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GrillDat idea pad
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It is nice to meet your friends for walking and grilling. The surge of outdoor activity is good for public health, but it has become even harder to coordinate safe grilling opportunities while not going hungry. Which outdoor grilling spots exist in your vicinity, and how busy are they at the moment when you plan to cook and eat?
## 💡 Idea
Start with beautiful, detailed trail maps of Switzerland using the Swisstopo data. We could invite users to add the following location data:
- where a grill spot is on the trail system (fire icon)
- if it is being grilled at (lit fire icon)
- how many people are there (number)
- if there is a permanent metal grill there (grill icon)
- if wood is available (replenished pile)
This could be encouraged by posting QR codes at the spots for logon and logoff. You could only log occupancy if your location service was on and indicated the spot where the grill was. There could also be a function to indicate if a second group was nearby waiting to use the grill afterwards. This prevents people reserving spots way ahead but at the same time helps let others see what is occupied so they can try to find an available spot without trekking somewhere and being disappointed and hungry.
## Prototype
![](https://i.imgur.com/lr8mREM.jpg)
Firepits near Lucerne with data from OpenStreetMap shown on the new [GeoAdmin map](https://test.map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&layers=ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege,ch.astra.wanderland,ch.astra.veloland,ch.astra.mountainbikeland,GPX%7C%7Chttps:%2F%2Fgist.githubusercontent.com%2Fdavidoesch%2F2ac61c05f254d8bd9d245cf0d99ee57d%2Fraw%2Fd1a857e190107f123c0f54349ae711cb8af9af8b%2Ffirepits_20210306.gpx&layers_opacity=1,0.8,0.6,0.6,0.6,1&lon=8.28439&lat=47.04736&zoom=11.669311456553272&catalogNodes=687,688,696,702,720,15029).
![GeoAdmin](https://bucketeer-e34189e0-4cb3-496d-a72e-2dcf17cab858.s3.amazonaws.com/cividi/CWJBBMXR9IWZRZY49MYHYD11.jpg)
Screenshot of the only "Brätlistelle" we could find ...
## Data
Relevant data layers hosted at Swisstopo include:
- VECTOR25 [objects](https://www.geocat.ch/geonetwork/srv/ger/md.viewer#/full_view/5fb1376e-554a-4bcc-9c1d-e0b9b39d7aaa/tab/complete) currently do not include fireplaces
- [swissTLM3D](https://www.swisstopo.admin.ch/de/geodata/landscape/tlm3d.html) / Official [hiking trails](https://www.geocat.ch/geonetwork/srv/ger/md.viewer#/full_view/4a064664-a346-4c1a-b424-4e8a0f0b56cb/tab/complete)
- [Wanderland](http://map.wanderland.ch/), Mountainbikeland, Veloland ..
On OpenStreetMap:
- try the tag [leisure=firepit](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dfirepit) - e.g. as on this map of [Brätlistelle Anger](https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/257183599#map=19/46.59833/7.50149&layers=C) ㋡
- an export of OSM firepits [has been posted here](https://gist.github.com/davidoesch/2ac61c05f254d8bd9d245cf0d99ee57d) and imported the link to the map at the top of this page
- see links on how to contribute data at the bottom of the page
Help wanted:
- Overlay of Fire Current situation
- Forest Fire Danger
## Prior art
- [Grillstelle.ch](https://grillstelle.ch/) does basically what is described here, but with Google Maps and [closed data](https://grillstelle.ch/Home/GetLocations) (© A. Frei, V. Trincado)
- [Grillplatz.org](https://grillplatz.org/grillplatz-hinzufuegen/) is a website from Germany which has a nice design, but is also Google Maps based, closed data, and ad-funded (© Danny Gerhard)
- [Brätlistellen BE LU FR] (https://braetlistellen.ch/) very well selected types of firepits
- The online database of fireplaces from [Schweizer Familie magazine](https://www.schweizerfeuerstellen.ch/) is excellent, but suffers from similar issues.
- An older, simpler listing on [alternatives-wandern.ch](https://www.alternatives-wandern.ch/grillplaetze.htm)
- A sample and very pleasant [grill place website](https://www.diemtigtal.ch/en/poi-en/feuerstelle-wuerzi)
- A sample [media article about grill places](https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/native/223417120-du-planst-einen-ausflug-mit-der-familie-das-sind-die-schoensten-grillplaetze-der-schweiz) (watson.ch)
- A popular local app for crowdsourced [ping pong tables](https://www.pingpongapp.ch/) as inspiration
## Fire mapping
- [Current situation Forest Fire Danger (official link collection)](https://www.waldbrandgefahr.ch/en/web/waldbrandgefahr/current-situation) Overview of danger locations and measures implemented in the cantons and Principality of Liechtenstein, no interactive overly availabale
- [OpenFireMap](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenFireMap) is an OSM-powered website of fire-control infrastructure
- [Mapbox blog](https://blog.mapbox.com/open-data-for-mapping-wildfires-smoke-and-air-quality-b4ae8b0f14bd) on using open data for mapping wildfires
## Contributing to OSM
An easy and well supported way right now to add an object to OSM is using [StreetComplete](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete), pictured below, which you can download at [Google Play Store](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnordost.streetcomplete).
See further instructions on contributing to OSM at https://www.openstreetmap.org/fixthemap
<img src="https://i.imgur.com/mhnl5xo.jpg" width="50%">