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    20180711 會議記錄 ===== ## 大松檢討 In [大松協作區](https://hackmd.io/s/ryeyqBUqMm): > 闢了70篇,謝謝大家 > > 怎麼沒有草稿區呢,闢謠到一半呀還想自己闢謠 > 想要有標記說這個我等一下要回,這樣才找得到 > 希望有分類別,政治或是年金(tag) > > Joky: 看到內容農場用聳動標題很生氣 > 點進去是正確的訊息,但又不甘心給「含有正確訊息」 > 望「不在查證範圍」可以有一個「使用聳動標題」的 template ### 草稿區 https://hackmd.io/s/rkdgg_aKb#inbox-scenario ### 「我等一下要回」 Related ticket: 文章「購物車」:標記「我等等回」 #34 https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/issues/34 MrOrz: 有人會在闢謠前去按「我等等回」嗎 bil: 我不會去按 但長期來說可以做成自己的興趣列表 或明確的 TODO list 不然 gore 的「已讀」已經可以做到了 文武: 可是 gore 那個只能標在文章列表 bil: 對,他是一個比較簡單的功能 Lucien: 「草稿區」跟「我等一下要回」有重疊的情境 他不會自己去按「我等一下要回」但會「回到一半」 所以可以先用這個去做就好了 bil: 如果「他有沒有要回我都會想要有一個自己的列表」時就會用 MrOrz: 所以比較像是星號 那為什麼瀏覽器書籤 bil: 我不會想要有 100 個書籤,但是想要標記 100 個文章 Lucien: 有是合理的,比較有積極的編輯有這個需求,他是一個檢傷分類。 但是想想大家的 Pocket ,是不是充滿了各種我以為我會讀,但沒有讀的文章。 MrOrz: 我自己看到想記著的文章,會把複製網址貼到 google keep 像是建立自己的 playlist 然後放進去 Lucien: 感覺是 nice-to-have yumi: 「我等一下要回」是要給別人看的嗎 Bil: 原本大松裡面是想要自己看到就好 但 https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/issues/34 是公開的 Orz: 我覺得 1. 做成 draft -> 自己有 draft,同時讓別人看到「有人正在輸入文字」 2. 幫文章打星號的功能 (or playlist) Priority: Nice to have :::info 以上許願 x 2 ::: ### Tag https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/issues/32 需求+1 :::info 結論:需求 request 加進 ticket ::: ### 「不在查證範圍」增加「使用聳動標題」 比鄰:支持 覺得在「含有正確訊息」與「含有不實訊息」也可以增加這個按鈕 Orz 怕按鈕有點多 Lucien: 聽起來是獨立的維度,可以用某一種標籤來做嗎? Orz: 可是標籤比較像是分類,例如政治或年金改革之類 Bil: 好哇 可以有聳動標題 或是業配文 之類 標題有問題,就算內容是正確的也是在玩弄讀者 所以希望增加聳動標題的按鈕來寫在內文 Orz: 但「增加聳動標題」不是「含有不實訊息」的理由,但其他都是理由。 Bil: 不一定是理由,只是想要提醒使用者媒體識讀。 有誘導或誤導性質的標題。 就算 priorty 比較低,但還是可以用來做統計與媒體課責。 做在 tag 跟按鈕做內文都一樣好,因為都可以列出有這種文字或 tag 的標題 GGM: 做在其他 reply type 的邏輯有點奇怪。 Orz: 目前確實所有的樣板都是選擇該分類的「理由」,所以「增加聳動標題」真的是另一種向度。 Hazel: 如果是單純新聞的話,無關事實與否,那應該推回給新聞小幫手 Orz: 我覺得比較像是 tag,等 tag 做完再放進去會比較好 因為是不同向度,tag 可以分成主題的標籤還有所使用傳播技巧的標籤等等 Lucien: 對於 user 來說,回這個應該會生氣 如果是「含有聳動標題的新聞」那會很死版 :::info 結論: 等 tag 做完再看看如何 adopt ::: ## 工具包翻譯進度 > ttcat: 要問 @hazelwei 翻譯進度以及我們要看最後要怎麼簽領據 > 翻譯進度 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17dC10B55OoA7tym5rWZ6iJj_rpTLAT9Gucd_Q8NP9zk/edit?usp=sharing - 8/7: 全部完成 Hazel 會與 ttcat 討論合約的部分 - 中間驗收一次,翻譯完成再驗收一次,分兩期,寫進合約。 - 領據在確定驗收之後由 OCF 提供 - 分成 2:1:2 GGM: 好像沒有中間驗收這塊,當初的結論是切最後驗收 前面就是給兩次 我們只做最後驗收 這樣比較簡單 Hazel: 還是建議中間要看稿,這樣阿元可以調整方向 GGM: 可以不用在驗收上看 Hazel: 可以跟他約定一個時間,例如說 7/23 或 19 那次做撥款 同意看稿跟驗收可以分開 但中間還是要能討論翻譯狀況 GGM: 要不要約個 meeting Hazel: 會先跟 ttcat 講撥款方式與合約 給阿元看要不要 meeting 然後看狀況。 之後會討論翻譯方向。 GGM: 合約會簽三方有點複雜(+驗收方) 如果驗收不在合約裡(驗收只驗最後一次)的話會比較簡單 不然三方要簽名會花很多時間 Hazel: 就算要驗收,理論上不會有驗收方? GGM: 那是因為驗收方與發款方是同一方。畢竟不是 OCF 驗收。 Hazel: 可以一起跟阿端討論。 Orz: 可以寫阿端驗收,但他傳給我們讓我們跟他講驗收結果。 :::info Hazel 會與阿端通信 ::: ## [Dev] Release tonight! ### Site - [闢謠進度條 Progress bar](https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/issues/98) - Thanks to Yumi & 佳吟 ### Line bot - [送出文章要填寫理由](https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/84) Thanks to GGM - [downvote 回應要填寫理由](https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/83) Thanks to changhc ### API - downvote 回應要填寫理由 ## [Dev] Pending review - reload script https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-db/pull/27 - url field change https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-db/pull/28 ## 對外聯絡 ### 彙整現有採訪共筆,詢問是否可以公開 Sample: > 冒昧打擾您,Cofacts 團隊想要請教您幾個關於公開採訪共筆的問題 :) > > 我們正在整理之前採訪時留下的採訪共筆。我覺得我們的共筆裡面有不少珍貴的問答紀錄,如果能公開的話,應該對大眾理解專案、理解採訪或甚至是理解「採訪共筆」這種形式有相當正面的效果。 > > 我們想請教您: > > - 是否願意我們將這份共筆公開在我們的 [google drive](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F71BYwOWH3xy5lTi2dVJsdI61fQDSpT3) 下呢? > - 請問公開時希望以什麼形式公開呢?(ex: All rights reserved, [CC-BY](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/), 其他 Creative Common licenses, 或 [CC0](https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/deed.zh_TW) 貢獻至公眾領域)? > > 以上問題煩請賜教,謝謝您! > #### 中文 - 2016.12 食力 foodNext - MrOrz (詢問中) - 2017.3 [交大傳科研究所訪談](https://hackpad.tw/ep/pad/static/X1i6gJNdsZH) - MrOrz - Done, CC BY-NC - 2017.4 [遠見雜誌](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5_v7fEF9D6qlXAJh0KyAwyPAw01Mnrbfk9UIBFnS_E/edit) - MrOrz - Done, All rights reserved - 2017.7 三立 - Bil #### 英文 - 2017.6 [Taipei times](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fqaFitUqdO4tEI2rurGd8-5nSlUzxGLNNX04SbKIkPs/edit ) - MrOrz - Done, CC0 ### IADA panel speaker > By MrOrz > Email: 2018 IADA 台北研討會與談人 > 9/25~9/28, 15min 發表 > > http://iada-taiwan2018.pccu.edu.tw/bin/home.php MrOrz 會去,是否還有其他人一起出席? 或許可以與主辦單位討論更多合作可能,希望可以有更多編輯加入 - bil: 上午的話 ok - GGM: 可能可以 - Lucien: 可能 ### 香港紀錄片 (Lynn Lee) > By Hazel 題目有點吃力,還是會跟他要訪綱 Orz: 拍我們應該沒辦法符合他想要的 Hazel: 確實我們比較少碰到 propaganda ### 三立里民服務 > By Bil Bil: 下週平日白天找一個鐘頭 GGM: 是不是可以回他那個我們之前寫的教學文件 雖然那個文件對於長輩來說可能稍難? bil: 沒有回音。 --- ### 壹電視 假新聞專題 > By GGM 7/11(今天)無法,目前正在聯絡 7/18 是否可以來。 8/23 太晚。 ### Taipei times > By MrOrz No more follow-up questions. 採訪完成。 ### The Splice Newsroom > By MrOrz > > in slack #general > https://logbot.g0v.tw/channel/g0v.tw/2018-07-11#2 > Sent previous interview links. Will send us google doc links afterwards. ### 誰來晚餐 > By Bil > 人氣獎投票: https://www.pts.org.tw/dinnerx/news.html 頁面: https://contest.plus1today.tw/beststory/index/stands?id=105750&v=775082 Orz: 背景音樂 copyright notice 沒放 QQ GGM 貼 cofacts FB group Orz 貼 g0v general --- Bil: 拍如何做這件事情 Bil: 共同工作空間可以煮飯 Lucien: 家庭可以拍 ### Matters 線上問答 > By Hazel 徵求大家的意見 要寫 1500 字的文章 然後兩個小時都要在線上回應 是否有 concern 或不方便的地方 時間可能要到 7/23 那週之後,沒有 deadline,可以的話希望是「近期」

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