HackMD
  • Prime
    Prime  Full-text search on all paid plans
    Search anywhere and reach everything in a Workspace with Prime plan.
    Got it
      • Create new note
      • Create a note from template
    • Prime  Full-text search on all paid plans
      Prime  Full-text search on all paid plans
      Search anywhere and reach everything in a Workspace with Prime plan.
      Got it
      • Options
      • Versions and GitHub Sync
      • Transfer ownership
      • Delete this note
      • Template
      • Save as template
      • Insert from template
      • Export
      • Dropbox
      • Google Drive
      • Gist
      • Import
      • Dropbox
      • Google Drive
      • Gist
      • Clipboard
      • Download
      • Markdown
      • HTML
      • Raw HTML
      • Sharing Link copied
      • /edit
      • View mode
        • Edit mode
        • View mode
        • Book mode
        • Slide mode
        Edit mode View mode Book mode Slide mode
      • Note Permission
      • Read
        • Owners
        • Signed-in users
        • Everyone
        Owners Signed-in users Everyone
      • Write
        • Owners
        • Signed-in users
        • Everyone
        Owners Signed-in users Everyone
      • More (Comment, Invitee)
      • Publishing
        Everyone on the web can find and read all notes of this public team.
        After the note is published, everyone on the web can find and read this note.
        See all published notes on profile page.
      • Commenting Enable
        Disabled Forbidden Owners Signed-in users Everyone
      • Permission
        • Forbidden
        • Owners
        • Signed-in users
        • Everyone
      • Invitee
      • No invitee
    Menu Sharing Create Help
    Create Create new note Create a note from template
    Menu
    Options
    Versions and GitHub Sync Transfer ownership Delete this note
    Export
    Dropbox Google Drive Gist
    Import
    Dropbox Google Drive Gist Clipboard
    Download
    Markdown HTML Raw HTML
    Back
    Sharing
    Sharing Link copied
    /edit
    View mode
    • Edit mode
    • View mode
    • Book mode
    • Slide mode
    Edit mode View mode Book mode Slide mode
    Note Permission
    Read
    Owners
    • Owners
    • Signed-in users
    • Everyone
    Owners Signed-in users Everyone
    Write
    Owners
    • Owners
    • Signed-in users
    • Everyone
    Owners Signed-in users Everyone
    More (Comment, Invitee)
    Publishing
    Everyone on the web can find and read all notes of this public team.
    After the note is published, everyone on the web can find and read this note.
    See all published notes on profile page.
    More (Comment, Invitee)
    Commenting Enable
    Disabled Forbidden Owners Signed-in users Everyone
    Permission
    Owners
    • Forbidden
    • Owners
    • Signed-in users
    • Everyone
    Invitee
    No invitee
       owned this note    owned this note      
    Published Linked with GitHub
    Like BookmarkBookmarked
    Subscribed
    • Any changes
      Be notified of any changes
    • Mention me
      Be notified of mention me
    • Unsubscribe
    Subscribe
    # Meta Magicians session outline ### A. General information | | | | -------- | -------- | | Session title | Meta Magicians ring | | Facilitator | Boris | | Scribe | *Text* | | Time and date | 13:30 - 15:00, 29.10.2018. | | Material requirements | *Text* | | Space requirements | *Text* | | Number of participants | *Text* | ### B. Expected outcomes 1. ### C. Expected outputs 1. ### D. Timeline | Duration | Segment | Description | | -------- | -------- | -------- | | Example: *10min* | Example: *Introduction* | Example: *The facilitator will briefly introduce the outline of the session with emphasis on expected outomes and outputs. Also, rules of participation and conduct will be set.* | | *text* | *text* | *text* | ## Notes Rhys Aidan TJ Rush Bryant - issuing invoices Brooke William Simona - events - inclusivity Amy - inclusivity Jordy - interested in organization, reaching consensus on standards Andreas - Kauri -- getting to action - scale and communicate, keep invluded from St. Lucia - coming from St. Lucia, populaton of 200K - when I wanted to get involved in cc community, used localbitcoin - I was the only user -- throughout the Caribean and East Africa, same problems still exist --- William - open Q&A -- 200 people - about 20 got a chance to speak - as groups get larger -- 80% stay quiet - in first ring group -- 30min was intros - point from Boris, Aidan -- like Linux or Bitcoin - IETF made some mistakes? Hit level of growth -- costs of coordination, cause people pushed to the wayside - if every single person has to have input, then each person is added -- cost goes into coordination - company called Gore -- famous for making Goretex - no managers -- best place to work - they