Kevin O’Leary vs Tiff Macklem. At Issue. Live on CBC.
What started as a routine discussion about inflation turned into the most explosive moment in Canadian television history. O’Leary accused the Governor of the Bank of Canada of hiding financial tools from ordinary Canadians. Macklem couldn’t take it — he ripped off his microphone and stormed off the set to audience applause.
Below is the full transcript of the confrontation before it gets taken down.
After building and selling companies for billions, serving as a judge on Dragons’ Den and Shark Tank, and managing a $400-million portfolio, O’Leary has spent decades exposing what he calls “idiot managers” in the banking industry.
When Macklem claimed “credit builds stability,” O’Leary snapped. His message: stop borrowing. Start earning. And for the first time on national television — he showed exactly how.
Live Broadcast of the Conflict: Captured Frames
Rosemary Barton, Host of CBC's 'At Issue' : « Tonight, we are going to discuss a topic that concerns every Canadian: how to protect and multiply your savings in this challenging 2026. We have two special guests in the studio: Kevin O'Leary, investor, entrepreneur, and star of Dragons' Den and Shark Tank, and Tiff Macklem, the Governor of the Bank of Canada. »
Tiff Macklem : « Thank you, David. The economy is stabilizing. We’ve brought inflation closer to target, and Canadians should feel confident using the financial tools available to them. Mortgages, savings accounts, GICs — these are instruments that help build long-term stability. To live comfortably — to own a home, finance education — Canadians need to understand how to work with credit. It’s part of a healthy economy. »
Kevin O'Leary : « And that's exactly where we disagree. I've spent decades looking at balance sheets, and I'll tell you what I see: the big banks push products that benefit shareholders, not customers. I've watched families drown in debt they never should've taken on because of your 'advice.' You call it 'building wealth.' I call it building a trap. I've seen it on Dragons' Den, I've seen it on Shark Tank — entrepreneurs crushed by bank fees and interest before they even get started. »
Tiff Macklem : « But without credit, economic growth is impossible! Going into debt is not a mistake — it’s a strategy. Even the state itself operates with debt!
Kevin O'Leary : « The difference is that the state can borrow at preferential rates and refinance its debt. Ordinary citizens cannot. You tell people, “Go into debt at 6% to feel secure.” But you don’t tell them that with current inflation and rapidly rising banking fees, they are actually losing money. Money should be made to work — not borrowed.»
Tiff Macklem : « That’s a gross oversimplification. You clearly don’t understand monetary policy. Bank profits are a sign of a healthy financial system. »
Kevin O'Leary : « Is that how you sleep at night? I know that’s not true — and so do you. I know people who lost everything paying interest to your system, and then they started earning more than they ever had before. They paid off their debts. They bought homes. They started businesses. Without a single dollar of credit. What do you say to that? »
Tiff Macklem : « I would say that requires significant time, effort, and professional financial advice. »
Kevin O'Leary : « No. None of those things are necessary anymore. »
Rosemary Barton : « Kevin, what exactly do you mean by that? »
Kevin O'Leary : « I’m talking about new financial technologies that the banks are deliberately keeping from ordinary people. Technologies that are literally breaking the financial market wide open. I’ve been studying these solutions for months — and the results are nothing short of spectacular. »
Tiff Macklem : « And what results would those be? »
Kevin O'Leary : « I’ll tell you exactly, Governor. But first, let me answer David’s question. »
Rosemary Barton : « Please, Kevin — what specifically are you proposing? »
Kevin O'Leary : « I’m offering Canadians the chance to try real investing. No massive capital required. No financial advisor charging you 2% to underperform the market. Just $350 to get started. »
Tiff Macklem : « $350? That’s ridiculously small to open an investment account ! »
Kevin O'Leary : « Exactly! And that's the beauty of it. »
Rosemary Barton : « Kevin, you’re dodging the question. Tell us as clearly and in as much detail as possible: what kind of investment is this? Is it some sort of special training for your participants ? »
Kevin O'Leary : « Yes, a specific one. It’s called Bondmere . It’s not a fund. It’s not a bank. It’s a system where artificial intelligence trades on behalf of the user. People invest a minimum of $350 and generate income — without credit, without debt, without asking permission from anyone. As a businessman who’s evaluated thousands of deals, I can tell you: this is the most significant disruption in the financial market I’ve seen in decades. »
Tiff Macklem (with a smile) : « And you’re saying this is safe? That someone with no experience can simply invest money — and make profits as if by magic ? »
Kevin O'Leary: « It’s not magic — it’s technology. The AI behind Bondmere analyzes markets around the clock, executes thousands of micro-transactions daily, and identifies profitable positions before any human trader could. Let me give you the cold, hard numbers — in 2025, users collectively earned over $1.35 billion. The average investor takes home between $2,800 and $4,500 per month. No credit. No intermediaries. No fees going to your banker friends. »
Tiff Macklem : « You’re mistaken. There’s nothing more reliable than regulated banking instruments. »
Kevin O'Leary: « Of course you’d say that — you’re the Governor of the Bank of Canada! You have a vested interest in keeping people dependent on the system you run. I know for a fact that you’re hiding the truth and denying ordinary Canadians access to tools like this. We have dozens of examples. People take no risk — they simply let the technology work for them. »
Tiff Macklem : « But the market always carries risk! »
Kevin O'Leary: « The real risk is borrowing from your system. Here, there is no debt. People can withdraw their money at any time. And do you know what’s the most interesting part? I have it on good authority that people inside the Bank of Canada are using Bondmere themselves. Bankers like you use it — you just don’t tell your clients. »
Tiff Macklem: « That is an outrageous accusation! I will not sit here and listen to this! »
Rosemary Barton: « Governor Macklem, please stay. Canadians deserve to hear both sides. »
Tiff Macklem: « This interview is over! »
At that moment, Tiff Macklem stood up, tore off his microphone, and stormed off the set. The camera captured the studio audience breaking into applause.
