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we're going to do uh put together a 
video investigation of whatever we find 
you know if I find the jetpack if I find 
miners with jetpacks we will film it and 
uh we will tell you we got miners with 
jetpacks and we'll we'll we'll we'll 
report that so whatever we find we're 
going to report and if we find nothing 
if we find nothing or maybe maybe the 
villagers are completely exaggerating 
this whole scenario who knows I mean the 
only way really knows to go up that 
River that's it that's the only way 
we're ever going to find out so that's 
what we intend to do 
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hello everybody how you doing uh thanks 
for tuning into the show I'm going to go 
straight into it tonight because we've 
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David how are you doing good I'm really 
looking forward to this yes no so am I 
mate it's good to be back on as well 
I've missed a couple of these these 
shows and Ollie wasn't well on Friday 
and stuff like that so it's nice to be 
back um without further Ado uh Stephen D 
I've said it wrong Dena Dena there you 
go yeah good from the unidentified alien 
podcast thank you for coming on our show 
today yeah my pleasure guys thanks for 
uh thanks for having me thanks for the 
invite always happy to jump on and talk 
about all the wild stuff that's 
happening yeah well I mean to start with 
the the like the reason I found your 
show was I was searching for shows that 
was talking about the Peru thing which 
is kind of what we were going to sort of 
scratch on tonight and um first of all I 
find it I found the pro things like just 
like fascinating it's 
the at at worst there is the beginning 
of an alien invasion deep in the Amazon 
you know at best 
we have got um like a scenario where the 
official story to me seems wilder than 
than aliens which is great crazy um and 
you were said in your show that there 
there was been uh attacks that had G in 
Brazil and it looked like these things 
were traveling through the through the 
Amazon 
River and I I just wonder where this is 
going to start with it feels like for 
for one better words given that like the 
video that came out there seems to be 
some more meat on the bone than the 
usual story of this sort of 
caliber yeah I think what what kind of 
captures me with this story and is 
probably the same thing for you guys is 
the amount of witnesses of people who 
have nothing to gain by reporting this 
stuff you know these aren't people 
making Tik toks and trying to gain 
followers these are you know humble just 
regular old people villagers in Peru who 
are just living their lives right 
they're not they're not trying like I 
said to gain social media followers and 
get clicks on YouTube and things like 
that they're just yeah this is what's 
happening to them and they don't know 
how to explain it they're seeing these 
things these luminous beings floating 
through the air they're you know being 
attacked with for lack of a better term 
some type of ray gun with this you know 
light flashing at them and then become 
immobilized I mean this is stuff 
that it defies explanation and it's it's 
happening we just don't know what the 
heck it is it's 
incredible yeah I mean we had um uh how 
do you pronounce it Dave is it rea the 
his name is Doug goes by Doug but he 
goes by Recker yeah for the uh American 
um man you had to ask me and I had to 
freeze on 
it I want to say like vigilante but 
that's not it's like U 
it's linked in that show and I feel bad 
for not knowing off the top of my head 
but it is it is a strange pronunciation 
uh yeah he's going down there with 
another gentleman U again I'm blanking 
on it which is sad Timothy alberino yes 
you're on it I see I can like names 
aren't my thing man I can picture him in 
his hat and his shirt like he's always 
posing in the pictures he's got that 
down he very much so looks like the guy 
who's taken an 18 hour Trier river trip 
up River you know like he looks like the 
guy lined all a bunch of people up I 
picked that guy out of the crowd no he's 
gone up an Amazonian River like for 18 
hours definitely it's that guy and uh 
recers going with him yeah I'm pumped to 
see I mean they're actually going there 
that's F that's exactly what needs to 
happen but I I noticed on the Twitter 
that they uh they put out which is like 
the Peru attacks or something like that 
on X um the they just did the whole 
thing of running the that glowing being 
like through the is it AI generated 
thing and that came back as as like 
human made 
so I I don't really know what you take 
from that I mean essentially if you make 
something in Photoshop I suppose it 
would come back as human made wouldn't 
it just means it's not AI like 
influenced 
um but 
the for me I I I wonder and we 
unfortunately I wasn't on the the 
interview that you did with recer guy 
but the uh and his H there was a storm 
where where he was and it cut out just 
before olle was asking him what he 
thought about the idea of like a project 
blue beam something like that and could 
what's going on down in Peru be a a 
precursor or a test for that type of 
thing and that's that's something I've 
been wondering about ever since it 
happened yeah it's it's an interesting 