found that there need to be small groups rather than large groups -- by necessity TJ Rush - when we will meet next? - instead -- push to regions Bryant - started my own meetup in my own city - no one from community is at DevCon -- I'm representing that community - hierarchies of discussion - can continue to have larger discussions - Need better communication -- out of in person, to online - Asynch communications - when do we want to meet? what goals do we want to succeed? - succesful rings did pre-work to move forward - others, for alignment in the room very valuable - more onus to do pre-work - lot of rework -- tackle the same issue, with a slightly different angle - trying to claim attention space -- or physical space - like Security Tokens vs. - not having one canon - better communication method Boris - example Kauri - tying things more to an EIP process -- measurable outcomes - agreement or not - implement in hackathons Jordy - one of problem with EIPs - person who writes it is interested parties - good position to start -- maybe there is another group -- that has a different perspective - competition rather than collaboration - EIPs shouldn't be linked by interest -- more professional manner - leadership of an EIP -- not knowing a lot -- just to be sure you are hearing all the parties - what are the conflicts, what are shared, neutral arbitration - if the EIP, the owner has that much power TJ Rush - how do we have forcing functions -- that force to not have leaders - keep them fluid Aidan: * no processes -- blow it up to regional areas Amy * been experimenting * responsibility of coming into a circle, need to do work * observer, or taking action * teach them to someone else * they should be able to get there and ready to run * choose how to be governed * hierarchy - holocracy - consensys * close the gap of alignment * how inclusive trying to be? Boris * explanation rings * Operations Ring * there is no "volunteers" ring yet -- so maybe we need one (we technically have a group & private forum for volunteering) Jamie * starts with personal responsibility * people feel responsible * create a tension -- in order * can't decentralize everything * have to have structure * can build trust * for example with Operations Ring -- there is a multisig * resources need to be managed -- need people to help with management * how do you deal with resources as part of centralization? ?? * management if there is a lot of money * what if proposals are made to receive funding? William * large issue around funds * maybe EthMagicians never want to hold funds * money is a horrible thing * money needs a bit of organization -- maybe * more pure opinion if are no salaries Boris * explain there isn't a lot of money * opinion: can we only use the donation funds for events William * making an event * how do we give out money Boris * IETF uses host organizations Jamie * Internet Society is the partner to IETF * Can we move the money to a separate entity * any resources is power * not just money -- numbering scheme on EIPs Aidan * how do we take whatever we have here -- bring it back to where we're from * how do we support more people like yourself * this conversation is most important for next council * livestreaming is great James * making it so that Magicians don't have to worry about money * separate body? we can do our thing * not mixing them sounds like a good thing, sounds like a compromise Peter Pan * syndicate model -- pledge money to a cause, angel fund * propose things, which people should fund or not * individual organizations decide how much to fund Bryant * interesting use of money to servic infrastructure * vote with their money, donating to smaller groups that form * end of the day there is a need for infra -- including infra to handle money * same thing with resource -- take some money to run, common infra we rely on * money is best used for that sort of thing, for any group * everyone has to fundraise themselves Boris * costs of volunteers $20K MP * what if one group wants to fundraise for getting something built -- eg. signal * can we still trust people to use the name EthMagicians and raise funds Bryant * scapegoat co that is formed to do invoices Brooke * if scapegoat takes invoices, then will be taxed * should we non profit? non profits are complexed Bryant "scapegoat international" MP * can we use Giveth * non binding votes * fundraising is very difficult Brooke * getting ahead of ourselves * non financial means of supporting sub groups James * stuff with fundraising that could be under entity * grant process or whatever * signaling ring -- never once thought I'm representing EthMagicians * never said "we're from EthMagicians" -- asked for our project to exist Jamie * these are resources, affiliation * not all of us have jobs at organizations that can fund things * people