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2017/11/8 會議記錄 ===== ## 討論商業廣告 Examples: - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-J-zeKyCdS-nWhuilD - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/reply/AV-UrhXbyCdS-nWhuitz R: 一開始提出是覺得太多商業廣告 前兩天太多 過了幾天才發現是詐騙潮 各種 7-11 禮券詐騙潮,加入什麼幹嘛 還有中油詐騙 500 元、台鐵 130 週年等等 一開始覺得太多不想看 後來發現這是很 popular 的詐騙,好像要處理一下 但這次的量會讓人感受到困擾 一開始是覺得,商業的文章我就不想管他 但確實是有謠言的存在,所以非常為難 MrOrz: 有重複的狀況進來嗎? ### 台灣之星 https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-btOnGyCdS-nWhui1j https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-btJrmyCdS-nWhui1i (含有相同連結) https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-a8E_6yCdS-nWhui0w (文字不同,需要 better snippet) :::info 須注意,不是所有含有相同連結的文章都該被視為同一個。例如說,安定力量的文章都有相同的 footer: https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-36_ToyCdS-nWhujFD https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-349NAyCdS-nWhujFA ::: ### 台鐵 130 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-X0logyCdS-nWhuiyD - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-UPjsPyCdS-nWhuitc - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-UPjsKyCdS-nWhuitb (100% duplicate with previous one) - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-UNdUfyCdS-nWhuitY (含有相同連結) :::success **〖結論〗** Duplicate post 應該會要被 LINE 完全擋住,已開 ticket -- https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/issues/41 ::: ### Open將 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-ZZtRnyCdS-nWhuiyt - ### 高鐵 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-ZDCtHyCdS-nWhuiyY ### 澎湖 消費券 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-RqfMWyCdS-nWhuisU - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-MrCgQyCdS-nWhuioQ - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-NL_tGyCdS-nWhuioi - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-RhkgdyCdS-nWhuisP R:還不知道是謠言之前,就覺得很煩,因為很多 在看到 mygopen 之後才發現是假的 現在有沒有比較好的處理方式 Bil: 這一波應該是特例,就像是之前 Facebook 的假社團 MrOrz: 技術上能做的事情是,可以不要處理 Bil: 就是 7-11 的咖啡券一樣,如果回報數夠大的話再處理,因為人夠多才有公共性,不然不用處理 Lucien: 他會有 outdated 的問題嗎 R: 以謠言來說很難 outdated MrOrz: 如果有人寫「不在查證範圍」 現在就不會增加「幾人回報」 我覺得這個可以改,改成有人搜尋時點擊他也送一個 ReplyRequest。只是可能就不要叫 reply request 了,因為更像是叫點閱數。 這樣一來,編輯遇到商業文就可以先選「不在查證範圍」,但又能累積點閱數,等到點閱真的很高之後再回頭來看。 MrOrz:那覺得要做當月最多人回報嗎 R&H:我們覺得不用,編輯近來想做的是闢謠,但最多人問這個分類不知道對編輯有什麼幫助。 :::success **〖結論〗** - Duplicate post 應該會要被 LINE 完全擋住,已開 ticket -- https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/issues/41 - 只要使用者在 LINE bot 的搜尋結果裡點擊文章,就增加一個 reply request -- 需要討論細節 requirement。 - 這個做完之後,就可以鼓勵編輯遇到類似的就直接給「不在查證範圍」+ 商業訊息 - 真的很多 reply request 的話,可以在 most asked 裡頭看到,所以可以回頭看 ::: ## 惡意 spamming ### 二手衣物 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-XD8-gyCdS-nWhuiwy - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-XDzhryCdS-nWhuiwx ### 中華電信廣告 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-Zh8KPyCdS-nWhuiyz - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-Zh8DOyCdS-nWhuiyy ### 愛滋巴納納 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-VKITPyCdS-nWhuivN - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-VKGbvyCdS-nWhuivM - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-VJjtMyCdS-nWhuivK (first 3 is the same) - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-VKDg1yCdS-nWhuivL :::info 前三個很微妙 是三個不同人推進來的,時間相隔幾秒 像是三個人收到同一則訊息然後不約而同傳進來⋯⋯ 所以就會得到一個 race condition: A、B、C 收到同一則訊息 A、B、C 查詢的時候都還沒有資料,所以進入送出 article 流程 A、B、C 按下送出 --> 因為寫入資料庫時沒有檢查,所以資料庫得到 3 個一模一樣的訊息⋯⋯ 已將觀察紀錄到 https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/issues/41 ::: ### 8歲補習班之死 - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-MOvwhyCdS-nWhuinh - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-MNypJyCdS-nWhuing - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-MNm9ayCdS-nWhuinf - https://cofacts.g0v.tw/article/AV-MNcH_yCdS-nWhuine (totally the same article, but different URLs) :::success **〖結論〗** - Duplicate post 應該會要被 LINE 完全擋住,已開 ticket -- https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/issues/41 - 需要爬 URL -- https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/issues/41 ::: ## 小聚籌備 - 邀請狀況 - 蘭姆酒吐司這次不會來,12 月 ok - 小草無法 - 彥汝、怡蓁、善加、mglee等人可以來 - 是否要做主題闢謠?要與英凱確認 - 確定活動流程:是否邀請英凱、本次是否為主題性闢謠? R: 是否要改成雙月小聚 一致通過。 MrOrz:專業的 case study Hazel: 但英凱 3 點前要走,要請他分享才能闢謠 Hazel: 新手要邀請嗎? R: 邀請一下 mglee MrOrz: 是否要推播? Hazel, R: ok R: 可以在貼解說的時候,也一起推編輯小聚 MrOrz: 可以解說+編輯小聚、然後隔幾天再編輯小聚 比鄰有準備 http://beta.hackfoldr.org/cofacts/https%253A%252F%252Fhackmd.io%252Fs%252FHygGaMg1z http://beta.hackfoldr.org/cofacts/https%253A%252F%252Fhackmd.io%252Fs%252FHJwT3JouW ## Outreach :::success **〖結論〗** - LINE:參考[前次會議記錄](http://beta.hackfoldr.org/cofacts/https%253A%252F%252Fhackmd.io%252Fs%252FB15v54U0Z) - GGM 寫信 - Rosalind 再見面講 - mygopen:邀請來小聚,要用哪個票? - 沒票都可以,邀請就對了 XD by MrOrz - Other outreach targets? - 把之前的 contacts 整理起來 - Hazel 開表單 ::: ## Naming MrOrz: 想要拿 cofacts 作為專案的名稱,「真的假的」作為 LINE bot 名稱。 因為現在有點難區隔「專案」、「LINE bot」、「網站」等實體。 這樣之後專案下有新的服務出現,也可以不一定要用「真的假的」這個名字。 R: 用「平台」或「機器人」分隔應該就可以 只要我們有共識中文名字是「Cofacts 真的假的」還是「真的假的 Cofacts」就好。 Hazel: 會混淆應該是對到大眾的那段 資料庫我們命名就好 網站對編輯與使用者都是同樣的 MrOrz: 我英文都用 Cofacts 中文是用 Cofacts 真的假的 Hazel: 網站比較麻煩,要說是「闢謠區」之類的 因為轉傳訊息滿明確的 MrOrz: 最直接就是「官方網站」 > 現在加入 Cofacts 真的假的官方網站 > 馬上成為闢謠編輯 > > [name=Rosalind] :::success 〖結論〗 - LINE bot 名字 = `.:真的假的 - 轉傳訊息查證:.` - 網站 = `Cofacts 真的假的官方網站` - 專案 = `Cofacts 真的假的` ::: ## 新 Release note (Blog post) - Tabbed "new reply" sections - Better hackfoldr structure - Future directions in developments - Deps, refactor stuff, unit tests - URL preview ## 阿端提議的討論? - 未來想像:短、中、長期的目標 - 待加強的部分:編輯社群、使用者社群....等 - ToolKit:哪些內容應該放進去? ## 貼圖 - 報價討論 - Hazel請對方開24個貼圖,對方報價開兩個。 目前價格一組24個計算,對方有提到 每一張單價1600,整體38400,含稅40020 有聯名的報價首年次年後年的分潤40%-20%-10% 不分潤是錢都歸他們或是錢都歸我們 R:就歸他們吧 MrOrz: 然後看他們能不能算便宜一點 分潤如果再討論 頭期款第一次80% 尾款20% 合作共識:著作屬於雙方共有 聯名會以一至推出 著作財產權共有使用時要按照指定方式,需要標注 創作者有著作人格權 我們想用在網站跟banner上都要談 有任何改作、重製就是雙方一起談,同意即可 專案結束前結清款項 有兩條跟抽成有關 貼圖結算日是發行當天開始算,一年結一次 販售由我們負責,對方不干涉販售過程。 買斷: 一張4000,整個費用含稅10800 我們比較屬於聯名嘛,對方也比較想要聯名。 我這邊會跟他們說用聯名比較好,請對方提供一個簡單的示意風格圖,如果大家都覺得還不錯就可以邊做這個邊簽約。 ## Line推播文 這次我們想邀請大家一起來提前慶祝感恩節,謝謝一路上支持著真的假的 Cofacts 的各位朋友們,也大力歡迎你的加入,一起來闢謠賞火雞吧!!請在連結填入報名表方便我們統計人數準備雞(?) 2017/11/19(日)14:00-17:00在台北有真的假的LINE BOT第五次的編輯小聚,請記得當日要攜帶電腦喔。 快來成為讓我們萬分感激的編輯伙伴~~。w。 報名這邊請 ➡️ https://cofacts.kktix.cc/events/cofacteditor5

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