WKAukQPZLtGw?view#%E7%95%B6%E5%A4%A9%E9%96%8B%E6%9C%83%E6%B5%81%E7%A8%8B 2. 用 six thinking hat 的流程走過下列三個問題的每個提案 ## 問題清單:能麻煩大家把想到的問題都列下來嗎?我們再來整理成下次會議的 Agenda~ 1. 目前的團隊願景和 Q4 的 OKR 是否衝突? - [name=stacy] Growth Team 跟 Data Team 的目標不衝突,沒有 SEO 帶來的資料就沒辦法產出 dashboard 給其他人做 data-driven (Tai, Wei +1) - [name=tai] 認同 Stacy 觀點 (refer to sisense 那篇文章,把 growth 視為 data team 的一部分) - [name=Wei] 回朔到 data warehouse 的話題,data warehouse 可能只是達到 data driven 的手段,所以不一定衝突 - [name=David Jr] 覺得在 priority 上是衝突,因為目前已經有資料了,需要優先驗證的是目前的資料是否足夠讓其他 function 做決策。組成 Data-Driven 的兩個要素: - 有資料 - 有 dashboard 輔助決策 3. 個人目標 v.s 組織利益的 priority 誰優先? - [name=Wei] 在符合組織利益的情況下,尋求個人目標的最大值(聽起來也許是偏組織?)(David Jr 應該是 +1,我猜唯一不同的點是這件事情需不需要有價值) - [name=David Jr] 在不危害組織的利益下,做自己想做的事情 - [name=tai] 我好像稍微偏向 David Jr 的觀點一點 - [name=Max] 同意 David Jr 的觀點多一點 4. 每個人 OKR 適合存在於 data team 嗎?是否有其他 function 適合所有人的 OKR?抑或各自適合的 function 難以整合? - [name=David Jr] 不適合,Growth Team 比較適合。SEO 不是 data team 的業務,有聽過 growth team 在負責(請參考上面的 ref);Chatbot 像是 ML engineer 的業務;Airflow 則屬於 data engineering 的事。 5. 小結個人立場 - [name=tai] 刷完四篇文章後,我初步對方向的看法是 - 團隊名字叫做原本的 "data & strategy" 或是換名稱成為 "growth" 都很好,根據這幾篇文章,這兩個名字也都有人用。 - 團隊重新命名(與決定側重 data infra 還是 growth) - 如果用原本的名字 "data & strategy" squad 下面每個人的角色可能就要 by function 大致講好,例如誰做 growth 誰做 data infra 誰是 DA - 如果用 "growth",我會想知道 data infrat 會誰來做?還是併入 infra team?? - 在交出第一個 milestone 的成果前,除非組織運作明顯有重大瑕疵,原則上我稍微傾向不 re-org。有一些成果的前提下 review 才有機會更具體 --> 定義成果(每季 OKR?) - 也可以更 long-running 一點,像是早期(也許就要個一年)維持使用 "data & strategy" 的架構, data infra 運作到某個程度之後,再把 growth 獨立出來,然後 data infra 併入 infra - 另一個觀點是因為還在籌備相對前期(大概跑了一季,用掉一年的 1/4),re-org 也許成本低,如果主席覺得付出的成本遠小於收益的話,也能採取現在立刻馬上 re-org。只是如果要採取這個方案,re-org 可能要兩週內發生比較好?這樣還有一季可以 dry-run;已經用掉一年的 1/4 是個說多不多、說少不少的量。 - 至少要有兩季來維護與執行 annual conf 本身。 # by 6 hats 六頂思考帽原則下大家的意見發言記錄 1. 代表「思考管理」的藍帽:安排思考順序 - 「白帽先行、黃在黑前、黑後有綠」 1. 代表「資訊」的白帽:充分蒐集各種數據、資訊 - [name=tai] - 很多公司行號與團隊都正在 data & strategy 與 growth 哪個為重心間搖擺 - 我們這種架構(data 下有人想做 growth)也有公司使用 - 我們的 data 下有人想做 growth - 也有想做 growth 的人想做 data infra,反之亦然 - [name=stacy] - PyCon TW 籌備團隊內每個 team 或多或少都會(或是都可以)用到 data - [name=davidJr] - SEO 歸類在 growth 下 - 有人 growth 獨立出去 - e.g. linkedin - 啊我漏掉了 [name=tai] - [name=wei] - ETL 有人正在實做、也會用到 - SEO 有人正在實做、也會用到 - chat bot is depening on its usage,if 有,也算是蒐集資料(但是不是最好的手段則可以再討論) - [name=max] - discord 機器人正在運作中 - 如果數據量更多一點可以對大家在洞察上有幫助(目前 PyCon TW Search Console 的數據跟其他手上的專案比起來約是萬分之一) 1. 代表「感覺」的紅帽:用情緒感受 - [name=tai] 不衝突:團隊還算喜歡、至少是不排斥目前的合作節奏,即使方向還在摸索中 - [name=wei] 跟 tai 一樣 XD 😆 - [name=max] 大家前進,大家有做自己想做的,也都對 PyCon 有幫助 - [name=stacy] 大家都有在做,但方向不一 - [name=Hane] 想做的事情對組織有益,但還沒完整性的規劃,無法看到這些事的實際用處 - [name=david jr.] (stacy + hane) / 2 ? 