# Meeting - 27 February 2023

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## Meeting Info

This is the UK Carpentry Community space for the UK Carpentry instructors, helpers and workshop coordinators (or anyone involved in training tech to researchers in general and outside of the UK) to get to know each other better, update the commmunity about developments, discuss issues and ideas, and encourage collaboration.

During these meetings, we will be conforming to [The Carpentries Code of Conduct](https://docs.carpentries.org/topic_folders/policies/code-of-conduct.html).

**Meeting schedule: meetings happen on 4th Monday each month, 16:00-17:00 UK time, BST (UTC+1) or GMT (UTC+0) depending on the time of the year**

**Meeting details are shared via [local-uk mailing list](https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk) and [The Carpentries community calendar](https://carpentries.org/community/#community-events).**

- [Community's HackMD workspace](https://hackmd.io/team/local-uk?nav=overview)
- [Previous & upcoming meetings](https://hackmd.io/V3ReKkEESzqyCNxWJdulOw#Meeting-Notes)
- [Meeting notes template](https://hackmd.io/hgl1tYhOTTqDsIDwjArE5w)
- [Chairing rota](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkPK1Si7F)
- [Guest speaker sign-up](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd)

**Zoom URL:** https://zoom.us/j/95360073649

## Meeting Minutes

- **Chair:** Andrew Walker
- **Timekeeper:**
- **Notetaker:** Mario Antonioletti

### Agenda
0. Assign notetaker & timekeeper
1. Sign in & ice-breaker
1. Review of actions
2. Announcements
- Submitted two workshops to the [SSI's Collaborations Workshop 2023, 2-4 May, hybrid, Manchester](https://software.ac.uk/cw23). Need to see if these are selected but if you are going to be there it might be worth going to.
- Confessions of Carpentry instructors: panel session to discuss instructor experiences
- Carpentries Superstars: How to Make the Best of Your Teaching Experience - demo of teaching in a safe environment (you can volunteer if you want)
5. Guest speaker + Q&A
- [Sign-up sheet](https://hackmd.io/v65VBD-eTi6GMZkKPiqHzA) if you would like to give a brief presentation at a future meeting.
7. Instructor Training checkout questions
8. Wrap-up/AOB

### Sign-in

Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout:

1. David Halliday / He / Newcastle University / Checkout
2. Stavrina Dimosthenous / she|her|hers / Henry Royce Institute, University of Manchester / Checkout
3. Richard Howey / he/his / Newcastle University / Checkout
4. Dimitrios Doudesis / University of Edinburgh / Checkout
5. Abdulrahman Dallak / Newcastle University / Checkout
6. Mario Antonioletti/ he/him / EPCC/SSI, University of Edinburgh
7. Andrew Walker / he/him / University of Oxford
8. Jannetta Steyn / she/her / Newcastle University
9. Ed Bennett / Swansea University
10. Phil Reed / he/him / University of Manchester
11. Juan Herrera / he, him / EPCC, The University of Edinburgh
12. William Graham / he/him / University College London / Checkout
13. Olexandr Konovalov / he,him / University of St Andrews
14. Colin Sauze / he,him / National Oceanography Centre
15. Tobias Ferreira / he,him / National Oceanography Centre
16. Joao Morado / he,him / National Oceanography Centre
17. Danielle Sieh, she/her, The Carpentries

### Notes

Lots of new people so we did a round of introductions.

No actions.

We submitted two workshops to the [CW23](https://www.software.ac.uk/cw23).

Olexandr talked about his translation of Carpentry to Ukranian.
Have now 9 translators in the team, and several lessons are being translated now.
If anyone speaks Ukranian and has some knowledge of content of one
of the lessons (currently Git, shell or R) and would like to help,
please get in touch with Olexandr.

Andrew talked about the workshop proposals for the collaborations workshop.

Daneielle mentioned that the Carpentries are having Instructor community calls where Instructors can share their expereines, ask questions and network - they happen every second Tuesday. Danielle invited people to attend. Next call is 14 March at 11:00 am and 5:00 pm UTC. Instructor Community Calls: https://pad.carpentries.org/InstructorMeetings

Stavrina may be happy to give a presentation once more experience is
gained.

It would be good to get a talk about workbench, the new Carpentry lesson
framework. This would be good for newly qualified instructors. Olexandr volunteered to give a talk about translation using Transifex and give a demo of its functionality.

Andrew mentioned a NERC training course that he run at Oxford with
Chris Wood. There is talk about doing an intermediate course in
the same series - he asked about what could be taken to be an
intermediate course (what level to pitch at).

Will has had some experience at UCL asking attendees - they want stuff that is more tailored to their own research.

Mario suggested you could get them to come and bring their own data/code
have some aims and help them apply these to their code/data. Sarah Jaffa mentioned a German-based course where they could apply principles to their own code or work on the repository example.

Ed suggested having a "bring your own code" event can be hit/miss and people will
turn up to the taught content but may not turn up to the hackathon portion (e.g. being enthusiastic to learn but not having code to bring).
Having an extended challenge component is a little more successful in keeping learners engaged.
Also, Bristol has intermediate material that they target at PhD students a year on from the introductory/SWC level material, talking about team collaborative development, pull requests, automated testing, CI, etc. Less content than the Incubator lesson, but more in depth.

Stavrina talked about the intermediate Python but also how to apply Python to their own code or to talk about the language under the hood.

Colin mentioned that he tried to do a study group after a lesson where each person would present about a topic after. Also did Python working exercises so it was more ad hoc and not lesson led.

Stavrina wondered what a good first issue might be for the checkout process. Multiple suggestions were given and I can't type fast enough.

Jannetta's suggestion for a GitHub issue is to contribute to glosario: https://github.com/carpentries/glosario

* The github 'private email' how to is wrong in the git lesson
* A glossary entry
* typos
* translation
* ...