Carvel Community Meeting

--- title: Carvel Community Meeting tags: community --- # Carvel Community Meeting *This doc is meant to serve as the "one doc to rule them all" for Carvel community meetings and open discussions.* Community meetings are held **every Monday at 11:30AM Pacific Time** ([Convert to your time zone](http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/?t=09:00&tz=PT%20%28Pacific%20Time%29)). Join the [Google Group](https://groups.google.com/g/carvel-dev) to get updates on the project and invites to community meetings. [Community meeting Zoom link](http://community.klt.rip) (Previous recordings: [Carvel YouTube Playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bmigfV0EqS1ZxRR1cRd8eqdwQij9Lsa)) _Please read and abide by our [Code of Conduct](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/blob/develop/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md)._ *If you have anything you’d like to put on the agenda, please do so below for the next meeting.* _For any discussion items or open questions we do not get to in the time allotted, we invite you to join us every 2nd and 4th Thursday, 11:30am PST, for [Carvel Office Hours](https://hackmd.io/5Bh2IXwTShSrA0YdBY4AGg)._ --- # March 1, 2021 Agenda ### Announcements * [Introducing Carvel Office Hours](https://hackmd.io/5Bh2IXwTShSrA0YdBY4AGg) - Every 2nd and 4th Thursday, starting March 11, 2021, 11:30am PST. ### Monthly Roadmap Review * We review the roadmap the first community meeting of each month. * **Action Item:** Helen George (Product Manager) to make Roadmap public ### Status Updates * imgpkg v0.5.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/releases/tag/v0.5.0)) * [[ytt] schemas](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/283): In Progress * [[imgpkg] Recursive Bundles](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/68): In Progress * [[imgpkg] Performance Improvements](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/65): In Progress * [[kapp] Enhancements](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board?repos=175895515): In Progress * [[kapp-controller] Package Manager API MVP](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/issues/87): In Progress * [[kapp-controller] Enhancements](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board?repos=220090417): In Progress ### This Week's Plans * [Backlog](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board) *(Watch [this clip](https://youtu.be/kIvJNaLRaLs?t=1968) from a past Carvel Community Meeting discussing what is "pointing" and why we point)* * [Copy Recursive Bundles to tar and import the tar to a registry](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/84) * Pointing Estimate: 2 * Continuing discussion from February 22: [Type check private library data values](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/296_) * Pointing Estimate: 3 * [Explore `kapp` incorporating externally-applied Resources](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp/194) * Pointing Estimate: 0 ### Discussion Topics * <Add Your Discussion Topic Here> # February 22, 2021 Agenda ### Status Updates * [[ytt] schemas](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/283): In Progress. ### This Week's Plans * [Walk through this week's iteration](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board?repos=173207060,175895515,219018453,228296630,183293280,182335015,242393147,233947898,313435697,150145584,181289406,246354606) * Dennis - [Why imgpkg is inefficient](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/65) * Joao - * [Create a Recursive Bundle](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/82) * [Retrieve all Bundles referenced by a Bundle to disk](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/83) * [kapp should double check that k8s api returns labeled resources](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp/160) * John Ryan - [Type check private library data values](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/issues/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/296_) ### Discussion Topics (was not discussed this meeting due to lack of time) * Testing Frameworks conversation, the idea is for us to discuss the next results and what would be our plan (_postponed due to time_) Current results: Testing Frameworks: - Golang Testing Framework - 6 votes - Spec - 3 votes - Ginkgo - 4 votes Assertion/Matcher Frameworks: - Build your own - 1 vote - Testify - 8 votes - Gomega - 3 votes --- # February 8, 2021 Agenda ### Status Updates * [[imgpkg] --include-non-distributable](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/64): Completed. Remaining step: consume the next ggcr release. * [[ytt] schemas](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/283): In Progress. * Up next: [imgpkg] enhancements, [[imgpkg] performance investigation](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/66), [[imgpkg] recursive bundles](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/68), [[ytt] overlay error message improvements](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/289), [ytt] enhancements ### This Week's Plans * [ZenHub board](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board?repos=173207060,175895515,219018453,183293280,182335015,242393147,313435697) (browser extension is required to see the board) ### Discussion Topics * Register to attend the [CNCF Webinar](https://t.co/OgT1g5bMnn?amp=1) happening February 9 at 10AM PT / 1PM ET --- # February 1, 2021 Agenda The start of the new meeting day + time! ### Status Updates * [[ytt] schemas](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/283) * [[imgpkg] --include-non-distributable](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/64) * Up next: [[imgpkg] performance investigation](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/66), [[imgpkg] recursive bundles](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/68), [[ytt] overlay error message improvements](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/289) ### This Week's Plans * [ZenHub board](https://app.zenhub.com/workspaces/carvel-backlog-6013063a24147d0011410709/board?repos=173207060,175895515,219018453,183293280,182335015,242393147,313435697) (browser extension is required to see the board) ### Discussion Topics * Question: What is the context behind the application labels (e.g. kapp.k14s.io/app:123...)