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# Beyond Love

## TODO
* [ ] contact Maraike
* [ ] make a plan on how I can be involved
    * [ ] Take a look at the time plan


## Idea: working with a humanoid robot in the theater
* Problem: statistical questionaires change the experience of the show

## 2022.07.14 Talk with Kate
* systems that are trustworthy
    * how we build trust
* disembodiment
* post human sex-work
* post human feminism
* experience with conversations with people who use Harmony?

* what are the danges? What do we need to watch out for?
    * reductive stereotype
    * new forms of sex tech - not necessery human
    * worry: 
        * privacy, no control over data
        * deception - you have to be aware of the illusion
    * Education is important

* what is the role of the sex-robots in the future?
* positive post-humanism
    * adresses issues of misogynism
* how to make robots more femist?
* femonist wants to reject - but beauty of the craft is attractive
* book: "how machines move"
    * https://www.routledge.com/Moved-by-Machines-Performance-Metaphors-and-Philosophy-of-Technology/Coeckelbergh/p/book/9781032177724#
    * https://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Robots-Strategies-Success-Automation/dp/1459749022
    * https://www.gold.ac.uk/calendar/?id=8944
* sex robots are not unfamiliar: - e.g. we already do that with a carracter of the book or a film
    * interesting: rebots react - in a movie we have only our imagination
    * robots actions limit your imagination => connection 
* love doesn't have to be mutual
    * we build attachments to things/objects (emotional attachment to technology)
* Sex toys have been around very long - we don't build attachments to them
* H: "safety" and "freedom" are mutually excluseve (dating without risk is imposible) - risk = freedom
* love is a social force not just fulfilment of individual needs
* online dating helps democritysing love
* watch movie "HER"
* Book "End of Love"
* companon AI: "REPLIKA"
  https://replika.com/
* "projekt melody"
* https://fortune.com/2016/07/10/ashley-madison-chatbots/
* https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Projekt_Melody
* Google "lambda"
* EU AI act
* "this person doesn't exist" - AI create pictures
* Robot adjusting to the user = a physical projection of users phantasy
* Kevin Louis - oganized "Sex and Hack" workshops
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/10/better-loving-through-technology-sex-toy-hackathon
* humans are good in separating between being rude to a robot and not transfering it to the real 
* random zero
  



## 2022.07.14 Talk with Yuefang
* Robot Acceptance
* Comodification in the field of social robotics
* Aspect of sexuality is attachment
* Technology changes the way we connect
    * do we create technology to cater to our communication style?
* [ ] How much do people really interact with each other and not with themselves?
* Sexual interaction illusion
* human, robot + context
* human-robot intimate relationship
* [ ] Are there studies regarding human-robot intimate relationship?
* goodness of fit of artificiality - how well does the robot respond?
    * timing is essential - not what the do
    * => [ ] contradicting our anticipation (anticipation of our fantasy)
* Social sexual script => context is hidden
* what can arrise:
    * [ ] confrontation with your own hidden context?
* we want to talk to ourselves => so we create robots to do that
* How are the sex robots used by the customers?
* Rape culture
* Issue 1: objectification (Yuefang)
* Issue 2: how do you define love? (Yuefang)
* technology as a mirror of our sociaty (Heinrich)
    * => need to understand the psychology behind
* Objects cannot give you nack: (H) I think you get back by giving
* Issue 3: deception of voulnerable people
* Technolgy seen positively (from perpective of economics), negatively (from perspective of ethics)
* Heinrich (from a psychotheapy workshop): "in sexuality we want to be used"
* stanislavski 
* as long as you understand that it's not real, it's ok => its about being aware
* we want to fill a "hole" inside ourselves
    * people trying to extract meaning where there is none 
        * trauma: seeking for meaning
        * => danger: people see in the robot more than there is
        * => DANGER: other people using robots to manipulate voulnerable
* Idea: maybe the social iteraction will become unnecessary with better technology
* Study on jealocy: "jealocy related discomfort"
* Ethics = rules, agreement of the society => it evolves with the society
* democratization of morals/ethics => individul morals/ethics
* democratization of technology 
* allow yourself to in the moment
* (falling in) love vs trust
* what is the social responsibility? => to separate mechanical/impulsive things (like falling in love) and trust
* Heinrich: people create an imaginary person, a copy of their partner, this image deviates from the real person => the robot will not deviate
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8Z1VwPGnQ
* focus on yourself (self actualization) => good or bad? vs focus on others?
    * buddism says: "give from a full bowl" if you respect yourself, you'll resoect others; if you treat yourself well, you'll treat others well.
* Idea: have a focus group with different backgrounds


