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    Cofacts 23rd 編輯小聚 小松果 ==== 參與者30位,坐滿坐爆 Nathalie Benedict Eden 以謙 欣郁 元皓 卡比 james Frank 雅慧 Dawn 程榮 風秤子 Frances 貓大師 Jason 忠輝 彤 Ruby Alice Catherina Ray Lucien keyholder:Ronny 工作人員:orz,bil,文武 ![](https://i.imgur.com/CNUemPq.png) Jason 看看平台有沒有能力成為ptt第2,ptt以前回應很客觀,但裡面資訊變複雜了,偏執。 觀摩新的開發工具,jason的同事。收集訊息有沒有新的思維可以吸收交流 Eden看到 chatbot很好,一年多疫情很多假訊息,會影響國家社會,造成身邊家人朋友恐慌,有些訊息覺得很假,不知道去哪裡查證。 加入之後覺得很開心有這一群人自動發起的,我很感動,收到志工訊息就二話不說加入,進一點微薄心力和大家一起。 Ruby:看到很多人一起付出回應,給回應者評價,付出之後讓很多人看到訊息的正確,可以讓社會的假消息少一點。 Benedic:ptt鄉民。 當年最喜歡NetRumor,當年的澄清消息板。我今天來做這件事情這個傳教活動很好,我知道cofacts很久,但不知道如何開始,從今天開始有自己的帳號,有評價,還有教學,我覺得活動不錯。google 方便,但是出來的東西會不會正確也可以討論,這樣的網站比較客觀不帶個人情緒可以討論。 James:想了解這個平台不錯,知道是真的還是假的 我想到說,有一堆人要刻意去扭曲這些事情,把訊息灌到這裡,是不是會有影響。 orz:我們直接公開,社群如何回應會是可以累積案例的。 雅慧:前陣子有長輩LINE社群,分享真的假的訊息,被美玉姨糾正,很好奇美玉姨是誰,才查到真的假的團隊。這樣可以即時分享錯誤訊息是有問題的機制很好,我跟長照領域有關,希望相關訊息有貢獻機會。 Sevena: 家裡常常傳假新聞,看到cofacts推薦,我覺得他會主動推給你哪謝假消息 Dawn:之前在香港,有親戚被訊息影響。有受益就來回饋。 Frances:我常常收到長輩的熱情訊息,後來我發現會十個有七八個是假訊息 讓你覺得似真非真,還要跟長輩講說那個是假的,這件有點困難。看到這就想介紹給長輩 第二個是我小學校友群組一個學長在裡面公布訊息 年紀應該比我小,我看到年輕人很認真。你們真的很認真看每則訊息,還有寫回應。心裡很感動。 Frank:51年次 我小學同學的群組大家都知道屬性,我住木柵。1998年我受夠了,社會議題選舉議題,我們認識四十多年的朋友,每天400則的訊息,一開始熱情回應,後來發現我很慘。靠這樣的服務,讓我有很多彈藥資源,還是選擇沈默,有人有別人邀請美玉姨,但美玉姨被趕出去了。這個是政府滲透到群組,洗腦言論。想知道,我們主席說言論自由打破謠言是很正面的宗旨,我們需要更多建設解說這些意義價值。台灣跟整個世界多一個危機是謠言,我們沒有想過的 Navbe:家裡群組滿天飛,但邀請美玉姨被趕出去。他在裡面有被打臉的感覺,我就引導長輩去看私訊。我看到的真的是對的嗎,cofacts上的回應或是查核要怎麼確保正確性。 按讚是一個很好的方式,確認正確度。代表認定東西的程度多高,利用群眾的力量幫助大家,和whoscall回報很像。我覺得有趣,也希望自己在群組幫助大家。 彤: 進入cofacts寫前端,平常接觸都是城市,今天想要體驗接近編輯的部分。 Neal:兩年前接觸平台,我覺得最大的好處是查核的資訊可以重複使用,讓其他平台使用。 