? What if current model uses https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/overview/working-with-objects/common-labels/? --- # January 27, 2021 Agenda ### Introductions 👋 - Introduce each team member, wave your hand! - Note about participating: - if you have a question or comment about the current topic, please speak up. - if you're reminded of another topic, please take note and ask in the "Open Discusion" time. ### Announcements 📣 - We're making changes to the community meeting (_this meeting_). Moving to every Monday at 11:30am PST. - We're moving to GitHub Projects! - GitHub issue voting :+1: - imgpkg v0.3.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/releases/tag/v0.3.0)) - kbld v0.28.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kbld/releases/tag/v0.28.0)) - current focuses and asks - ytt schemas (Cari) - Consistent error messages - A schema file provides [default data values](https://hackmd.io/pODV3wzbT56MbQTxbQOOKQ#Inferring-Default-Values) - imgpkg [non-distributable layers](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-imgpkg/issues/8) (Dennis) - New Website for imgpkg and vendir! https://carvel.dev/ - note: Documentation moves from our GitHub repos to this website. ### Carvel Tech Forum - [Assertion library discussion](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel/discussions/6) - Issue: Command to [validate data values](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/278) - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) --- # January 13, 2021 Agenda :fireworks: Happy New Year! :fireworks: ### Introductions 👋 - Introduce each team member, wave your hand! - Note about participating: - if you have a question or comment about the current topic, please speak up. - if you're reminded of another topic, please take note and ask in the "Open Discusion" time. ### Announcements 📣 - ytt v0.31.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/releases/tag/v0.31.0)) - kapp-controller v0.14.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/releases/tag/v0.14.0)) - New Website! https://carvel.dev/ - note: Documentation moves from our GitHub repos to this website. ### Carvel Tech Forum - ✅ Dmitriy: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/251 - (Did this get discussed on 12/9/20?) - ✅ ytt app-group https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/260 - ✅ Length of time before issues go stale (currently 45 days) - Assertion library discussion - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) --- # December 9, 2020 Agenda ### Introductions 👋 - Introduce each team member, wave your hand! - Note about participating: - if you have a question or comment about the current topic, please speak up. - if you're reminded of another topic, please take note and ask in the "Open Discusion" time. ### Announcements 📣 - kapp-controller v0.13.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/releases/tag/v0.13.0)) - Community meetings will resume January 13th ### Carvel Tech Forum - Dmitriy: [Hidden directory handling](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/240) - [GitHub Issues Triage](https://hackmd.io/y8hwYAX3SEuGS3p-2EdgHg) Overview (Cari) - Dmitriy: [Replacing single item with multiple items in overlays](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-ytt/issues/251) - Jonas: [KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe 2021 Call for Proposals (CFP)](https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe/program/cfp/) - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) # November 25, 2020 ### Introductions 👋 ### Announcements 📣 - vendir v0.13.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/releases/tag/v0.13.0)) (Cari) - [Bug: Paths don't allow using path names that starts with a string that is used in other path names](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/issues/21) - vendir v0.14.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/releases/tag/v0.14.0)) (Cari) - No functional changes. Cutting release after move to vmware-tanzu. ### Carvel Tech Forum - ~~tour of `kapp` in use~~ - release process - automate? - packaging format (brew, today, chocolatey, win-get) - Developer Portal access — https://tanzu.vmware.com/developer/workshops/ - Run on Minikube from GitHub repo - https://github.com/eduk8s-labs/lab-getting-started-with-carvel - Walkthrough of the existing material - How to create your own - [GitHub Issues Triage](https://hackmd.io/y8hwYAX3SEuGS3p-2EdgHg) Community Review - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ - the hidden directory problem - ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) ### Notes - Tour of kapp use from Gal - (pull highlights from recording) - Release Process - where are we today? - it's fairly manual, today. - step: write out the "playbook" for how we do this today. - step: propose an approach to releasing all of our tools - informed by enumerating priority use cases - sets expectations so that others can plan around our work (mapped well to the road map) - - what is our release cadence? (when?) - calendar time vs. event time? - bugfix release vs. major/minor release - bugfix example: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-vendir/pull/22#issuecomment-726251187 - achieve a "thin slice" of a feature - - automation? --- # November 11, 2020 ### Introductions ### Announcements - vendir v0.12.