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# Meeting - 23 September 2024

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## Meeting Info 

This is the UK Carpentry Community space for the UK Carpentry instructors, helpers and workshop coordinators (or anyone involved in training tech to researchers in general and outside of the UK) to get to know each other better, update the commmunity about developments, discuss issues and ideas, and encourage collaboration.
    
During these meetings, we will be conforming to [The Carpentries Code of Conduct](https://docs.carpentries.org/topic_folders/policies/code-of-conduct.html).

**Meeting schedule: meetings happen on 4th Monday each month, 16:00-17:00 UK time, BST (UTC+1) or GMT (UTC+0) depending on the time of the year**

**Meeting details are shared via [local-uk mailing list](https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk) and [The Carpentries community calendar](https://carpentries.org/community/#community-events).**

- [Community's HackMD workspace](https://hackmd.io/team/local-uk?nav=overview)
- [Previous & upcoming meetings](https://hackmd.io/V3ReKkEESzqyCNxWJdulOw#Meeting-Notes)
- [Meeting notes template](https://hackmd.io/hgl1tYhOTTqDsIDwjArE5w)
- [Chairing rota](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkPK1Si7F)
- [Guest speaker sign-up](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd)

**Zoom URL:** https://zoom.us/j/95360073649

## Meeting Minutes

- **Chair:** 
    - _Make sure to email <instructor.training@carpentries.org> after the meeting with trainee instructors who joined for the community discussion as part of the checkout_
- **Timekeeper:**
- **Notetaker:** Andrew (with helpers)

### Agenda
0. Assign notetaker & timekeeper
1. Sign in & ice-breaker
1. Review of actions
2. Announcements 
3. Guest speaker + Q&A
4. Instructor Training checkout questions
5. Wrap-up/AOB

### Sign-in

Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout:

1. Neil Shephard, University of Sheffield
2. Mario Antonioletti, EPCC, University of Edinburgh
3. Colin Sauze, National Oceanography Centre
4. Andrew Walker, he/him, University of Oxford
5. Laurisa Sastoque, University of Southampton (checkout)
6. Dimitrios Theodorakis, Met Office
7. Phil Reed, University of Manchester
8. Declan Valters, EPCC
9. Emma Hogan, she/her, Met Office :)
10. Jannetta Steyn, Newcastle University
11. Sarah Jaffa, she, University of Manchester
12. Juan Herrera, EPCC, The University of Edinburgh

### Notes

#### Introductions & icebreaker

What was the oldest computer you have used?

#### Review of actions

* If you want to suggest a lesson for us to look at in the [CarpentryConnect event](https://carpentries.org/blog/2024/01/announcing-cchd24/) (converting to new format), let Phil and Aleks know. There is a [tool](https://carpentries.github.io/workbench/transition-guide.html)
* Should we cancel the December meeting? (Scheduled for 23rd)


#### Announcements

* There is discussion at HPC Carpentries - should we move the workbench to [quarto](https://quarto.org) to avoid having maintain sandpaper, varnish etc. Lots to explore. Still moving to the workbench at the moment. Better for translations. Contact d.theodorakis@metoffice.gov.uk for info. Has live plugin that allows embedding R and Python code chunks in documents rendered to HTML [quarto live](https://github.com/r-wasm/quarto-live) (also [r-wasm/quarto-drop](https://github.com/r-wasm/quarto-drop) which gives dropdown console in RevealJS slides rendered from Quarto).
* Development of [Fortran lesson](https://github.com/carpentries-incubator/intro-to-modern-fortran/discussions/21) discussed at RSEcon. First co-working meeting to work on this will take place on 7 October at 2 pm
* SSI fellowship applications close 6 October (we think)