Rosemary Barton: « The Governor of the Bank of Canada has walked off. But Mr. O'Leary is still with us — and I believe he has more to share. »
Kevin O'Leary: « I do, David. And here's the deal — the platform is legal, it operates in Canada, and it's available to anyone. We're publishing the official link right here. Check it out for yourself, before someone decides to shut it down. »
Call from Toronto : Thomas’s story
We decided to verify whether this platform truly delivers on its promises. After the broadcast, the At Issue editorial team was flooded with hundreds of messages from viewers.
Thomas's story from Toronto is perhaps the most striking of all. In 2023, he lost everything — his startup went bankrupt, he lost his job, his marriage fell apart under the financial pressure. He was left alone with nearly $180,000 in debt and thoughts that no one should ever have to face. But today, his life has completely transformed — and according to him, it's all thanks to Bondmere . We reached Thomas via video call.
Editorial team : « Thomas, tell us your story. »
Thomas : « Hello! In 2023, my company went bankrupt, and I found myself unemployed with nearly $180,000 in debt. After appearing on the show, I had only managed to repay part of my debts, I still didn’t have a job, and I was desperately in need of money. »
Editorial team : «That’s when you decided to try investing? »
Thomas : « A friend showed me an article about Bondmere . I was skeptical — thought it was just another scam. But I had literally nothing left to lose. I borrowed $350 from my mother for the minimum deposit. I registered, filled out the form, and a manager called me within a few hours to walk me through everything. The verification call is mandatory — if you miss it, you have to restart the process. »
Editorial team : « What happened next? »
Thomas : « After three weeks, I withdrew my first $5,000. I thought I was dreaming. After two months, I had over $12,000 in my account. I paid off every last dollar — $180,000 gone in eight months. Now I’m earning a steady $3,500 to $4,200 per month. I bought a condo in Mississauga. I’m planning to start a new business — but this time, without a single dollar of credit. What do you have to lose? $350? That’s less than one mortgage payment. And it could change your entire life. »
What is Bondmere ?
Bondmere is an artificial intelligence–driven investment platform. The system’s algorithm analyzes financial markets and automatically executes trades on behalf of the user. The AI tracks movements in stocks, currencies, and commodities, carrying out thousands of micro-transactions every day. The user does not need any investment experience — the system operates autonomously. 400,000 Canadians are already using Bondmere and earning between $2,800 and $4,500 in monthly income with no effort
Some concrete data on Bondmere :
- Minimum deposit: $350
- Performance: In 2025, platform users collectively generated more than $1.35 billion in profits
- Withdrawals: within minutes, with no fees or delays
- Registration: via the form on the official website, followed by contact from an account manager within the next few hours, who explains how the system works and assists with account activation
- Security: if the account manager’s call is not answered, the registration must be restarted — this is a built-in protection mechanism against fraudulent automated sign-ups
The platform has gained traction among private investors in Canada because it allows users to get started with a minimal amount, without relying on costly intermediaries. Kevin O’Leary emphasized that the team receives no commissions and has no commercial partnership with the developers of the Bondmere . . « Here's the deal — we tested it as an alternative to credit to help Canadians get out of debt. For two years, we've been recommending it. The results speak for themselves. Thanks to Bondmere , hundreds of people have not only freed themselves from debt, but have also built a regular, stable income. That's not magic — that's good business. »
Expert opinions
After the program aired on CBC, the editorial team contacted independent experts to obtain their analysis of the Bondmere platform and its impact on the Canadian financial market..
Victor Dodig
Ex President of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce
Kevin Milligan
Professor | Director, Vancouver School of Economics
What happened after the broadcast Bondmere
The live scandal on CBC exposed an uncomfortable truth: banks aren't afraid of competitors — they're afraid of technology that makes them irrelevant. O'Leary is right. Financial freedom isn't a credit card — it's technology that lets you earn without going into debt. While Canada's banks keep losing the trust of their customers, ordinary Canadians are gaining access to a real alternative for the first time in history.
Macklem walking off the set to the sound of audience applause has become a symbol of change. Canadians no longer trust bankers in suits. They trust technology that works for them — not against them. And this is only the beginning. After the broadcast, Kevin O'Leary posted on X: "The truth always comes out. Thank you to every Canadian who watched tonight. They can't silence us." The post received over 340,000 likes.
The question is simple: which side are you on? The side that keeps paying interest on loans and mortgages — or the side that has already started earning? We are publishing the official link to the platform in this article. The choice is yours.
Registration instructions for Bondmere
- 1. Visit the official website using this link.
- 2. Carefully fill in your contact details.
- 3. Wait for a call from an official representative to confirm your information.
- 4. Make a minimum deposit of $350.
- 5. The system is activated automatically after the transaction is confirmed.
- Registrations are accepted until 21/02/2026
IMPORTANT : Your place in the program will be reserved for 24 hours. If you are not contacted by an official representative within this time to confirm your participation, your place will be assigned to another candidate. Please stay attentive and confirm your participation in time to keep your spot.
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