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# Meeting - 27 November 2023

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## Meeting Info 

This is the UK Carpentry Community space for the UK Carpentry instructors, helpers and workshop coordinators (or anyone involved in training tech to researchers in general and outside of the UK) to get to know each other better, update the commmunity about developments, discuss issues and ideas, and encourage collaboration.
    
During these meetings, we will be conforming to [The Carpentries Code of Conduct](https://docs.carpentries.org/topic_folders/policies/code-of-conduct.html).

**Meeting schedule: meetings happen on 4th Monday each month, 16:00-17:00 UK time, BST (UTC+1) or GMT (UTC+0) depending on the time of the year**

**Meeting details are shared via [local-uk mailing list](https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk) and [The Carpentries community calendar](https://carpentries.org/community/#community-events).**

- [Community's HackMD workspace](https://hackmd.io/team/local-uk?nav=overview)
- [Previous & upcoming meetings](https://hackmd.io/V3ReKkEESzqyCNxWJdulOw#Meeting-Notes)
- [Meeting notes template](https://hackmd.io/hgl1tYhOTTqDsIDwjArE5w)
- [Chairing rota](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkPK1Si7F)
- [Guest speaker sign-up](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd)

**Zoom URL:** https://zoom.us/j/95360073649

## Meeting Minutes

- **Chair:** Andrew Walker
- **Timekeeper:**
- **Notetaker:** Phil Reed (main), Mario Antonioletti (helper)

### Agenda
0. Assign notetaker & timekeeper
1. Sign in & ice-breaker
1. Review of actions
3. Round robin of updates & announcements
4. Instructor Training checkout questions
5. Wrap-up/AOB

### Sign-in

Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout:

1. Mario Antonioletti, he/him, EPCC/SSI University of Edinburgh
2. Neil Shephard (he/him) RSE University of Sheffield
3. Toby Hodges (he/him), The Carpentries
4. Andrew Walker (he/him), Earth Sciences University of Oxford
5. Cara Conradsen (she/her), QCIF
6. Phil Reed (he/him), University of Manchester
7. Colin Sauze (he/him), National Oceanography Centre
8. Aleks Nenadic (she/her), Software Sustainability Institute
9. Juan Herrera (he/him), EPCC (The University of Edinburgh)
10. Lucia Michielin (she/her), CDCS(The University of Edinburgh)
11. Matthew Bluteau (he/him), UK Atomic Energy Authority, :elephant: [@mattasdata](https://fosstodon.org/@mattasdata)
12. Twin Karmakharm (he/him), RSE University of Sheffield
13. Nadine Bestard (she/her), University of Edinburgh

### Actions
- Aleks to follow up with Toby Hodges to find some suitable dates for his guest taks on collaborative lesson development training and updating existing lessons

### Notes

New people on the call so we did a round of introductions. Everyone had to describe a superpower they would like to have. We had:

* Cloning (a favourite one)
* Being able to turn back to sleep
* Time travel
* Shape change into animals
* Teleporting
* Transmogrifying
* Expert player of the drums with the corresponding powers.
* Infallibile Touchtyping
* Solve installation and learner problems instantly
* stop time



#### Review actions 
No actions found from [October 2023 notes](https://hackmd.io/FwJlfDAWQFmgTTGw4FjuNg?view). 

#### Round robin of updates & announcements

CarpentryConnect (CarpentryCon - whole community while CarpentryConnect - a regional community event):

* 2019 CarpentryConnect at Manchester, UK, led by Aleks Nenadic and others. About 100 attending. Discussions around teaching and related interests, skill-up sessions, lightning talk, breakout sessions. More communnity-driven and break-outs than a traditional conference.
* (some of) 13-17 November 2024 Heidelberg, Germany. Inspired by Manchester event. Meeting for instructors, lesson maintainers, curriculum advisors, any other roles in the Carpentries communities. 
* Hosted at European Molecular Biology centre. Fly to Frankfurt then train, other cheaper options available. 
* Hybrid delivery (predominantly, not every session). Centre is well equipped for hybrid events and have expertise here. Some of the rooms for breakouts may not have the equipment. 
* Watch this space, save the date. Announcements to follow via usual channels (local channels for regular updates (eg Germany, Austria, Switzerland, UK, Netherlands), blog post, TopicBox discuss list). If you want to help organise, get in touch with Toby (on Slack, or at tobyhodges@carpentries.org). Will be a lot of fun.

[CarpentryConnect 2019 Manchester](https://www.software.ac.uk/Events/carpentryconnect-manchester-2019-ccmcr19) - an example of what a CarpentryConnect event looks like

[Edinburgh Winter School 2024 hybrid event](https://www.cdcs.ed.ac.uk/teaching-programming-non-programmers-edinburgh-winter-school-2024)

* 11 January 2024, deep-dive day to teach programming to non-programmers, people who do not have this core in their area of teaching. Across any discipline. 
* Priority to people who are already teaching.
* Sign-up closes 11 December 2023
* https://www.cdcs.ed.ac.uk/teaching-programming-non-programmers-edinburgh-winter-school-2024 (More information)
* Main organiser Kasia Banas

[Collaborative lesson development training](https://carpentries.org/blog/2023/10/launching-collaborative-lesson-development-training/)
* Launched last month, sits alongside instructor training.
* How to write the stuff that then gets taught by instructors.
* Questions about curriculum design could not be answered in instructor training (no time). 
* Focus on collaborative developments, open source projects, using GitHub and its features for good practice here. 
* Open for registration now. Good feedback received so far; how likely to recommend: 63% rated 10/10, nobody rated lower than 8/10. 
* For further information https://carpentries.org/lesson-development-training/
* Designed with the idea that attendees already have an idea for a lesson they wish to develop. 
* Pricing structure, costs the same regardless of how many people attend.
* Incorporates theoretical **and** hands-on aspect. Training is 3 days or 6 half days, therefore longer than instructor training. You are working on your lesson as well in that time. Creates a cognative load as you are learning the tools while building the lesson, learning different things at the same time.
 
Speaking in the future

* If you wish to present at this meeting in future, get in touch!

"Carpentries saved my life" -- a quote to remember. :-)

#### Upcoming workshops

Paid sessions DUCS project

* Get in touch with Mario (m.antonioletti@epcc.ed.ac.uk) or Aleks. Or Giacomo Peru g.peru@epcc.ed.ac.uk


Manchester 1

* New MA in Library and Archives Studies, this week teaching OpenRefine, Jargon Busting and Shell. End with planning next steps, discussing how to apply to their work (use cases)
* Challenge with Git installs for Shell, for those without admin rights (cannot access files outside of the working directory and below)

Manchester 2

* March 2024: NERC version of intermediate research skills.
* https://softwaresaved.github.io/2024-03-18-manchester-intermediate-swc/
* Change the data set. Two versions of course. Ran Earth Sciences version in 2023. Andrew Walker agreed to come and help deliver. 
* 5 half days, in practice takes a bit longer.

Newcastle

* They are running a course in Newcastle through the ARCHER training program
* Running 3 days rather than 2.
* The course will cover Git, Python, Shell, etc. but the programme is not finalised as yet.



Oxford next week (plus more next year) NERC Envionmental Science courses - 

* 6 sessions, aimed at environmental scientists. https://forms.office.com/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=sAafLmkWiUWHiRCgaTTcYdzyp_8cGVlMgppzVw_LSbJUN0dEWkFZUEcwVTFSRVlEQzc2ME1aMk84TCQlQCN0PWcu
* Followed by bring-your-own-data day. 
* Make sure they are aware they need to bring their data and what state it needs to be in! 
* It might be worth to get them to share their data before the event.
* Colin runn another event that people could bring their data and they found it valuable but also some data sets were provided for participants.


#### Instructor Training checkout questions


### Next meeting

Cancelled the December (25th!) meeting.

Next meeting Monday 22 January 2024: Chair will be Matthew Bluteau.

Toby Hodges promised to do (another) talk about collaborative lesson development and another one on a process for updating existing lessons. Aleks to follow up to find some suitable dates.

Toby working in RSE group in Germany, uploaded preprint
https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.11457
Getting feedback from as many members of RSE community around the world as possible.
Does this paper represent you, your skills? Is there anything missing? Link to GitHub repo in the paper.
Work is related to similar work in the UK: https://github.com/RSEToolkit/rse-competencies-toolkit

**Action all**: read Toby's paper before next meeting and comment.