大家跟朋友澄清假消息的經驗就會發現只是一兩行跟幾篇的文章,澄清還不會被相信,所以重複使用價值很高。除了LINE,還有facebook。 卡比:之前12月底的編輯訪綱,今天來這裡回饋。 元號:看看cofacts公民參與查核,在這裡學習,我在法務部服務,另一個目的是政府接觸民間組織,請到部會開會,我們想合作研究計畫。不只是fb,LINE, youtube我還在思考。這是我學長 以謙:Jakor台師大防治中心法務部研究 最近接觸到假新聞的議題,但他可能是真的但有片面觀點誤導,他是真的訊息,但只有一部分,假新聞有很多類,有一些是未知的訊息,也無所謂,對身體沒有害處。台灣有對岸的假訊息,但對岸卻說自己是受害者。對我們法務部的官方立場,就在想怎麼合作,不只是封鎖假訊息,而是傳播真的訊息。時中部長談科學,但很難看不懂,但一甩手增加三年壽命都很開心。 2016就在使用了,元老級。未來在資安的說明可以讓長輩安心。支持韓國瑜會不會有家裡的紛爭。不見得是真假,而是立場問題。 Raymond 我是外商的政府事務,藝術專欄作家 之前用類似功能的bot,我是用mygopen 我用了四五年,幫助很多,你打臉他很多人不高興。吃荔枝可以多活20年。 從之前的查核工具受惠,我以後也可以當志工來回饋。另一個是我對真的假的有疑問。之前封掉川普為什麼華春瑩不用封。政治系的很難說真假,我在分到的卻是醫學COVID-19的文章,醫學查證有困難。 醫學跟科學有很多事不確定的,所以我也希望來這邊用相關的東西四五年要回饋專業,有一些假的我熟的我就可以幫忙,另一種是想知道查核機制現有如何看真的假的。真假不該使用多數決,例如哥白尼,大家覺得他說的是假的,很多時候科學是不能用投票的,要比較嚴謹認證。希望今天的機會了解界限在哪裡。和沒有辦法來的朋友知道查核標準的共識。 james 科學醫學,有時還沒有發表更多評論只是單一人的意見。大家評論只能就目前事實推斷評論,也不見得是訊息是真的,只是目前證據如此,了解這是如何推斷。這種聚會多累積不同領域的群眾,參與是個好是,尤其技能專長的工程師,youtube和facebook已經開發中,越多的平台可以使用類似技術會更好,最好是大家都在同一個地方使用。多人做的話才會準確,假消息要花超多時間來查核,像我會來也是長輩po東西,我以前先google再跟他們說,現在集合大家的力量統合是比較好的。 Alice:查核過程幫別人看查得好不好,可以增加自己的知識,回應過程中有些自己不擅長,但可以透過搜尋引擎豐富見聞,自己受惠很多。自己的知識提升滿好的。 ronny: g0v 影響力調查問卷,收集專案參與者對g0v的想像期待。 Lucien:在募資,編輯一直很缺乏,去年有贊助,希望補助非常優秀的編輯,例如超過400篇,那之後就可以獲得獎助金,希望讓查核志工可以獲得報誘因,長期永續發展下去。 文武:我是工程師 家霖 健康或是飲食,一看就知道是假消息。沒辦法跟他們說是假消息,三年前第一次接觸到cofactsapp, 好用,但是老人跟同事不會直接查證訊息來源,因為下面寫幫忙分享,就會很可笑。 orz:第二階段 bil cofacts 與美玉姨的差別 - propietrary - 還是會需要一個 open source solution 比較好 - 群組回應比較少 --- 2:00 - 2:10 先放影片 然後介紹 Cofacts 專案(讓 ronny 繼續開門 / 協調一個人幫忙開門) 介紹 mission 之前進行場地介紹 自我介紹放中間(mission 1 之後) - 因為看過了回應,也有革命情感,有更多東西分享

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