that want to participate that flights and things are a big burden * trying to enable process * like signaling notion Amy * focused on operational budget rather than future funding * have that budget * align partnerships -- we do have agreement from these partners Boris: * ask for consensus on NOT fundraising outside operational costs MP: * way to express opinions on funded projects -- because we are scaling quite fast Williams: * anyone should be able to do an EthMagicians event? * empower all people Peter: * doesn't like voting Simona: * voting not inclusive Jamie: * other rings signal Brooke: * everyone and no one is a magician * no one can and can't * but ... we do need to recognize that people will want to borrow the legitimacy of the name Aidan * from an open source software perspective * want to have remote / distributed hackathon * Colony has a repo on how to have a remote hackathon * Colony never said no one has to have permission * we have all the best practices out there * make things as forkable as possible Peter * adding to coordination and borrowing legitimacy * the signal of Magicians is provided by individuals Brooke * inside the dis-organization * from outside - EthMagicians is being pointed from the outside * potential for abuse MP * I think that voting and signaling are different things * don't want to hard vote * there should be signaling to prevent these things * forming an organization -- one of my guys wants to do something political * how do we define our goals? what is and is not political? * if rough consenus is achieved Jordy * if we are an organization or not * if we are, then there are limitations * we need governance -- don't care about democracy or dictatorship * if we act as an organization, need to take those steps MP * the first form of Ethereum activism * we want to jump on this as activism Bryant * culture -- something between organization and anarchy * if you don't ascribe to the model * signal that people should revisit * not just a pool of water on the floor Jamie * as individuals * it is loose * are we an organization? there is a lot of fictional thinking, decentralized vs formal * a human organization is formed -- we know how to organize * "an institution" --> those geese are coming to consensus * loose organization * some people want a more legalistic approach William * one is allocation around resources * beneficial to look at EthMagicians that has some organized parts to it * there is something organizational / institutional * stick with that giant anarchy * centralization around resources -- rules around the resources * eg website has rules Aidan * allow culture to define entries and exits * if we formalize too much Brooke * shill event? * EthMagicians Shill fest -- then we need to solve it Aidan * will signal that it is a shill event Bryant * template? MP * do we need a way to kill an exit scam William * Don't need to de-endorse things * Shillcoin Council of New York * meritocracy -- anyone can use it -- people would need to educate Jordy * we are an organization * don't be afraid of organizing * when I hear the word signaling -- I want voting! * when we are talking about decentralized then power -- rather than signaling, want voting Jamie * resources like the twitter account * in general, a lot more loose * sharper edges along other resources * individuals have a way to speak out * let's not prematurely optimize ## To Do ### ETHMagicians in the Public Domain Is the term EthMagicians in the Public Domain? ### Permission for Events No one needs permission to run an EthMagicians event Template discussion ### Support Smaller / Regional Events Boris: how do we enable / encourage / support smaller regional events around the world? (aka “there is no way I am doing the madness that is 250 people next to DevCon/insert large ETH event ever again”) TJ + Lane -- small regional Alex / Kauri have people in NYC ### Governance of donated funds * link to forum thread * plus operational issues about moving to a better multi-sig ### How are Councils run? * Should we follow the template from 2018 for 2019? ### Ecosystem Lack of Duplication * Andreas: collaboration across the Ethereum ecosystem, how do we do it better and duplicate efforts less frequently? ### Formalizing EIP around Ring Charters James: Would formalizing an EIP around Ring Charters (i.e Rings exist outside of Ethereum Magicans) be helpful to clarifying Rings and their organization. TO EIP DISCUSSION ### Issuing Invoices Bryant: can we have a shared entity? Who invoices as a shared resource? OPEN ### Budget TO DO: share this, who can help? ### Fundraising using Magicians Boris: Propose that we do NOT use fundraising for anything other than operational needs for Council events Jordy: dont' have Quorum! Boris: yes! we gather consensus in the room, and then bring to forum

