# MetaCAugs Meeting 2020-03-03

Lets try keeping collaborative notes!

Ok! My first time on keeping collaborative notes ;-)

From Roland Legrand to Everyone: 09:03 PM
This is the fed wiki http://roland.wiki.openlearning.cc/view/welcome-visitors

Miro map

https://miro.com/welcomeonboard/JH2JzTAxONS5Pfu4GC8c2Mm1I8onWt0AdcNuNbIfvMhgXfChG6eIb0NM9gt6ptx4

# Wrangling:

- Install Keybase
- Paste link from this HackMD into Keybase so that Joe can join

# Demo

Looking at a cool tool that relays content from one real-time system to another

# Agenda

- Workshop on the Future of peer learning using McGonigal strategy

## Warming up exercise
- Reference in the Federated Wiki: Simulation
- This is a pattern that involves counterfactual strategies

[Counterfactual thinking > Simulation (step 1?) > What-if...](http://roland.wiki.openlearning.cc/view/welcome-visitors/view/simulation)

### **Predict the past**: Look forward in order to be able to look back

Charles: I got on a bus to do a coaching session about 30 minutes. I might have missed the session, enjoying an unexpectedly sunny afternoon, avoiding a confrontation, and doing other work. How would you have felt? Guilty and [giddy] (https://www.wordreference.com/enit/giddy). Where would you have been? Outside, it was a beautiful day.

Joe: similar example? What if I hadn't taken the job at OpenMarkets...?

Roland: This morning I didn't take the train and am feverishly drawing a mindmap, rather than continuing the journalism job, I simply quit. My project is now to establish a traditional martial arts dojo in Antwerp. The futuer is wide open now. I am attending a video conference with a friend in Okinowa, and another friend has experience running bars... thinking about next steps... I have one eye on the video conference and another on the mind map. The journey will be fascinating. This was my daydream.

Mariette: I think I did it wrong but I'll read it. Today I went in the train and got in a car going back to the city, going north. There were delays getting in, due to the [pandemic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic). It's yellow alert, so I cancelled all my meetings and went to a cafe up the line. I was sad that my half-interesting idea was wasted on the locals in this sleepy beach town. Distances were somehow longer now.

## Next exercise: Remember the future

Do a Google search and look for the words 'future peer learning'. Look for interesting signals. New ideas, new behaviors, focusing on specific things that make you (us) thinks.

Signals > cue > indicator >

**Joe**: _Ideas inspired by notes on **[Greatest Flops Remixed](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IjBxK1lhgbnW03dJB75_V6XlUnlkW3SC2QtY0KM7ksw/edit#)**._

- Wikipedia has become an entirely acceptable for referencing, maybe due to Wikicite allowing people to bridge to other references.
- We have created an international co-operative organisation that supports students with free tuition, job placement, and study abroad opportunities.
- We have extended the system that Robert pointed us to (matterbridge) into an AI tool that not only relays messages from one place to another but also makes them digestible, providing custom learning pathways for any subject (babblefish?).

**(1) What change does it represent? What are we evolving towards?**

- Interlingua, presentation in relevant ways b/c it knows what you are doing

**(2) What's driving this?**

- Unbridled capitalism
- The advance in technology
- nano-technology that allows embedding matterbridge
- materials

**Charles**: _ten years from now..._

- the matterbridge is embedded digitally, virtually, internally in our biological neural , interfacing seamlessly and fluidly with anyone else's matterbridge who is in our chosen trusted networks.
[account/ adjust for filter bubbles and echo chambers... ?? how??]
- this allows true interoperability, which has been a reality for around seven years already.
- also all tools are open source allowing data sovereignty and effective, scalable collaboration and knowledge gardening.
- harvesting, accessing and digesting collective wisdom is fun, fast and fruitful.

**Mariette**: my signals are related to my daily needs and an emotional relationship to those I trust. This is related to being a life-long wearer of glasses. I use the augmentation feature on my glasses. They allow me to see artifacts built into streets. Interested to see which businesses were where in the past. When I switch to private channels I see what my friends have to say about these places. I am excited to see that the icecream place down the street is owned by anarchists who only buy their ingredients from local food suppliers.

**Robert**: "Learning is earning"... imagine 10 years in the future... there would be edu-blocks, blockchains representing all the things we've learned. There are already 'learning record stores'. My signal was there would be p2p versions of this, so we could do reputation-based ways of accounting, so we break from formal institutions giving us the edu-blocks. This quickly leads into shadow world. If everything is incentivised through money...

**Michael Linton**: Nothing much to say...


**(3) What would the world look like if these facilities become widespread?**

People are already present in more than one narrative. People's attention spans are changing and you can't get people to give you more than 6 to 10 seconds. Maybe people would be more distracted. That's a troubling and good question. How loudly would someone play music on their headphones... Will it drown out the environment or augment/complement the environment.

**Shadow imagination**

What would you worry about?

- "I generally reside in the 'shadow' and find it hard to find the positive."
- If you go with trusted, you can get a risk of filter bubbles.

Token? Help me about this concept...
Token = reward?
Token = Symbolic reward?

M Linton ref. book, 'Overstory'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Overstory

**Mariette** Agency: bypass control for entry within a certain regime of control? Maybe these tech ideas are most useful for existing in another governance model. E.g. looking at concepts 'employee/employer' and its relationship to health.

