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# CFF meeting notes

Date: 09 September + 05 October 2022
Present: Faruk, Jurriaan, Stephan 


## Why do we want to have an entity?

- Can solve problems such as:
    - actively promoting CFF
    - working on tools in free time
- Formalize project to gain control
    - Create consistent behaviour across "platforms", streamline user experience
    - E.g., ruby-cff doing different type of conversion than cffconvert
        - "Tried this, valid file, don't see it on GitHub"
- Zotero, Zenodo &c. showed interest but lack manpower
    - Zenodo could "just" use cffconvert

## Roadmap

1. Develop the list of ideas how "parties" can make money off of CFF
    2. Align with project aims & scope
3. Check business models
4. Talk to stakeholders
    4. Ask about people in their structures who could take over roles

## Scope

- Would work on third-party tooling as well
    - Zenodo
    - GitLab


## Organizational form

Options: 
- non-profit organization
- a private company
- community interest company

Money could come from:
- Individual RSEs to showcase that they can get credit
- Institutions (DLR, NLeSC, SSI, etc.) can show commitment by spending money
- Companies (e.g., publishers) can use CFF files for publications

## Ideas: How can we create value out of metadata? a.k.a. the Business Model
- GitHub is profiting off of Rob's free time
- All projects that support CFF "gain" (in some meaning) from that support
- Publishers can use CFF files to get better quality metadata for software that is being cited in their journals

- Safer for public perception to start with useful projects with safe partners such as Zenodo
- Users (RSEs!) need to want to do the right thing

## What kind of work do we want to do? 



## Who will/can be involved? 



## Who will endorse/fund/support us? 



## What are the initial steps?



## Action points?

- Figure out how to sustainably/constantly make money as a non-profit/charity organization? Faruk & Stephan
- Figure out how to set things cross-border (e.g., NL + DE, perhaps UK). Stephan
- List what values are added by what tool for whom?
- Who are potential funders?
- List potential funders
    - Sloan Foundation
    - Wellcome Trust
    - eScience Center
    - fairimpact/EU
    - GitHub
    - GitLab?
    - Zenodo
    - Figshare
    - Journals/publishers
    - NWO Open Science program

- JS: Write up Zenodo business model
- SD: Finish up governance docs (Aims & Scope, Governance, Limits of acceptablity)
- FD: Write up publishers business model
- FD: Will talk to Tom Bakker


## Revelant Calls

- https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/activities/digital-programme
- https://www.cost.eu/what-do-we-fund/
- https://business.gov.nl/subsidy/research-programme-itea/
- https://business.gov.nl/subsidy/globalstars/
- https://prototypefund.de/en/
 
 


## Meeting 21/11/2022
- Tom: NLeSC will possibly support the initiative in many ways (letter of support, financially, endorsement) 
- Tom: EU funding application can be supported
- Tom: Foundation will give trust
- Stephan: Similar for Germany
- What's the relationship between the OS project and the org


- TODO: investigate the EU calls to bring products to the market
- RVO -- > funding



- https://openda.org/
- https://carpentries.org/
- https://www.sidnfonds.nl/excerpt (Sloan, CZI, Simons Foundation, Moore, SIDN Fonds)
- https://numfocus.org/
- https://www.dfg.de/foerderung/info_wissenschaft/info_wissenschaft_22_85/index.html
- NWO Open Science Fund round 2 https://www.nwo.nl/en/researchprogrammes/open-science/open-science-fund
- https://www.surf.nl/en/news/join-the-third-round-of-call-for-proposals-for-pilots-and-projects-for-local-dccs
- https://www.crossref.org/board-and-governance/


- Community building & governance as pointers for proposals
- TODO Stephan: Start talking to TT people around what they would want from a proposal/org

- What could commercial orgs (GitHub, Microsoft) gain from supporting CFF
- DataCite / Crossref & discoverability as proposal angle