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/k14s/vendir/releases/tag/v0.12.0)) - KubeCon office hours - November 20th 10-10:45 PST ### Carvel Tech Forum - Dead Reckoning on imgpkg: Where are we now? Where are we going? - kbld package/unpackage: https://github.com/k14s/kbld/blob/develop/docs/packaging.md - Docs: https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg/tree/develop/docs - Releases: https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg/releases - Prior / Other Current Art - https://github.com/containers/skopeo - https://github.com/deislabs/oras - https://github.com/aws/containers-roadmap/issues/43#issuecomment-691091513 - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ - ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) # October 28, 2020 ### Introductions ### Announcements - kbld 0.27.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/k14s/kbld/releases/tag/v0.27.0)) - can now tag images pushed by kbld (thanks [@StarpTech](https://github.com/StarpTech)!) - now does additional digest check when unpacking relocated images - vendir 0.11.0 ([release notes](https://github.com/k14s/vendir/releases/tag/v0.11.0)) - you can now specify versions using SemVer! 😲 - VMware Tanzu Kubernetes Grid 1.2 was released ([release notes](https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Tanzu-Kubernetes-Grid/1.2/rn/VMware-Tanzu-Kubernetes-Grid-12-Release-Notes.html)) - using Carvel tools for templating and other stuff. ([example on Twitter](https://twitter.com/lamw/status/1318545840298840064?s=21)) ### Carvel Tech Forum - How can we make contributing to `kbld` easier? - GitHub issue from [@StarpTech](https://github.com/StarpTech): [k14s/kbld#54](https://github.com/k14s/kbld/issues/54) - _**(Community member? Please add your topic here!)**_ - ... --- # October 14, 2020 ### Introductions ### Announcements - [Schema](https://github.com/k14s/ytt) development has begun. Check out the [Proposal/Design Doc](https://hackmd.io/pODV3wzbT56MbQTxbQOOKQ) (👷‍ _pardon the construction dust_ 👷‍). - [ytt-vim](https://github.com/k14s/ytt.vim) has joined the k14s Github org! ### Carvel Tech Forum - Exploring [GitOps](https://www.gitops.tech/) - What is GitOps? - Introduction to [kapp-controller](https://github.com/k14s/kapp-controller) - [SOPS](https://github.com/mozilla/sops) integration ([docs](https://github.com/k14s/kapp-controller/blob/develop/docs/sops.md)) - Open Discussion ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) --- # September 30,2020 ### Introductions ### Announcements - Will be migrating our repositories from [`k14s`](https://github.com/k14s) Github Organization to [`vmware-tanzu`](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu). - part of being a VMware-backed Open Source Project. ### Status Update - imgpkg (Cari) - [Proposal: bundle copying](https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg/tree/develop/proposals/001-bundles#pkg-copy--copy-bundles-and-images-to-various-locations-) - What's next - ytt Schema (John) - [Proposal and Design: Schema](https://github.com/k14s/design-docs/tree/develop/ytt/001-schemas) - Community (Aaron) - Renamed the Kubernetes Slack channel to [#carvel](https://kubernetes.slack.com/archives/CH8KCCKA5) from #k14s. - Watch: [Introduction to Carvel on Rawkode Live](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBCmMTofNxw) - User Research: better `ytt` overlay error messages - Planning on creating dedicated pages for more Carvel tools: - Next: [imgpkg](https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg) - Soon: [kapp-controller](https://github.com/k14s/kapp-controller) - Emmanuel Mayssat will be giving a [talk at EnvoyCon on WASM filters](https://envoycon2020.sched.com/event/eccg/hands-on-wasm-filters-and-singleton) which will include his usage of `ytt` ### Community Discussion Topics / Carvel Tech Forum :::info Do _you_ have a question? Topic to discuss? Add it below. 👇 ::: - [Structs](https://github.com/k14s/ytt/blob/develop/docs/lang-ref-ytt.md#struct), [Dictionaries](https://github.com/k14s/ytt/blob/develop/docs/lang-ref-dict.md), and [YAML Fragments](https://github.com/k14s/ytt/blob/develop/docs/lang-ref-yaml-fragment.md) - [ytt#208](https://github.com/k14s/ytt/issues/208): enhance structs to support iteration, bracket accessor, ... - ... ### How can we better serve you? 👂 * [Carvel Community Meeting Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6) --- # September 16, 2020 ### Introductions ### Announcements * Latest release * [kapp v0.34.0](https://github.com/k14s/kapp/releases/tag/v0.34.0) * [vendir v0.10.0](https://github.com/k14s/vendir/releases/tag/v0.10.0) * Renaming Kubernetes slack channel from `#k14s` to `#carvel` (Planned on Sep. 25) * [KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Euro 2020 Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=WJw1MDFMVuk) ### Status Update * [imgpkg update](https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg/tree/develop/proposals) (Garrett & Eli) * [Proposal: Bundles](https://github.com/k14s/imgpkg/tree/develop/proposals/001-bundles) * Schemas update (John & Cari) * [Proposal: Schemas](https://github.com/k14s/ytt/tree/develop/proposals/001-schemas) * ytt overlay error messages (Eli) ### Contributor Shoutouts * John B. - RegexpReplace in ytt * Arttii - [SOPS in Kapp-controller](https://github.com/k14s/kapp-controller/pull/27) ### Community Discussion Topics - Project visibility (Helen) ### We want to hear from you 👂 * [Feedback Form](https://forms.gle/nc6TBrsSRCp11FaA6)

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