# Octant Community Meeting

_This doc is meant to serve as the "one doc to rule them all" for Octant community meetings._

[Join the Octant community meetings every Wednesday at 1PM ET / 10AM PT](https://vmware.zoom.us/j/627117615)

_You can find recordings of these meetings [on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bmigfV0EqQ55lLisHHy2n1MDuRZasrR)._

_If you have anything you'd like to put on the agenda, please do so below for the next meeting:_

## July 08, 2020
### Agenda

- Upcoming release
- Create resource (apply yaml)
- Start without Kubeconfig
- Port Forward Service
- Better ALB Ingress Support
- Easier delete namespace (grid action)
- Continued efforts
- Viewing RBAC permissions (can-i)
- HasAccess / subjectaccess refactoring
- Resource Viewer
- Plugin System [#1080](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/1080)
- Upcoming
- More electron app focus
- Structured log viewer
- More clarity components (Wizard, Timeline)
- Look into: Stepper component as well
- Visualizing knative
- Visualizing tekton
- https://github.com/tektoncd/experimental/tree/master/octant-plugin
#### Open Q&A - add your questions here
- Community Meeting Agenda and Video
- when video is uploaded, copy that weeks agenda with video link in to our GH repo?
- still use hackmd for live agenda
- relpace agenda with link to GH
- **Action**: create wiki entry for community notes, add notes and video link together.

## July 1, 2020
### Agenda

- Dependabot added!
- Experimental Typescript Plugin
- Component documentation live on https://reference.octant.dev/

#### Open Q&A - add your questions here
- Should Octant save an uploaded kubeconfig?
- Yes. We will figure out details of what that looks like. Sam to write doc.

## June 24, 2020
### Agenda
* Plugin Discussion
* Problems:
* Must build binary for each platform.
* No hot reloading.
* No runtime discovery/registration.
* DashboardClient is namespaced.
* https://github.com/bloodorangeio/octant-helm/blob/master/pkg/plugin/views/root.go#L35
* Delete Actions from Plugins
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/blob/master/pkg/action/doc.go
* Idea: Public gRPC plugin interface
* Ensure that writing to the gRPC interface with Go is just as easy as it is now with the integrated Go plugin library.
* Export Go to TS gRPC?
* Idea: Local plugins are TypeScript
* It was attractive that the plugins could just be written in Go.
* Ensure we don't lose this ease of writing a Go plugin.
* Idea: Provide a NamespacedClient and ClusterClient
* Ideas about accessing resources
* SubjectAccess rules/checks and API interactions.
* https://github.com/wwitzel3/subjectaccess
* https://github.com/bryanl/clientkube
* Drafting a proposal, will have a PR up by EOW.
* In-Cluster Challenges
* Informers
* Global Client
* Global Plugins
* Demo: no kubeconfig

#### Open Q&A - add your questions here

* The current roadmap vs. where Octant is now has some drift, do we want to update that? When are we at 1.0?
* Yes. Let's update the roadmap.
* We are still missing some of the core things that really will make Octant 1.0. Finalize plugin interfaces. Finalize resource viewer. Electron application. In-cluster.

## June 17, 2020
### Agenda

* Supporting ALB Ingress Controller. Are there more? [#987](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/987)
* Table string filters [#986](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/986)
* CRDs in cluster overview [#981](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/981)
* SubjectAccess work continues
* Plugin updates being discussed
* portable acorss platforms
* reloadable, removable, all of uables
* findable, json structure to identify plugin locations
* [CNCF Webinar on Octant](https://www.cncf.io/webinars/how-to-better-understand-k8s-workloads-using-octant/) happening June 17th at 4PM ET / 1PM PT, led by Wayne
* More Storybook Demo
* Sandbox

#### Open Q&A - add your questions here

* Plugin hosted out of the cluster as an addon? A completely remote plugin.
* Eventually. The new plugin runtime is going to be gRPC.