    Import from clipboard

    Advanced permission required

    Your current role can only read. Ask the system administrator to acquire write and comment permission.

    This team is disabled

    Sorry, this team is disabled. You can't edit this note.

    This note is locked

    Sorry, only owner can edit this note.

    Reach the limit

    Sorry, you've reached the max length this note can be.
    Please reduce the content or divide it to more notes, thank you!

    Import from Gist

    Import from Snippet

    or

    Export to Snippet

    Are you sure?

    Do you really want to delete this note?
    All users will lost their connection.

    Create a note from template

    Create a note from template

    Oops...
    This template is not available.


    Upgrade

    All
    • All
    • Team
    No template found.

    Create custom template


    Upgrade

    Delete template

    Do you really want to delete this template?

    This page need refresh

    You have an incompatible client version.
    Refresh to update.
    New version available!
    See releases notes here
    Refresh to enjoy new features.
    Your user state has changed.
    Refresh to load new user state.

    Sign in

    Forgot password

    or

    By clicking below, you agree to our terms of service.

    Sign in via Facebook Sign in via Twitter Sign in via GitHub Sign in via Dropbox Sign in via Google

    New to HackMD? Sign up

    Help

    • English
    • 中文
    • Français
    • Deutsch
    • 日本語
    • Español
    • Català
    • Ελληνικά
    • Português
    • italiano
    • Türkçe
    • Русский
    • Nederlands
    • hrvatski jezik
    • język polski
    • Українська
    • हिन्दी
    • svenska
    • Esperanto
    • dansk

    Documents

    Tutorials

    Book Mode Tutorial

    Slide Mode Tutorial

    YAML Metadata

    Contacts

    Facebook

    Twitter

    Feedback

    Send us email

    Resources

    Releases

    Pricing

    Blog

    Policy

    Terms

    Privacy

    Cheatsheet

    Syntax Example Reference
    # Header Header 基本排版
    - Unordered List
    • Unordered List
    1. Ordered List
    1. Ordered List
    - [ ] Todo List
    • Todo List
    > Blockquote
    Blockquote
    **Bold font** Bold font
    *Italics font* Italics font
    ~~Strikethrough~~ Strikethrough
    19^th^ 19th
    H~2~O H2O
    ++Inserted text++ Inserted text
    ==Marked text== Marked text
    [link text](https:// "title") Link
    ![image alt](https:// "title") Image
    `Code` Code 在筆記中貼入程式碼
    ```javascript
    var i = 0;
    ```
    var i = 0;
    :smile: :smile: Emoji list
    {%youtube youtube_id %} Externals
    $L^aT_eX$ LaTeX
    :::info
    This is a alert area.
    :::

    This is a alert area.

    Versions

    Versions and GitHub Sync

    Sign in to link this note to GitHub Learn more
    This note is not linked with GitHub Learn more
     
    Add badge Pull Push GitHub Link Settings
    Upgrade now

    Version named by    

    More Less
    • Edit
    • Delete

    Note content is identical to the latest version.
    Compare with
      Choose a version
      No search result
      Version not found

    Feedback

    Submission failed, please try again

    Thanks for your support.

    On a scale of 0-10, how likely is it that you would recommend HackMD to your friends, family or business associates?

    Please give us some advice and help us improve HackMD.

     

    Thanks for your feedback

    Remove version name

    Do you want to remove this version name and description?

    Transfer ownership

    Transfer to
      Warning: is a public team. If you transfer note to this team, everyone on the web can find and read this note.

        Link with GitHub

        Please authorize HackMD on GitHub

        Please sign in to GitHub and install the HackMD app on your GitHub repo. Learn more

         Sign in to GitHub

        HackMD links with GitHub through a GitHub App. You can choose which repo to install our App.

        Push the note to GitHub Push to GitHub Pull a file from GitHub

          Authorize again
         

        Choose which file to push to

        Select repo
        Refresh Authorize more repos
        Select branch
        Select file
        Select branch
        Choose version(s) to push
        • Save a new version and push
        • Choose from existing versions
        Available push count

        Upgrade

        Pull from GitHub

         
        File from GitHub
        File from HackMD

        GitHub Link Settings

        File linked

        Linked by
        File path
        Last synced branch
        Available push count

        Upgrade

        Danger Zone

        Unlink
        You will no longer receive notification when GitHub file changes after unlink.

        Syncing

        Push failed

        Push successfully