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title: 12A. Promoting RSE career paths

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# 12A. Promoting RSE career paths

## Participants

- Heidi Seibold (Twitter: @HeidiBaya / heidi.seibold@johner-institut.de)
- Steffi Grote (grote.steffi@gmail.com)
- Clément Favier (clement.favier@mixscience.eu)
- Lukas Burk (@jemus42 / lukas@quantenbrot.de)
- Jan Dietrich (dietrich@pik-potsdam.de)
- Tommy Wong (@tommy_wht / tommywht1991@gmail.com)

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## Thoughts and Ideas

- Currently development of research software does not "count" as achievement in academic contexts (industry may vary?)
- teaching about RSE topics can help
- research software should become a "real" research output
    - also acknowledge maintainance 
- acknowledge that research becomes more effective with more specialisation
- allow for alternative RSE career path (alongside classical researcher career), e.g. RSE goup (leader)
    - also offer permanent positions
    - measure RSE output in a CV-compatible way?
        - Avoid "perverse incentive" of "more packages on CRAN == more value as RSE" 
        - -> Finding a valid measurement is pobably hard :(
        - Possible measurements: 
            - number of downloads? 
            - number of citations of software in publications?
- make the term RSE more well known
    - The work already existed, label it approrpiately as RSE for better visibility
- Think about inheritance of software (increase bus factor 🚌 >> 1)
- Viewpoints:
    - Bottom up: RSE want to be visible
    - Top-down: Institutional recognition?
        - Journals raising the bar re: software for example
        - Funders (RS as high priority)
- Funders and Institutions can play a big role in creating a career path for RSEs
- labeling might be important (calling RSE work "RSE")
- just talking about RSE helps
- paradigm shifts in institutes required for a RSE implementation might be hard to achieve (convince people that these changes make sense)
- it is confusing for junior researchers that they need to write software but at the end only their publications count
- my pHD in 180 seconds : fast communication on RSE jobs ?