## June 10, 2020
### Agenda

* [0.13.1 release](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/releases/tag/v0.13.1)
* Fixed HPA printer bug
* Fixed TestBed linter warnings
* Looking at two issues that were reported after 0.13 release:
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/977
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/969
* Storybook Demo
* WIP https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/971
* Startup without kubeconfig.
* Loading cluster access at cluster client creation time.
* [CNCF Webinar on Octant](https://www.cncf.io/webinars/how-to-better-understand-k8s-workloads-using-octant/) happening June 17th at 4PM ET / 1PM PT, led by Wayne
* Fix for cytoscape https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/982

## June 03, 2020
### Agenda

* #BlackLivesMatter

## May 27, 2020
### Agenda

#### Release Status
* HPA printer [#930](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/930)
* Graphviz memory leak [#951](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/951)

#### Current
* HPA printer [#930](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/930)
* Terminal bug fixes (various)
* Apply YAML [#954](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/954)
* Angular Update [#952](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/952)
* Reminder, Octant office hours: [schedule a time](https://calendly.com/wwitzel3/octant-office-hours?month=2020-05&date=2020-05-27).

#### Upcoming
* CNCF Webinar, June 3rd
* https://www.cncf.io/webinars/how-to-better-understand-k8s-workloads-using-octant/

#### Open Q&A - add your questions here
*

## May 20, 2020
### Agenda

#### Current
* Release 0.14 next week
* [Electron experimental preview](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/941)
* Migrating component documentation to Storybook
* Rethinking Resource Viewer
* https://calendly.com/wwitzel3/octant-office-hours?month=2020-05
*
### Open Q&A - add your questions here

## May 13, 2020
### Agenda

#### Demo
* Demo of plugin docs, work in progress.
* Demo of current master.

## May 06, 2020
### Agenda

#### Current
* Designing better resource access checks.
* Component documentation work.
* Container exec dropdown
* Resource viewer discussions
* drain

#### Since last week
* Editing merged [#885](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/903)
* Delete in object lists [#907](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/907)
* Plugins can now use label selectors [#908](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/908)
* Cache-Control, no more hard refreshes after the next release [#913](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/913)
* Fixed unclaimed PVCs causing a panic [#889](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/889)
* Show service account secrets [#905](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/905)
* New label/selector tooltips [#903](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/903)

#### Demo
* Current master

#### Technical discussion
* Resource Access
* Current state
* HasAccess, Per request, Backoff, Long lived cache
* New ideas
* SubjectRulesReview, Refresh periodically, Check/expire token

## April 29, 2020
### Agenda
* Editing PR [#885](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/885)
* Terminal streaming update [#887](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/887)
* More logging improvements [#879](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/879)
* The duality of Octant
* Electron experimentation continues, branch using electron-builder created.
* Identifying work that progesses both the Electron application and in-cluster forward is continuing.
* **TENTATIVE** Octant Hackathon
* June 17th - 23rd

### Open Q&A - add your questions here
* How is YAML editing validation going to work?
* Open API v2
* Inline validation integration with Monaco

## April 22, 2020
### Agenda
* Release 0.12 happening right now.
* [0.12 changes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/blob/master/changelogs/CHANGELOG-0.12.md)
* What's Next?
* Electron Application
* Auto-Updating
* Desktop Launching
* Windows users rejoice.
* YAML Editor
* First pass of simple editing ability.
* In-Cluster
* Continuing to work on this problem.
* Removing global context as we identify it.

### Open Q&A - add your questions here

## April 15, 2020
### Agenda
* Update on 0.12
* [combined logging](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/841)
* [plugin API changes (ActionRequest)](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/844)
* [navigation fixes](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/843)
* [breadcrumbs](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/834)
* Documentation
* Updating docs to be more user friendly
* Implementing search on the docs for even more user friendliness
* [End-to-end testing](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/810)
* Demo

### Open Q&A - add your questions here

## April 8, 2020
### Agenda
* Upcoming Release - 0.12
* Navigation Update! [#812](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/812)
* Huge thanks to Milan, Sam, and Ross!
* Persistent volume panic [#814](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/814)
* Grid actions component [#801](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/801)
* Event/Action namespacing [#820](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/820)
* Potentially breaking if your plugin uses any internal actions or events. To date, we do not know of any plugins that do this.
* Create objects [#803](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/803)
* This was enabled for plugins as well.
* Demo!