Theory and you can't help but to think 
it right you know with all the talk of 
of you know Project Blue beam over the 
years um we always look for those 
instances of like okay is this it is 
this the one and I actually I kind of 
shy away from this being that and the 
only reason being and look I'm not Mr 
knowt all by any means I'm just trying 
to make sense of it like everybody else 
but the only reason I would say it's not 
something new where this would be the 
beginning of like a blue beam or 
something along those lines these 
reports go back 
decades and yeah you know from people 
these these beings I guess we can call 
them have been nicknamed by the 
villagers there in Peru as face peelers 
you know translated to English I can't 
remember the Spanish pronunciation 
piscal I think it is yeah I'm not gonna 
try and murder that so I no I think 
that's I think that's pretty sure that's 
it um but that's the thing is that like 
that nickname didn't come about just a 
couple of months ago that came about 
back in like the 80s I mean there is a 
newspaper story that was done in a 
Brazilian newspaper not Peru Brazilian 
newspaper that talked about this an 
instance like this back in the 80s so 
again you have these reports going back 
you know multiple decades and now here 
we are today in 2023 where you have 
these same reports happening in Peru and 
Brazil again so it just makes you wonder 
you know is this some type of occurrence 
where these beings only do this every so 
often where they make this type of 
contact are they only coming you know 
making themselves uh making themselves 
you know appear for a certain amount of 
time for some unknown reason is it a 
survivability thing are they coming out 
of hibernation like I don't know like 
these are all just I I'm just 
spitballing here but it's just weird how 
these aren't new reports I think they're 
just catching on now because of social 
media and more people are finding out 
about it and you know guys like us hear 
about it and we're like wait what's 
what's happening people are seeing what 
they're being attacked by what so 
maybe the the like the current climate 
where people can talk about these things 
you we've had Congressional hearings and 
stuff like that now I I wonder if that 
means these like more Sensational 
stories can filter to the top a little 
bit easier rather than just immediately 
being Stamped Out it's like oh no no 
that's that's 
ridiculous yeah I hope so because 
because you know there were reports that 
um you know even the politicians in Peru 
in Brazil were going to be having 
hearings like they did in the US and in 
Mexico and Brazil I think was more along 
the lines of uh almost like being 
imminent with with doing this stuff like 
the politicians do talk about this in 
the open um it's talked about within the 
Brazilian military U where they have 
been responding to the reports of these 
beings being in the water like within 
the Amazon River these things being 
reported so the Brazilian military have 
actually responded to that to 
investigate because look they also have 
to investigate is this a human thing is 
this some type of you know Espionage or 
secret type of you know highlevel 
experiment with with this advanced 
technology that maybe is reverse 
engineered that some type of you know uh 
Maybe not maybe not an actual country is 
doing whether it be the United States or 
otherwise but some type of you know 
black sight group where they're 
conducting their own experiments and 
they make themselves appear as if 
they're luminous and they have these 
weapons but why would they be down there 
and doing these things again it's all 
it's all Up For 
Debate it's it's wild because it's like 
clips from Predator esque movies you 
know like you expect Arnold 
Schwarzenegger to be somewhere in the 
jungle running around with this but you 
also can immediately like if you hear it 
and you've read about you know obviously 
the Skinwalker Ranch and everything 
that's going going on there like this 
kind of sounds like that Skinwalker 
phenomenon that they experience out on 
reservations where everybody stays 
inside and it's a thing and everyone's 
like it's not a thing and everyone that 
lives there is like this is definitely a 
thing and uh it just it kind of hearkens 
to that it's it is bizarre and the fact 
that it is so well established for so 
long is even 
stranger of media attention's weird yeah 
I think think it's interesting what 
Stephen just said then about the 
Brazilian government taking these things 
seriously because like being in the west 
we all we all think we have like this 
free and open shared internet and yeah 
it's of course like we we we live in 
free countries we'd hear what was coming 
across and all of a sudden you realize 
just how C part 
compartmentalized we are from my other 
parts of the world and like me we don't 
know what the what the average like word 
on the street about UFOs is in China or 
Russia or Korea you know we've no 
idea yeah it's it's a good point I mean 
all I can say is it's just it's just 
what I hear from people which is they do 
take this stuff seriously in Russia and 
in China and places like that as well um 
you know I've been told before by um by 
people who have I guess knowledge of 
military military strategies I guess you 
can say that we're not the only ones who 
try to reverse engineer these things you 
know because look you can debate all you 
want do we have craft do we not do you 
believe David grush and his claims that 
we reverse engineering these things do 
you 
not if you can get past all that and 
just look at what people within the 
military have claimed over the past 
decades and people that I've spoken to 
in the military and Military 
Intelligence where they've told me that 
not only do we have craft that we're 
working on and have reverse engineered 
but you do have Russia who does it as 
well and you do have China who does it 
as well maybe we don't know how far 
along they are I've also been told that 
they basically steal everything that we 
when I say we the United States 
government does um maybe that's just 
huous by the person I'm talking to I'm 
not sure but that's that's you know 
that's what I've been told I so no 
that's it's actually pretty factual I 
live near a lab and there was a Chinese 
National they found hanging in a secured 
area in the woods uh and it was just 
kind of nobody talked about it think it 
was just a everybody rolled in a few 
years ago and everyone just like so what 
was that about and everyone's like I 
don't know what you're talking about 
let's just uh get in line and go inside 
yeah 
whoa yeah yeah they're they're 
definitely everywhere it's but we're 
over there too it's it's a weird thing 
they they let everything go away with 
like that it's bizarre H what what do 
you think what do you think is going on 
in 
Peru 
man it's a tough question man it is if 
I I lean toward it's weird because I 
lean toward toward a a human experiment 
I lean toward advanced technology and 
some type of blacksight group that is 
over there doing these things for what 
reason I do not know um you know 
experimentation with the populace 
gauging people's reactions I mean your 
guess is as good as mine that's what I 
lean toward but the thing that always 
brings me back and makes where I argue 
with myself and I say well if that's the 
case and how could this have been 
happening in the 7 in the 80s as well 
like did the US government or whoever 
this might be if it is a human 
interaction did they have this 
technology 4050 years ago and if they 
did why are they using the same 
technology that they used 40 or 50 years 
ago you would think they would be 
testing out new technologies rather than 
the same stuff they were using in the 
80s when they got the nickname the face 
peelers for obvious grotesque reasons so 
it's um man I I do I go back I argue 
with myself about this it's like well 
it's got to be some type type of 
experimentation with some type of secret 
you know super secret advanced 
technology that the governments are 
trying to use but I just go around in 
that Circle so honestly I'm really not 
sure I wish I had a better answer but 
I'm really not sure it's it's it's crazy 
I've never seen anything like it in my 
life yeah no that's a good answer it's a 
good answer yeah I mean it made me think 
uh because of the interview you did with 
Michael Herrera the um the link to your 
podcast is in the description so we can 
go find it um when he obviously people 
remember him 
um coming out and saying that he like he 
saw a craft he was part of a team the uh 
he thought there there was some sort of 
human trafficking go going on and that's 
now changed to where he was without sort 
of like spoiling the full thread of your 
podcast he was then let into extra 
information he didn't know where people 
that are less contaminated by 
technology um find it easier to channel 
essentially Channel UFOs and to what 
they use within the back engineering of 
things and even to like to make them 
appear so they can shoot these things 
down H he then goes on to say that there 
could be like a thousand of these sites 
worldwise where they're where they're 
trying to they're channeling these craft 
in and then shoot then shooting them 
down to reverse engineer them and that 
got me thinking of how 
without humanizing it if if this is 
something 
extraterrestrial the uh without 
humanizing what they are too 
much how long even if it's an um even if 
they consider us so inferior we're such 
we're such a loose threat it doesn't 
matter 
if if for instance there was some sort 
of 
like let's say let's say a a special 
type of lion that like roed around the 
woods worked out that it could jack like 
a couple of cars a year and then that 
line told the other cars the the that 
line told the other Lions so a group of 
a thousand Lions could jack a car or two 
every year eventually we'd go we're 
gonna [ __ ] those Lions 
up right so I'm just if if his story is 
on the level how far can you push these 
things for things that are so much so 
far advanced than we are just going now 
I'm sorry this ends today yeah I think 
you you hit the nail on on the headle 
because it that's one thing that's um a 
lot of people are worried about is is if 
it's true and and I and I I know Michael 
Herrera not personally we've spoken of 
course you know the two interviews that 
I've done on my podcast with him um but 
we've spoken had long conversations off 
the air so to speak as well 
so just my opinion he comes across as a 