沒照 OKR ,有分歧了,目前統合意見還沒做好 1. 代表「價值」的黃帽:專注於價值、好處和利益 - 可用於精準投放廣告、徵才牆的職缺等等 - [name=tai] data-infra (贊助例行工作)、growth(贊助開發新贊助商)。不衝突:維持原本氣氛合作感覺成本低,衝突:集中能量 - [name=wei] 照著認為不衝突的方向的好處(維持目前節奏、成本低),認為衝突的好處(提早修正方向成本低) - 怎麼有點我在玩文字遊戲的感覺(笑 (驚) - [name=stacy] 不衝突:、衝突: - [name=hane] 不衝突好處:很多 team 應該還是可以用到 infra 衝突好處:提早 - [name=max] 跟 tai 一樣 XD - [name=davidJr] 跟 max 一樣 1. 代表「負面」的黑帽:專注在找出問題所在、負面情緒 - [name=tai] 不衝突:可能兩者都做不好(data infra vs. growth),衝突:想做 growth 的人會覺得無聊 - [name=wei] 不衝突:同 tai(?) 衝突: re-org 花心力成本、也不知道是不是正確方向 - [name=stacy] 不衝突:任務破碎、發散,大家會不停懷疑自己對組織帶來什麼益處(懷疑自己在組織中的價值) 衝突:有人可能會覺得無聊;啊我就想做 data infra R(?) ~~growth 我很會惹~~ ~~我才沒有ㄅ要亂講~~ 😆 - [name=hane] 不衝突:同 stacy 做出來的東西可能不符合 pycontw 整體需要的東西,事後修正更花成本 衝突:每個人的專長不同,如果側重 growth,可能有人需要 pick up 時間長、已經熟悉的人又會覺得很無聊 - [name=max] 不衝突:實做時間拉很長 衝突:有人會覺得無聊/離開 - [name=davidJr] 不衝突:太分散、不像一個 team;如果事後發現不是其他 team 需要的東西,可能會沒有成就感 衝突:可能有人覺得無聊 - 大家開始意見「跟其他人一樣」,似乎有共識! 1. 代表「創造」的綠帽:專注在想出解決辦法、新點子 - [name=tai] - team 重點前期(前 3 個月) data infra、後期(後 9 個月) growth - 搭配落實 mentor/mentee 制 - 範例 - 前期 team goal data infra 為主 - growth 專長的人可以 bi-weekly 分享自己的專業給其他人分享 - data infra 專長的人認真實做 + 認真帶其他專長的人做 data infra - [name=wei] - 擴編啦擴編,招募組上ㄅ - [name=stacy] - 堅持先弄好 infra >>也沒有堅持,就是看到最後可以做的部分 - 認為 infra 是不管做什麼都要的,所以一定要實做完 - 要釐清 davidJr 關於「順手建 ware house」這件事情的 warehouse 該長什麼樣。 - [name=hane] - team 重點前期要是 data infra - 我同意前三後九 - 也許可以普查其他 team 的資料需求 - [name=max] - 擴編擴編 - 我同意前三後九 - [name=davidJr] - 前面先照著 tai 的作法,招募擴編成功後獨立 growth team - if 招募不順利,限縮題目在 chat bot and SEO,品淳(贊助)的需求變成「順手把 ware house」建立起來。本質上是獨立成 growth team。 markdown 會自己解讀 1. 1. 1. 變成有意義的數字列 可是看起來就很啊雜 xD - 好處是不用改一個中間的數字、後面就要全部改 - 阿砸+1 強迫症會發作 **共識:前三後九** other action items: next meeting - [ ] 討論 data warehouse spec (ref: 各 team 資料需求) - [ ] 請 pingchun、伯俊、Rex 以及所有的 function 提需求,你們需要看哪些資料通通丟出來~ # 下次 meeting (實體) 會再開投票 # Summary of 4 Articles 上面列的四篇文章裡,摘要自己覺得有趣、可能會用在討論裡的資料。 ## getdbt https://blog.getdbt.com/data-team-structure-examples/ - 沒有標準答案,剛好和下面 sisense (growth 是 data team 一個分支) 和 andrew chen (growth team 獨立出來、提高層級) 的文章呈現對照 - 列出各公司組織圖與考量,很有意思的整理 ## sisense https://www.sisense.com/blog/the-6-functions-of-a-data-team/ - 把 growth 視為 data team 的一支業務(和下面 andrew chen 的觀點有點稍微不太一樣,層級可能不同) ![](https://i.imgur.com/9OT4X1C.png) ## Andrew Chen https://andrewchen.co/how-to-build-a-growth-team/ - growth team 是整合與推動這四種業務 ![](https://i.imgur.com/eC2aPqo.png)

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