## 2022.07.05 Talk with Oliver Zöllner
* Robots fake emotions and intellience - sometimes very convincing
    * disillusionment
    * => treat robots in their own right: not like a simulation of humans, but rather their own entities
* Thought: machines take away he oportunity to experience live
* sex robots = care robots

* Robots = mirrors of humanity
* "Theory of digital society"
    * what kind of problem are we trying to solve by building robots?
    * => it might be a complex problem on evolutionary level <= not seen by us
    * grows and progress is a universal law => 
    * "be ethical to yourself"
        * why to you do things? => to attain value


## People

* [ ] Prof. Kate Devlin
  * https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/dr-kate-devlin
  * kate.devlin@kcl.ac.uk 

* [ ] Prof. Oliver Zöllner
  * https://www.hdm-stuttgart.de/hochschule/organisation/professoren/suche_ergebnis_liste?pId=2800112
  * https://www.oliverzoellner.de
  * zoellner@hdm-stuttgart.de

* [ ] Prof. Martin Fischer
  * https://www.uni-potsdam.de/de/pecog/mitarbeiterinnen/prof-martin-fischer-phd
  * martin@uni-potsdam.de

* [ ] "Furhat" - 

* "AI LOVE YOU" - Workshop
  * https://ailoveyou719055967.wordpress.com/
  * Dr. Yuefang ZHOU 
  * yuezhou@uni-potsdam.de
  * Book: "AI Love You: Developments in Human-Robot Intimate Relationships"
    * https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-19734-6
    * https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1L2hW2CWpkkhL53xge_2TDYGMCd4Q4HHS?usp=sharing

* EU Project "Emotional Machines: The Technological Transformation of Intimacy in Japan (EMTECH)"
  https://www.geschkult.fu-berlin.de/en/e/emtech/index.html


## Plans for Harmony

### Call with Matt
* Matt will check if he has a prototy that he can sed us soon
    * probably can be here by the end of Jun (worst case July August)
    

* Draga has the impression, that we conveyed, that there is no budget
    * what to do about that?

* Possible long-term collaboration
    * 

* Open Questions
    * are they interested in us programming the robot?
    * use for research?
    * is it possible for us to experiment with the moving body? 
        * Possible have it for the play?
    * Matt mentioned shipping the head: possible to have the whole body with it?
    * is it possible for us to change the face on stage?

### Details

* shipment cost?

### Follow Up Email

Hi Matt,

it was great talking to you in person. We have lots of open questions ... 
We have many ideas for what to do wit the robot and and are looking forward to be able to test it.

Cheers,
- 


## 2022.06.09 Call with Joseph

* artec design - for disnay
* nvidia audio to face
  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/omniverse/apps/audio2face/
* "Boiling Mind: Amplifying the Audience-Performer Connection through Sonification and Visualization of Heart and Electrodermal Activities"
  * Kai Kunze  
  * https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dingding-Zheng/publication/349306723_Boiling_Mind_Amplifying_the_Audience-Performer_Connection_through_Sonification_and_Visualization_of_Heart_and_Electrodermal_Activities/links/60a2785a299bf134c42aad6b/Boiling-Mind-Amplifying-the-Audience-Performer-Connection-through-Sonification-and-Visualization-of-Heart-and-Electrodermal-Activities.pdf?origin=publication_detail
* https://www.josephwmwatson.com
* Software: Face feature tracking and remapping
    * https://github.com/facemoji/mocap4face
    * https://alter.xyz/
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Action_Coding_System
* DialogFlow -- dialog system
* https://apps.apple.com/us/app/live-link-face/id1495370836


* what are the possibilities?
    * Joseph would like a collaboration
    * 6.7 - Joseph travels to US
    * the current head can be ready within 3 Weeks
    * needs remapping - can work on it now (?)
        * and testing on the robot remotely?
    * Budget?
        * travel budget for Joseph?

