# 《九日訪談-赤燭製作人&配音領班》字幕協作

Whisper 語音識別後，輔助字幕翻譯、逐字稿與摘要生成工作用，智慧財產權屬於原創作人僅於「合理使用」原則範圍內應用

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## 來源素材

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## 字幕協作

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Hello大家好 我是九日的配音領班大內

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那在我身邊的這一位是

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大家好 我是赤燭的共同創辦人

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然後也是九日的製作人 適維

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今天真的非常開心有這個機會可以訪問適維

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是釋出之後

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想必大家也有蠻多的問題想要問

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因為像我一PO出宣傳之後

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就很多人在下面問

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這個語系 這個語言

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怎麼會這麼有趣

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然後我們配音的過程有沒有發生一些什麼趣事

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或是有沒有可以分享的事

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所以今天才特別請到適維來

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回答大家這個問題

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我的榮幸 我的榮幸

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好 那我們馬上進入第一題

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那最一開始當然不免俗的想要問

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就是為什麼會想要

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使用這個不真實存在的語言呢

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最早是誰先想到這個點呢

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最早就是我們在籌備九日的時候

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其實這個過程一開始

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因為就參考了其他的遊戲

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包括《空洞騎士》

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然後包括大家如果有知道

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《桑薩爾達》這樣的作品

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其實它裡面都有一些所謂的語助詞

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情緒詞之外呢

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其實還有一些所謂的

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聽起來像是話

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但其實你聽不懂的那種

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然後所以在這個發展之下

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就覺得說那個效果蠻好的

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然後再加上說

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有一點就是

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有一點就是

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有一點就是

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然後再加上說

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有一點算是我自己個人小小的堅持

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覺得說

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我們的世界既然已經是一個

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架空上古世界的這樣子的設定

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如果讓它去講

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我們所熟悉的語言的話

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會覺得有點出戲

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但是實際上從哪裡去找來一個

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符合我們自己文化裡面的

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架空語言這件事情其實花了一點功夫

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那最終就是

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做了很多的研究

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但是

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也澄清一下其實我們不是語言學家

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所以說在這個過程中如果有一些

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冒犯之處啊還是大家

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可以多多擔待但是反正最後

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我們就從我們的

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比較熟悉的等於漢語系裡面

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去找出像說閩南語的八音

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然後還有甚至參考了一點所謂的

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中古漢語的發音方式

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最後把它拼湊出來說

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我們自己聽覺上怎麼樣更接近

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所謂的

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我們的漢語這件事情

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其實講那麼多

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基本上就是一個我們自己

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亂掰的語言

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但是效果真的很好因為我的確看到

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下面有人回說如果這款遊戲

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真的是配中文的話

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就感覺不會

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這麼吸引我

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其實最早的時候有在想說要不要

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全配中文

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甚至有想過要全配台語

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所以其實最早的時候找

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大內老師的時候我必須說

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其實那個時候還是還蠻不確定

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對,因為我那時候就

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有自己先來

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試錄公司,我們有來試錄過

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那時候我還記得試錄的時候是

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就是真的是長句子

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整段都錄的狀況

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然後一直在那邊調

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就是發音

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然後我的情緒要多有

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多有給他情緒,因為大家也知道

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不同的每一屆

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作品會有不同的情緒,譬如說像

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日本動漫就可能會非常起伏

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可是我是戲劇的話就比較平穩

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那像就是

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因為畢竟上一部作品還原

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他就是採取比較真實一點的那種

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比較平穩的配音,所以那時候還在摸索

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沒錯,然後摸索的時候其實

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對這個答案非常

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猶豫或者說

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非常的不確定,然後說真的也是

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多謝大內老師那次來

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其實效果非常好

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然後我們才覺得說,那就乾脆

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就偷襲下去好了

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其實也是多虧了大內老師

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那一次的配音

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但是我也蠻好奇,因為我來錄完

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demo之後,一直到就是

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確定正式錄音,這中間隔了

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蠻長一段時間,沒錯

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然後適維這邊有跟我討論說

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你們有開會進行調整

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那時候的開會調整,具體來說是

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調整的時候

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其實大家有時候還等了蠻久的

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那時候我一直

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這個遊戲是沒問題嗎

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因為我知道你們後來延期過一次

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因為電玩展的時候,有時候就是

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然後那時候就想說,完蛋了又延期

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然後你們後來好像又說什麼

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我們已經確定了,就是在五月底

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然後又一直在想說,五月底

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不就已經快了嗎

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沒錯,這邊也是蠻不好意思

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跟大內老師報告一下

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那個時候其實我們就是

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時程上非常趕

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然後一直要往下面去趕進度

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然後實際上要做遊戲裡面的內容

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其實根本就來不及

