# Meeting - 28 July 2025

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## Meeting Info

This is the UK Carpentry Community space for the UK Carpentry instructors, helpers and workshop coordinators (or anyone involved in training tech to researchers in general and outside of the UK) to get to know each other better, update the commmunity about developments, discuss issues and ideas, and encourage collaboration.

During these meetings, we will be conforming to [The Carpentries Code of Conduct](https://docs.carpentries.org/policies/coc).

**Meeting schedule: meetings happen on 4th Monday each month, 16:00-17:00 UK time, BST (UTC+1) or GMT (UTC+0) depending on the time of the year**

**Meeting details are shared via [local-uk mailing list](https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk) and [The Carpentries community calendar](https://carpentries.org/community/#community-events).**

- [Community's HackMD workspace](https://hackmd.io/team/local-uk?nav=overview)
- [Previous & upcoming meetings](https://hackmd.io/V3ReKkEESzqyCNxWJdulOw#Meeting-Notes)
- [Meeting notes template](https://hackmd.io/hgl1tYhOTTqDsIDwjArE5w)
- [Chairing rota](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkPK1Si7F)
- [Guest speaker sign-up](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd)

**Zoom URL:** https://zoom.us/j/95360073649

## Meeting Minutes

- **Chair:** Andrew Walker
- _Make sure to email <[e-mail]> after the meeting with trainee instructors who joined for the community discussion as part of the checkout_
- **Timekeeper:** Andrew Walker
- **Notetaker:** Aman? Happy to help :)

### Agenda

0. Assign notetaker & timekeeper
1. Sign in & ice-breaker
1. Review of actions
3. Announcements
4. Guest speaker + Q&A
5. Instructor Training checkout questions
6. Wrap-up/AOB

### Sign-in

Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout:

1. Andrew Walker / he, him / Oxford
2. Aman Goel / he, him / University of Manchester, Software Sustainability Institute
3. Stavrina Dimosthenous / she|her / Henry Royce Institute, University of Manchester
4. Esther Turner / she,her / National Oceanography Centre
5. Philip Dorsch / IT Center - RWTH Aachen University / (checkout)
6. F. Andreu / Durham University
7. Aleks Nenadic, SSI & Uni of Manchester
8. Colin Sauze / he, him / National Oceanography Centre
9. Andrew Gait / he,him / RSE, University of Manchester

### Notes

- Ice breaker / intro. Best ice cream of the year.

### Review of actions

- [X] How can we promote this group and its meetings? - Discussion topic for this call
- Action: track down list of institutional mailing lists, share to them. (eg local library/RSE teams) - Outreach about UK-Carpentry community via UK-RSE and Turing Way? Maybe other channels? - We can plug it in Instructor Training as well (we mention it on UK instructor training events)

- [X] Change of date for 25th August meeting? (Bank Holiday) - Skipping August meeting
- Dedicate the September meeting to Training Satellite Day at RSE Con recap

- [X] Update Carpentries CoC URL in the meeting notes template - Done - Aman to verify

### Announcements

- **Training Community Day @ RSECon25 (Hybrid)** - Satellite event
- **Registrations open!** Both online and in-person
- **Register here:** bit.ly/RSECon25Training (lu.ma/mm03rimf)
- **Deadline:** In-person Registrations – 5th August 2025, 23:59 BST / Online Registrations – Accepted on a rolling basis
- **Note:** *The Training Community Day is independent from the main RSECon event, and folks are welcome to register for it even if they are not attending RSECon.*
- **Training Community Day @ RSECon website:** rsecon25.society-rse.org/training-community-day
- **For queries:** [e-mail]
- [Careers and Skills for Data-driven Research (CaSDaR) Hybrid Event Launch](https://www.eventbrite.com/e/careers-and-skills-for-data-driven-research-casdar-hybrid-event-launch-tickets-1496323607189)
- Related [ Careers and Skills for Data-driven Research (CaSDaR)](https://www.southampton.ac.uk/research/projects/careers-skills-for-data-driven-research-casdar)
- Related [DIRECT Framework](https://github.com/direct-framework/digital-research-competencies-framework) - Also in touch with [ARDC](https://ardc.edu.au) and different communities
- RSE UK Slack: https://forms.gle/eU6536gnRtyCVGyh9
- Teaching and Training SIG: https://society-rse.org/teaching-and-training-sig

### Discussion / Talk

#### How to promote this group?

- There are probably lots of instructions and Carpentries community members in the UK
- We should try to coordinate and promote this group, as well as think about the different activities
- Developing training
- Coordinating effort and activities
- Also overlaps with the RSE UK Teaching & Training SIG (https://society-rse.org/teaching-and-training-sig)
- The SIG could create a mailing list for training leads?
- Or we can signpost people here?
- FA: It's their first meeting, came across it randomly and only knew of the US meetings from The Carpentries
- AG: We could look at different advertisement routes
- RSE Groups in all the different institutions
- SSI can help as well
- RSE Society
- Teaching and Training SIG?
- SSI Fellows?
- [RCM Coop](https://www.rcmcooperative.com)?
- AG: [DisCouRSE](https://discourse-network.github.io) and other UKRI Network+ grants could be used for coordination work - we should keep in loop with them
- AN: T&T SIG - it's just starting off this week
- This group can feed into what we want from the SIG
- There is a steering group and new members who are interested in contributing will join soon
- Could connect to skills and competencies work - DIRECT
- We could have co-working sessions for doing such work
- We got to reduce meetings but still make sure we are not in silos overall
- AG: SIG and this community can be advertised together as well, as the SIG is just taking off
- AW: SIG and UK Carpentries community probably have the greatest overlap
- AG: We should make the training satellite event annual rather than ad-hoc
- SIG and this community could help with this
- Can also collaborate and do talks / events

### Instructor Training checkout questions

- [Checkout process - Get Involved](https://carpentries.github.io/instructor-training/checkout.html#attend-a-regional-call-skill-up-session-or-other-community-programming)
- The Carpentries Slack - https://slack-invite.carpentries.org
- This community is #local-uk on The Carpentries Slack
- Also on TopicBox - https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk
- Different regional communities: https://carpentries.org/community/get-connected
- #local-dach on Slack for Germany, Austria and Switzerland

### Wrap-up/AOB

- Feedback from a new Instructor perspective: It can be overwhelming to look at all the resources and different information
- Would have to filter the relevant information and then decide how to engage with The Carpentries community
- Next meeting is [September 22nd 2025](https://hackmd.io/3MR4yeyWQoydzzj0IFAzEg?both)

### Action points

From the discussion about promoting and strategising for the UK Carpentries community:
- [ ] Decide if and how to merge with Training & Teaching SIG
- [ ] Coordinate with different training groups, get info on who can lead at each institution (e.g. who coordinates Carpentries membership)
- [ ] AW: We can have leaders for each group - Oxford has recently become a Carpentries form
- [ ] AG: Can also have adjacent communities like OLS in touch?
- [ ] Have a Google form opened to collect this info perpetually - e.g. at the start of every meeting
- [ ] Discussion can be continued at the RSECon Satellite event! - **Aman and Aleks** can look into this
- [ ] Email [e-mail] after the meeting with trainee instructors who joined for the community discussion as part of the checkout - Aleks?
- [X] AG: Also to be done for June meeting if note done yet!
- [ ] Cancel calendar invite and send email notice for August meeting - Aleks?
- [ ] Update meeting notes template - Aman