#### RSEcon
* Teaching SIG discussed linked closely to Carpentries. Likly to be created as sub-group.
* Session on Carpentries. Discussion of lesson infrastructure. What is done well, what could be improved. How to link lessons, lesson metadata. Link to code refinery. Any discussion of "learning pathways"? Some consideration via addition of lesson metadata.
* Interesting discussions around [RSE competancy toolkit](https://github.com/RSEToolkit/rse-competencies-toolkit/). Aimed career development for RSEs. Links to learning pathways - identify skill levels in various areas and link to learning opportunities. This builds the pathway. Potentially good to link this to above. Channel in RSE slack for this [#rse-competencies-toolkit](https://ukrse.slack.com/archives/C05CY0YFWEL).
* R hackathon. Help people contribte to [R core](https://contributor.r-project.org/). 
* Pytesting and optimsation.
* Training BOF session. Lots of discussion comparing training *by* RSEs v's training *for* RSEs. What fits well with compiencies and what falls within teaching SIG. Two groups will be seperate but will communicate (follow up call when working on terms of reference - from Dimitrios an email to get access to terms of reference). 
* Large number of non-technical skills needed for RSEs. This training seen as potentially missing. Photo from Toby: ![Technical v Non-Technical skills from RSE Competencies](https://private-user-images.githubusercontent.com/918142/366379473-17a8172f-8d30-482c-9d84-a4925be2f859.jpg?jwt=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJnaXRodWIuY29tIiwiYXVkIjoicmF3LmdpdGh1YnVzZXJjb250ZW50LmNvbSIsImtleSI6ImtleTUiLCJleHAiOjE3MjcxMDU5MTAsIm5iZiI6MTcyNzEwNTYxMCwicGF0aCI6Ii85MTgxNDIvMzY2Mzc5NDczLTE3YTgxNzJmLThkMzAtNDgyYy05ZDg0LWE0OTI1YmUyZjg1OS5qcGc_WC1BbXotQWxnb3JpdGhtPUFXUzQtSE1BQy1TSEEyNTYmWC1BbXotQ3JlZGVudGlhbD1BS0lBVkNPRFlMU0E1M1BRSzRaQSUyRjIwMjQwOTIzJTJGdXMtZWFzdC0xJTJGczMlMkZhd3M0X3JlcXVlc3QmWC1BbXotRGF0ZT0yMDI0MDkyM1QxNTMzMzBaJlgtQW16LUV4cGlyZXM9MzAwJlgtQW16LVNpZ25hdHVyZT1iNmY5MWUxOGM3YmFiODJjNWY5MWY5MzdiZGRkYjMzNWNiMmQ5OGM2NTQ5NjE4NjhhNjUzOTM1NzQ0NjkyNjM0JlgtQW16LVNpZ25lZEhlYWRlcnM9aG9zdCJ9.kkmc3pHvJiq7ftYLB9h0uiH6cSrhaxQKHTtkz8eb0jQ) [details here](https://github.com/RSEToolkit/rse-competencies-toolkit/issues/85)
* Project managment - we should think about this more. SIG about this discussed. Links to non-technical skills.

#### Wrap up and AOB

* Date for December meeting / outputs from carpentries connect ... aim for 4pm on 17th December (TUESDAY). Phil to talk. Link to [registration](https://biont-training.eu/CarpentryConnect2024.html).
* A git question ... version of the git novice training in a day. Reflection and feedback - project managment. How to use issues on github? Some stuff in the [intermediate software development course](https://softwaresaved.github.io/az-intermediate-software-skills-course/about/index.html). The fourth episode of [Git and GitHub through GitKraken](https://srse-git-github-zero2hero.netlify.app/) gets people into small groups to work through using Issues which result in merge conflicts and CI is setup to fail, really useful learning experience.
This version of the Git Carpentries lesson may be interesting [Version Control with Git](https://nclrse-training.github.io/git-ultra-novice).
Official documentation: https://docs.github.com/en/issues/planning-and-tracking-with-projects/learning-about-projects/quickstart-for-projects
YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0lo9MOBetEG8TZty9Z38oSZAY8FjkaB7
* Is there anything in Carpentries lessons around quality assurance? Not so much. Maybe intermediate software development course? Or [GutHub for Maintainers and Lesson Developers](https://carpentries.github.io/github-skill-up-maintainers/) and [GitHub for Carpentries Instructors](https://carpentries-incubator.github.io/github-skill-up-instructors/)? Also [Git Teaching Kit](https://git-teaching-kit.netlify.app/)
FAIR software course, [fixes some broken code as exercises](https://carpentries-incubator.github.io/fair-research-software/05-code-environment.html)


#### Action

* Phil to try and get a new calendar invite for 17/12 meeting.
* signup for future talks - https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd

