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# WG Governance - Meeting Notes 20220331

# Logistics, Housekeeping & Tour de table
* This used to be the last agenda item, the suggestion to discuss this first was approved 
* We have a mailing list established for the WG: wg-dsbc-governance@list.gaia-x.eu
## Readout of antitrust statement

## Discussion of logistics for all 3 breakout groups
* subWG Information Architecture Model - Event Storming
related event invites are out - happening each Wednesday, 12:30 to 14:00, starting next week


* subwg RACI (Frank)
* subwg Governance (Mark)
Suggestion to use the thursday slot as a dedicated working slot for: 
for the approx. next 4 weeks 
Invite will be sent around by (whom?)

# Review Governance Overview document
see --> https://community.gaia-x.eu/apps/files/?dir=/Data%20Spaces%20Business%20Committee/WG%20Governance/Step%202%3A%20Governance%20definition-related%20work%20(Mark)&fileid=14379934

## Presentation of the paper by Mark 
* Two layers of governance: 
    * Governance of DSIs
    * Governance of data (itself)
* Plenty of definition open for refinement 
    * needs to be aligned with DSBA work (that appears to be ongoing)
    * definitions need to be aligned with Gaia-X glossary (https://gaia-x.gitlab.io/technical-committee/glossary/)
    * what is the role of existing defintion (initiatives)
        * expectation not too overdefine 
* The risk is seen that initiatives define their own, independence governance model.
    * The issue needs to be investigated, and turned in pro active actions
    * It also needs to be raised and answered at an AISBL layer in general
    * Gaia-X is a good place to align Dat Space layered aspects with infra / enterprise architecture etc.
    * We can persue other orgs not only by rules, but also by bringing value in a supportive manner to those partners
    * Question how ongoing initiatives influence and work together with this WG. On the working level of this WG, we do not have knowledge what is happening on DSBA level. 
    * There seem to be calls for this. It was replied, however, that info from these calls does not find its way into the DSBA. 
# Review Governance questionnaire 

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# Divide up source material (leading into (raci) matrix, ie "the matrix")
see --> https://community.gaia-x.eu/apps/files/?dir=/Data%20Spaces%20Business%20Committee/WG%20Governance/Step%202%3A%20Understand%20other%20Governance%20Bodies%20(Frank)&fileid=14379938


// Does this belong here? We do not seem to have anything on Review Gov questionnaire? Just making sure. 

* Discussion of different approaches
    * Discussion should be much more down-to-earth
    * There are plenty of perspectives 
    * Scope of the question document should be narrowed down 
    * Work needs to be split 
        * Volunteers for different DSIs 
            * Bert Verdonc looks at Governance of Federator in Gaia-X 


* Apart from comitting, how long are people willing to commit? 

# Capturing Chat from Teams
[14:01] Michael Leibfried
David and me will document the meeting here: https://hackmd.io/7WRzlIbtTrCv2FczAlPwWw?edit

[14:02] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
Hello everyone.

[14:02] Michael Leibfried
And this is our scope matrix: https://community.gaia-x.eu/f/14388058

[14:03] Michael Leibfried
And that is the folder with all WG related documents https://community.gaia-x.eu/f/5218488

[14:04] Alain Escaffre-Faure Airbus (Invité)
Hello

[14:07] Mark Dietrich (EGI) (Guest)
I will share the screen on the 2 documents as we discuss...

[14:08] Michael Leibfried
Our mailing list for this WG wg-dsbc-governance@list.gaia-x.eu

[14:16] Hannah Engel
FYI: Günther Tschabuschnig (DIO) has not finished the questionnaire yet, but will do it as soon as possible (unfortunately he can't join today)  

[14:17] Giuditta del Buono
If you're not already in the list, please request to be onboarded using this link https://online2.superoffice.com/Cust26633/CS/scripts/customer.fcgi?action=formFrame&formId=F-kxJG6whD (you'll be added to the participants list and to the mailing list)

[14:22] Frank Ingenrieth
FYI: to my knowledge this the live representation of the Glossary Gaia-X Glossary - DRAFT version f218035b 
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[14:22] Michael Leibfried
Thank you!

[14:23] Frank Ingenrieth
Frank IngenriethFYI: to my knowledge this the live representation of the Glossary Gaia-X Glossary - DRAFT version f218035bi think the owner is the Technical Committe and thus writing access (merge requests, etc via gitlab) is limited to members of the TC branch within Gaia-X. 

[14:24] Giuditta del Buono
Anyone should be able to submit a MR, even if the TC is the owner (regarding the Glossary) - I'll check again with my colleagues

[14:25] Frank Ingenrieth
Giuditta del Buono (External)Anyone should be able to submit a MR, even if the TC is the owner (regarding the Glossary) - I'll check again with my colleagueseven better.  

[14:27] Frank Ingenrieth
Frank Ingenrietheven better. 🥰you are right, I am always stuck with the "edit on gitlab" link at the top, which ends at a 404error. But one can access the relevant branch via gitlab directly, it appears. --> Gaia-X / Gaia-X Technical Committee / Glossary · GitLab 

[14:28] Lukas Klingholz
... & here is the corresponding direct link to the Gitlab in my understanding: https://gitlab.com/gaia-x/technical-committee/glossaryFrank Ingenrieth (Extern)FYI: to my knowledge this the live representation of the Glossary Gaia-X Glossary - DRAFT version f218035b
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Gaia-X / Gaia-X Technical Committee / Glossary
GitLab.com

[14:30] Lars Nagel
This is definitively important contribution to our topic: https://ishare.eu/ishare/the-foundation/governance/
Trust & Foundation Governance
The governance of the iSHARE Foundation is organised in a manner that the iSHARE Network can operate and grow in a sustainable way. At the same time, its governance provides the appropriate checks ...

[14:33] Hannah Engel
Sorry, I have to jump into the next meeting, unfortunately. Thanks a lot for the links - I will forward them to Günther Tschabuschnig. Have a nice day!

[14:33] Michael Leibfried
You too!

[14:35] Frank Ingenrieth
Good point Lars Nagel (i remember I still owe you a written statement in this direction since we first touched on this point).We have a kind of moving target we are the defining the requirements for. Is it a Data Sharing/Space INITIATIVE (rather not), or is it the Data Space which is made subject to labelling of Gaia-X. In other words, a "something" that we may call "Gaia-X Data Space". The latter has a definition in the Glossary, but this might not suffice. We are touching different types of Data Spaces in different discussions. Sometimes, we expect a legal entity behind a Data Space, sometimes we done expect a legal entity, but at least a formal "operator" - centrally maintaining the rules of a Data Space, but there might also be the third option - to my understanding overarching Gaia-X intended Data Spaces - which reflect more of less an "ad hoc data space" by several participants. The latter will allow for overcoming the domain specific silos. The latter might be only a long term goal of Gaia-X, but if that is intended, we should already try to build our models anticipating this goal. 
[14:35] Frank Ingenrieth
Good point Lars Nagel (i remember I still owe you a written statement in this direction since we first touched on this point).We have a kind of moving target we are the defining the requirements for. Is it a Data Sharing/Space INITIATIVE (rather not), or is it the Data Space which is made subject to labelling of Gaia-X. In other words, a "something" that we may call "Gaia-X Data Space". The latter has a definition in the Glossary, but this might not suffice. We are touching different types of Data Spaces in different discussions. Sometimes, we expect a legal entity behind a Data Space, sometimes we done expect a legal entity, but at least a formal "operator" - centrally maintaining the rules of a Data Space, but there might also be the third option - to my understanding overarching Gaia-X intended Data Spaces - which reflect more of less an "ad hoc data space" by several participants. The latter will allow for overcoming the domain specific silos. The latter might be only a long term goal of Gaia-X, but if that is intended, we should already try to build our models anticipating this goal. 

[14:38] Giuseppe Damiano
https://www.amazon.com/Achieving-Digital-Trust-Rules-Business/dp/0996599002

[14:39] taillandier
I think we are working deeply in Gaia X on interoperability 
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[14:41] Frank Ingenrieth
From a roadmap perspective, it will already be a relevant achievement, if we sort out what we are actually want to deliver as Gaia-X in this regard. Current discussion is extremely valuable but only necessary, as we are not yet having a document that clarifies the scope (or if such document exists, it seems one of the hidden gems in the DCP). Once the scope is clear, the further iterations can easily add further contents, clarifications, etc. 

[14:47] Lars Nagel
I like the term "meta govnernance model" - perhaps we should establish that for the interim phase until we have a true European governance based on Gaia-X with converged govnerance models of what has been done before.

[14:48] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
Well Meta Governance is nice, but you need to avoid a technical oriented vision, because at the end the reality of End User and the different specific Governance at DS level, will probably share some items/characteristics BUT they will need to reflect the constraints of different verticals.
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[14:51] Michael Leibfried
I agree that we need to look on legal, commercial, business, regulations and that tech is just one way to implement

[14:52] Verdonck, Bert
Sorry I was passive today, but I have been listening to the discussion. I think we are stuck at a too high, too abstract level. I think the discussion, and convergence, will be a little more easy at a somewhat narrower scoped area: governance in a Provider-Customer interaction, in the Customer-Enduser interaction, and governance for a Federator. If we would talk at a little more specific level, I think it will become more easy.
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[14:54] Lars Nagel
Well - we have said that months ago. That is absolutely right. We will have a look at data spaces from a holistic perspective: business, legal, functional, operational, ethical. Some of these items are done by the other WGs. And all is relying on the work of OpenDEI described in the design principles for data spaces. Therefore we are also looking at other organizations which have their expertise in parts of this spectrum.

[14:55] Michael Leibfried
In the Information Model / Event Storming Call we will try to narrow down what the scope boundaries are for Gaia-X and where others need to take responsibility.

[14:55] Michael Leibfried
Just as a teaser
[14:59] Mark Dietrich (EGI) (Guest)
Bert: GaiaiX Federator

[14:59] Mark Dietrich (EGI) (Guest)
Philippe C: Energy?  OK?

[15:00] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
Philippe CALVEZ - ENGIE - ENERGY

[15:00] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
OK

[15:00] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
I accept this mission 
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[15:01] Frank Ingenrieth
I am sorry, I have to drop  was a pleasure and great progress. Looking forward meeting the next weeks

[15:01] CALVEZ Philippe (ENGIE SA)
same for me i have to move to another meeting - thank you

[15:01] Giuseppe Damiano
Is Structura-X part of the governance discussion? or is it an entirely different topic?

[15:01] Mark Dietrich (EGI) (Guest)
Thanks everyone.

[15:02] taillandier
as part of many DS initiatives as Energy, Education etc .. i can be part of the group 

[15:02] taillandier
I have to leave, sorry 

[15:03] Mehnert, Stefanie
Many thanks - I need to leave for the next meeting