### Open Q&A - add your questions here

## April 1, 2020
### Agenda
* Released 0.11.1
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/releases/tag/v0.11.1
* Bryan Liles - Domain Driven Development

### Open Q&A - add your questions here

## March 25, 2020
### Agenda
* Released 0.11
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/releases/tag/v0.11.0
* Upcoming Focus
* Documentation
* Clarity is the theme:
* Seperate user content, creator content (plugins), and core content.
* Focus on distinction between octant.dev and markdown in repo.
* Clear guide for getting started writing a plugin.
* Clear guide for getting started using Octant.
* Electron Application
* Navigation redesign to support running in electron.
* Breadcrumbs
* Better CRD handling
* Loading without a kubeconfig
* Plugin Management
* Settings
* Plugin API v1
* Address the outstanding issues for the v1 epic.
* Allow plugins to provide HTML/JS assests (aka WebComponent)
* Documentation (see above)
* Next Up
* Resource Editing
* Resource Viewer
* Workload Viewer
* Object Status
* Future
* In-Cluster
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/tree/in-cluster-proposal
* Octant Office Hours
* https://calendly.com/wwitzel3/octant-office-hours
every Thursday from 13:00-17:00 EDT
* Demo
* Milan - Vertical navigation updates. https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/340

### Open Q&A - add your questions here
* [andy shiefelbein] Ability to run raw html / javascript as a plugin (https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/695)
* Is it possible to do standard html / javascript without the need to use the octant wraper for elements?
* Not yet, but we want to and will enable this. Likely as some kind of `WebComponent`. We'll have to think about it a bit more. Will update the issue accordinly.
* [sfoo] What do we think about using https://compodoc.github.io/compodoc-demo-todomvc-angular/ as a way to document Angular components?
* Pros:
* Cons:

## March 18, 2020
### Agenda
* Last PR in review for 0.11
* Terminal PR
* Upcoming prorities for Octant
* Electron/Application
* Editing
* Plugin API v1
* Future work
* In-Cluster
* Better networking support
* Demo
* New Terminal flow
* Memory improvements

### Open Q&A - add your questions here
* Sam - Do we want to move the Namespace picker?
* We'll leave it here.
*
## March 11, 2020
### Agenda
* Moved logger to pkg. Octant does not require importing internal to build plugins
* Revisting client-go version [#766](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/766)
* Added remaining components to unmarshal

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
* Does Octant have plans to support a graph component? [#765](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/765)

## March 04, 2020
### Agenda
* Next release soon™, waiting on these:
* Monaco YAML viewer
* Logger interface moved to pkg
* Terminal moved to tab
* CRD links not working after context changes
* Nice-to-have: Fix nightly in Github actions and remove drone
* Upcoming priorities
* Documentation
* Component Unmarshaling (important to Plugins)
* Electron Application
* Resource Viewer
* Navigation
* Fluid
* Octant In-Cluster
* Office Hours:
* https://calendly.com/wwitzel3/octant-office-hours

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
* Is it possible, or on the roadmap, to group / organize CRDs in the navigation menu?
* 4 tekton and argo workflow and it was already too much.
*
* Add your link here Andy!
* https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710868/ -- my update based on: https://github.com/airshipit/airshipui
* Issue around creating and passing a dashboard to plugin functions for testing
* the TestHandlers currently errors out with: register.go:94: Unexpected call to *fake.MockDashboard.List
*

## February 26, 2020
### Agenda
* Latest bug fixes and updates
* Plugins can update summary sections [#718](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/718)
* Plugin tabs duplicated [#728](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/728)
* Status indictors [#716](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/716)
* Logging epic updates [#660](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/660)
* Azure Kubernetes Terminal
* Azure Kubernetes Logging
* Reminder, we have nightlies
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant#nightly-builds
* Proposal Review
* Combined Logging [#733](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/733)

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
* Dependency updates (Milan)
* dep check during CI/Actions running
* dev deps have lower concern
* try to keep deps and transitive deps Apache2 and friends.
* Issue [#448](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/448) open to PRs? Guidance would be helpful

## February 19, 2020
### Agenda
* [Security Fix](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/security/advisories/GHSA-gpjj-rqgr-4pqp)
* Angular9 has landed in master
* Logging Updates (Milan)
* UI updates
* Plugin examples repo [octant-example-plugins](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant-example-plugins)

### Shoutout
* Persistant Volume Printer / Jordan Jensen & Andy Schiefe
* Multi-Context Logging / Jack Wink
* Octant RCE Bug / Jack Wink