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太驚艷了

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所以就還是想要往這個方向去發展

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那實際上調整是什麼呢

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其實就是大內老師那次來,你剛剛有提到

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說全部每一句都配這件事情

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到最後我們就發現

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其實對於遊戲的表現

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來說,也不是最好的

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因為可能我們是一個動作遊戲

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所以其實玩家在玩一個動作遊戲

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裡面聽到每一句語音

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太多詞的時候,可能也會覺得

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有點煩,大家會比較快速地按掉

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然後再加上其實我們的成本

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也非常有限

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所以就覺得說

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那時候大內老師來,我記得試了

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一個下午

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好像六個小時還

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就煩蠻久的

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然後才錄掉一部分的勾芒而已

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我們沒有錄完

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我們就在想說,如果到時候真的

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整個十萬個字都要這樣走

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應該是蠻不可能達成

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所以其實那個時候在

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大內老師等待這段時間

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我們其實就一直在砍規格

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砍畫量

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砍內容,然後才敢找大內老師

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其實我覺得這個決定

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還蠻不錯的,是因為我自己也是

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玩家,的確我們在打電動的時候

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都會把句子

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真的會到後來就是聽覺得

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好,我知道了,然後就

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為了趕進度或什麼,就會把它按掉

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所以的確,如果是全語音的話

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可惜的地方

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掌握一個完全的架構語言

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那麼大量的文本,覺得好像也是

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負荷不了

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對,而且因為那時候其實實不相瞞

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我們是聽著公司成員

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他錄的demo

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他很辛苦的把每一句話

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都先錄了demo給我們

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然後我們是,佩穎是聽著demo

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然後跟著念

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但是要在極短時間內就先抓到

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那個發音,然後再去

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加入情緒

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非常厲害,整個過程瞠目結舌

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對,對佩穎員來說

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應該都是像是在念外星語

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精靈語的概念

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好,那我這邊要突然跳脫一下

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因為剛剛都一直在講說是我們佩穎

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但是,就我知道

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適維是不是這次有自己下來錄

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喔對,是

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因為主要一開始

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還沒找到大蕾老師你們這個

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就是對我來說是一個救命稻草以前

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我們一直在想說

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這個東西是不是可能

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大部分要自己解決掉

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所以就自己嘗試著錄了一些

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但坦白講就是錄到角色的時候

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就蠻失敗的

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你那時候自己錄什麼

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你嘗試了哪一個

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我嘗試的其實都是在一些那種

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戰鬥的音效裡面

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就是像那什麼劍兵啊

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怪物類的,怪物

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然後那些就是我們因為可以有大量的

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所以可以讓聲音聽起來就是很假

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但是其實只要開始錄到那個

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真的角色的時候

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我還記得我錄了一版

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好像是夸服吧

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對對對,然後就盡量的用

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我所想像的

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夸服的聲音

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但是就是完全做不出來

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但是最後還是有留一些在

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遊戲裡面啦

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就是一些那種很簡單的邊角料

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我們就把它處理掉了

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好的,因為這次的就是整個

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雖然說算改

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但是其實也算是

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我覺得還是有把我們想做的事情做出來

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這次的合作我覺得

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默契來說是超乎我的想像

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太好了

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真是放心了

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因為大內老師我覺得

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你也有某種通靈能力

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你好像都大概知道

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我們想要幹嘛

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有的時候我自己都不太知道

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太好了,我平常打電動

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的效果是有的

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就跟爸媽說我沒有在浪費時間

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我打電動是有在研究

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我記得錄的過程中有一些時候

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譬如說大內老師是聲音導演

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或某一個情緒我覺得做不到位

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我自己不太知道怎麼調整的時候

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其實大內老師都很快速的

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要怎麼做到這件事情

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謝謝

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那就是為了完成我的責任我的工作

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因為我們今天就是這麼難

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來這邊採訪市委

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所以我也找了幾位角色的

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配音員一起來到現場

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太好了

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那待會我們就可以請他們待會跟市委也聊聊看

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他們對於角色的一些想法

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還有當初抓角色的個性時

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是有什麼心情去做的

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那我們先到此

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那首先我想要問你們三位在

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配音之前就知道這款遊戲了嗎

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有聽過這款遊戲嗎

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我還蠻訝異的耶

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真的不知道嗎

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我知道前面兩款但是

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不知道他們要出新遊戲

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可是久日醞釀了蠻久的

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沒關係

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真的可以的

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真的可以的

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沒關係