Birds flocking, don't nec. need to think about getting their wings in shape... Humans might....
- motivation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmergy

**Robert explaining**: gaining a benefit through tokens. Something like LinkedIn endorsements. E.g. being offered different opportunities. A lot of things can be seen as currencies. Some accounting of different flows of informations: credits, diplomas.

**Joe**: So whereas Harvard and LinkedIn are centralised things, we could have a p2p version. These are personal data that can be managed as you want.

- The ability to express things like appreciation but in a way that isn't owned by some other system.
- "see ourselves as others see us" (Robert Burns)

**Graziano**: I have some problem with computer connection (no signals: I'm not joking)

**Graziano**: About Joe question (if I understood): which kind of reward hic et nunc? So many ideas, so many possibilities to work on them - with them.
(True!)

“O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!" Or, in modern English, “Oh would some Power the gift give us, to see ourselves as others see us.”

**Graziano** Rewards: to see people (colleague) to work live while you are looking at them (observe them).

**Graziano**: I learn so much: this is a reward? To me yes! There are many ways to spend tuesday evening. Three weeks of participation, so many skills to reuse in my job... (a little bit naive?)

**Charles**:
emergent #coronawisdom telegram channel of cicolab.org
https://t.me/joinchat/KFwHIRjDklH2hYfqDeSGLQ

**Melanie**: Thinking about ... natural food expo. Something interesting happened with Corvid-19. People creating personas forward. They presented a lot of information to connect producers and consumers. What they didn't see is underlying Google Docs. They had brands, service providers, investors that pulled out that were no longer going to the event. As people started to assert that they weren't going, people who connected to different forms of social capital... people were already on the way... but the organization was officially shut down? Gamification
89000 people. But anyone from Italy and China was now cut out. Then corporate policies kicked in and different vendors bowed out. BUT then the whole community came together, with updates that they were still having the event until Monday. Then when people were already arriving they decided to close it down. 4 different voices spoke loudly, showing the complex complicated system. It was a mass group of 1000s of people who were collectively voicing their voices both quietly and loud.

**Mariette**: People in Annaheim didn't actually want all the people to come this week. Govt's have issues of control.

**Melanie**: Lots of differences e.g. economically, regarding brands that were just launching. The 4 primary voices -- how does this affect the way people come together. Lauren's idea of giving everyone profiles and looking at the profiles.

**Lauren**: I am grasping at the connection.

**Melanie**: You have the personas that are engaging publicly and those that have a quieter voice. These may not allow others to connect in. The idea of blocking the engagement of others, or blocking the way we engage. In ways that prevent us from collaborating. It may encourage certain kinds of collaboration and not others. This promotes the loudest people. E.g., what about people who put money in and might go bankrupt now? Could 4 voices make all of that happen in 48 hours?

- A related example: [Peer to Peer Learning in Unusual Places: Jury Duty](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eG1y6KIwKaBCY_jxj0Z6IYIYu3yE9HHzNuUMzcRJ6QE/edit)

**Mariette**: A culture of not recognizing stakeholders, resting on some specific 'egoic' concept. Instead of looking at deeper polling tools. Carol Sanford, regenerative business. If you want to do anything in a regenerative way, you must ground things into place.

**Charles**: This goes back to listening and observing the whole system. From a totally other context, it happened to me where I was part of a team on a project where I was supporting and doing some mapping and scribing, but I didn't emphasize output and work product. It's another context.... but it reminds me, having something recognizable, vs doing a role that is less seen or unseen.

**Roland**: Is there a chance that this would happen in 10 years?

**Joe**: Let's not wait 10 years, let's think about norms we can implement now.

**Roland**: In many open source communities things are not smooth (critique of Linus Torvalds for example can be toxic and violent in his dealings with people who just want to contribute; also Wikipedia is not a paradise of interpersonal relationships). So this will not come automatically. We need some kind of patterns. Tokens have the advantage of helping us think about the system. Maybe tokens are not always the solution, but then it's up to us to think of other mechanisms to have a different kind of relationship. Otherwise it involves depending on the good will of a few people - with 10 maybe that's OK but with 100 it could become very complicated. Even in the holy peeragogy handbook ... maybe there are patterns that can say something about recognition of peers?

**Joe**: Publication, yes, but work on publishing for the right audience. E.g., Tufts not so much. But is there a way to get things out for a more appreciative audience.

**Charles**: You can infer lack of appreciation, or you can find real appreciation, there's a gradation of feedback and feeling there.

*****

No way till now to get Zoom: so I've learnt to have a recovery parallel chat to stay in, not to fall outside. I learnt this a couple of time ago. And I put in in my job. Straightful.

**Graziano**: Back to Zoom. Fiiiu!

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From melanie to Everyone: 10:43 PM
1. 7 first principles starting w/ place Carol Sanford: https://carolsanford.com/2018/06/116-first-principles-regeneration/
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building off Mariette’s share on Place

A kind of reward is to experience: "listen and to wait turn of word"

*****

Future work: to implement some of the other tools.
- Make a "signal group". People who exchange things that refer to today and to the future. What we do today will determine what happens in 10 years. We can't predict the future b/c we make it or fail to make it but anything we do will change the outcome.
- The signals are like the paint for the painter.

Signal group: collective print

**Charles**: "Corona wisdom"
**Joe**: listen (and think over) failures as signals
**Roland**: Consequences of consequences in pandemic

Super screen... please write down the definition...