* Questions
    * what about the body?
    * 


## EMF - Talk by Kate Devlin

* Sex Robots
    * Metropolis
    * Old Greece - Woman loses husband and makes a doll of him, which turns alife
    * Samantha - "Sex Robot Samantha Gets an Update to Say "No" If She Feels Disrespected or Bored"
        * https://interestingengineering.com/sex-robot-samantha-gets-an-update-to-say-no-if-she-feels-disrespected-or-bored
* Book "Turned On: Science, Sex and Robots"
  https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Kate-Devlin/dp/1472950895
* Conference "Love, Sex, Robots"
* "Sex, Tech, Hack"
  https://www.gold.ac.uk/calendar/?id=10789
  * PeaCock - opening tail indicating female arousal
  * [butplug.io](https://buttplug.io/)
* Phrases
    * "People want compationship and intimacy"
    * "Post-human sex"
    * "Sex robots won't ruin sex"
    


## Robots
* https://furhatrobotics.com/
* https://www.soulmachines.com/
* Ameca  
  https://www.engineeredarts.co.uk/robot/ameca/  
  https://robot-rental.com/mesmer/
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff_NRSf4s20&ab_channel=Engadget
* Naval Robotics  
  https://navelrobotics.com/en/home-en-2/

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  * https://www.realdoll.com/realdoll-x/
      * +1 (760) 471-8418
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      * media@realdoll.com
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    https://realbotix.com
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  * App
    https://www.realdollx.ai/



### Research
* Hugging robot  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB2dboklZ8A

### Face
* http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~bchen/aiface/
* https://www.creativemachineslab.com/eva.html



## People
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/muratkrty/?originalSubdomain=de
* https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralfmayet/?originalSubdomain=de

## Workshop / Conferences
* https://www.trustworthyrobots.eu/rtss-workshop/call.html
* https://furhatrobotics.com/furhat-conference-social-robot-interactions/

## Ressources
* http://lovingai.org/
* https://ralfmayet.net/portfolio/project/2017/11/26/sophia-lovingai.html
* https://loveandtime.org/
* "Ich bin Dein Mensch" movie   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXC4t8EbKTo
  http://www.ichbindeinmensch.de/
* Hiroshi Ishiguro  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr4_wcA1RMU
* Uncanny Valley  
  https://www.rimini-protokoll.de/website/en/project/unheimliches-tal-uncanny-valley
  Chiscreatures Filmeffects GmbH
  

## What access do we have?
* Potsdam?
* Japan?




## Contact

### Email to media@realdoll.com
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Dear media team,

we are currently developing a performance project "Beyond Love" (by Dragana Bulut) on the topic of Love and would like to have your robot "Harmony" as a performer alongside other human performers on stage. Her role would consist of communicating with the audience members about possible future narratives of Love in a speed-dating setup. 

We are also interested in working with your developers and engineers on ways how the robot can perform on stage. Our research group is involved in work on humanoid robots, specifically, also on human-robot interaction.


"Beyond Love" will premiere in February 2023 at HAU Hebbel am Ufer Berlin, a well known and established contemporary performance venue. https://www.hebbel-am-ufer.de/

Dragana Bulut is a choreographer and performer from Belgrade based in Berlin. You can find more info on her work here 
http://draganabulut.com

In 2020 we worked with the semi-humanoid robot Pepper in the performance "Future Fortune" which was performed so far in Berlin/Germany, Belgrade/Serbia and Essen/Germany
https://www.pact-zollverein.de/en/future-fortune

We would be happy to set up a remote meeting to talk about the possibilities for a potentials of collaboration. Please let me know if you are interested in our project. 

Don't hesitate to contact me for more information on the project.

Looking forward to hearing back from you!
- Heinrich


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Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Inf. Heinrich Mellmann

Institut für Informatik
Adaptive Systeme (RUD25, Raum 3.110)
Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin

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## Heinrich Thoughts
* what does comodification of emotions exactly mean?