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
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## February 12, 2020
### Agenda
* Introducing Milan!
* Plugin updates.
* service.Request is now an interface [#645](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/645)
* Get no longer returns a found bool [#643](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/643)
* DashboardClient Create and Delete coming
* Unmarshal all the things [#646](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/646)
* [Actions example plugin](https://github.com/wwitzel3/octant-actions-plugin)
* Logging updates. [#660](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/660)
* Angular9 back in progress. [#665](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/665)
* YAML viewer (Monaco) updates soon unblocked.
* allows us to lazy load components :+1:
* we hope, we think, probably

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
* More example plugins? Best practices, patterns?
* Yes, we want to have a set of example plugins.
* We want to provide narrative documentation around plugins.
* We want to have best practices around plugins and create some common conventions.
* When will the Octant plugin page be up?
* Soon(tm)

### Technical
* Walk-Through: Octant Printers (during if time, else after)
* Discuss patterns / conventions used and why.
* Narrative documentation about how to create a component.

## February 5, 2020
### Agenda
* [0.10.1 released](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/releases/tag/v0.10.1)
* bug fixes
* Update to Angular 9 blocked by next Clarity release
* Move to Github Actions WIP see #[627](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/627)
* Plugin Epic (Polychrome) #[613](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/613)
* Electron Epic (Denali) #[550](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/550)
* [jonas] Plugins page on octant.dev will be created shortly

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

## January 29, 2020
### Agenda
* [0.10 released](https://octant.dev/octant-0.10-release/)
* bug fixes coming in 0.10.1
* Electron prototyping
* Angular9
* Monaco
* octant-vulnerabilities-plugin by Daniel Pacak from Aqua Security

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!
* (dpacak) What's the status of adding buttons / action handlers in custom plugins?
* Soon, https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/421

## January 22, 2020
### Agenda
* 0.10 update, releasing this week!
* After 0.10, priorities
* plugins
* documentation
* application
* workflow improvements
* Monaco integration (read-only at first)

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

* (jdolitsky) Providing Kube context to plugins? See [#459](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/459)

## January 14, 2020
### Agenda
* 0.10 update
* Terminal demo
* Plugins
* API consistency
* remove dependency on internal
* add WebComponent (custom js/html)
* Community meeting cadence. (going weekly, Wednesdays at 1PM ET / 10AM PT)
* Come dig into the "[good first issue](https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22good+first+issue%22)" issues!

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

* [Gary Smith] Can we run Octant without having an active K8s connection, for bootstrap scenarios?
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/362
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/454

## December 10, 2019
### Agenda
* What big changes are going into the next release?
* Create workload viewer: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/452
* Implement quick-switcher: https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/pull/434
* Plugins!
* State of the ecosystem
* Current known plugins
* https://github.com/topics/octant-plugin
* Plugin wishlist
* https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/octant/issues/471
* Moving to GitHub Actions

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

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## November 12, 2019
### Agenda

* Review upcoming release (0.10)
* What's coming next?
* https://octant.dev is live!!

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

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## October 8, 2019
### Agenda

* Review upcoming release (0.8)
* Aiming for Thursday/early next week
* What's coming next?
* Still working on the Octant landing page

### Open Q&A - add your questions here!

*

### Notes

* octant 0.9:
* more editing of k8s objects
* allow plugins to extend in this area
* better docs around new action model (they are used to power current editing capabilities)
* being able to exec within a container
* viewing deployments at the application level - using guidance from "recommended labels"
* when your app is using these labels, we can show it using that label display, using existing resource viewer. label instead of "ownerRef"
* integration with things like helm
* fix open plugin bugs
* adding new components as-needed
* have identified some performance and memory issues, so sam & wayne are working on narrowing these down
* will hold next release (0.9) until memory issue is fixed
* cutting release of 0.8 on Thu 10/10
* memory issue:
* we've known of the memory issue for awhile. it has become worse lately.
* have run into it a bit recently
* wayne drafting up a proper ticket for it today
* if things are looking good for memory issue, we will hold 0.8 to wait for its fix. if not, we'll release 0.8 on 10/10 and then potentially follow up 0.8.1 for the memory issue
* octant website will be up "soon". next community call should have something to show. keep an eye out for that!
* will investigate adding nightly builds

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## September 10, 2019
### Agenda

* Introduction
* Review 0.7
* Websockets walk through
* Open discussion

### Notes

* Octant website is coming soon!
* Examples apps for testing Octant with Kubernetes
* https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/microservices-demo