straight shooter um he comes across as a 
guy who is trying to do the right thing 
and is telling the telling the truth 
about what he's experiencing that's 
that's how he comes across to me just 
from the conversations I've had with him 
on and off the air um so if 
his if what he's being told is true okay 
not that I don't I don't he wouldn't 
make it up on purpose again just my 
impression of him if what he's being 
told is true which is that we are 
shooting down aircraft or or UFOs uaps 
otherworldly craft at a huge clip at a 
huge rate then what is to stop these 
extraterrestrials with this you know 
huge advanced technology from just 
squashing us like ants saying all right 
like like enough already what are you 
guys doing like it comes to a point 
where they'll use the analogy of like a 
parent and a child 
like it comes to a point where your kid 
can only annoy you so much before you 
just snap and scream at him and give him 
a little spanking you know y so if 
that's the case how long before they 
give us the 
spanking I mean so if that's what's 
happening it does it's it's concerning 
you know now is it being embellished to 
him maybe is is he be is he you know 
given a figure that is 
um being used to try to paint a broader 
picture than what's actually happening 
is possible but regardless even if we're 
only shooting down five alien craft a 
year and they know we're doing it on 
purpose like at some point they would 
have to say like screw you guys you know 
so it is it's a concern you're 
absolutely 
right it also kind of flies in the face 
like if that's that's the logic we're 
applying right like we're waiting on the 
the galactic spanking if that's what's 
happening then that is clearly not 
related to the face 
rippers right they're not unless those 
poor peruvians are getting the spanking 
yeah right like I would feel bad because 
they haven't really done anything wrong 
they haven't done anything you know so I 
don't yeah it does it does feel separate 
and if that's the case I guess that kind 
of goes to um you know the different 
talk of different species right where 
you have the nordics you have the tall 
Grays you have the tall whites and you 
have the reptilians and you know all the 
all these different species that are 
said to be roaming around the planet or 
already on planet Earth and you know 
whether or not that's the case they say 
that some were more nice than others so 
it makes you wonder who's doing what 
which one is which you know you know 
it's 
bizar it's bizarre I was at like a muon 
meeting with some people and it was like 
one that was in my area I was I'm going 
to go to this and I was talking to some 
people they seemed reasonable they seem 
logical we're having excellent 
discussion and they brought up like the 
here's our book with the 27 different 
known types of extra terrestrials and I 
was like how how do you know this nobody 
could nobody could tell me that uh and I 
was just like but it doesn't mean it's 
not right like when I listen to 
herrera's 
story it which I listened to that 
episode I listen to that that particular 
podcast twice 
it's it's a wild podcast everybody 
listening definitely go to Stephen's 
podcast and check that out I'm sure 
we'll have it linked you do that do that 
listen to it a couple times Reserve 
judgment and thought just go all the way 
through because I had to do that around 
the second time it went through 
something clicked in my head I don't 
know if you know this but there's been a 
couple huge conglomerate corporations 
buying up all the DNA companies 
globally that makes zero 
sense no that's interesting I wasn't 
aware of that yeah no they're all owned 
by the same Corporation now all of them 
um what are they looking for 
that's the only reason to do that right 
you're looking for something I've always 
been freaked out by the like 23 and me 
and like companies like I I don't the 
the amount of um like research 
and what's the word I'm looking for like 
facilities that to be put into that just 
so I can find that I'm not no .4% 
African that doesn't that doesn't seem 
to add up in my eyes that's a lot of 
work it makes you wonder you know what 
what are they keeping it for what 
happens after to do all the testing I 
know I know what you mean yeah yeah what 
what do they really want but no I mean 
it just like when I was listening to a 
story it it clicked in that and I I I'm 
very interested by his story I'm very 
interested by the details I'm very 
interested by the way he tells his story 
um you you did a great job with the 
interview to get stuff that I've never 
heard him say anywhere else 
well no thank you no I appreciate that 
very much guys I appreciate you uh with 
with the shout outs here tonight it's 
you know a lot so yeah I agree with you 
about him as well even when I when I 
watched the interviews when he did the 
the the three gria guys did the Sha Ryan 
Show one after another I thought he came 
across as the 
most like trustworthy of the three of 
those people as 
well yeah Herrera is um he's he's an 
interesting dude he really is and I mean 
that in a good way um because he again 
and just in the conversations that that 
I've had with him he just really really 
strikes me as someone 
who wants wants the right result and he 
wants to be the guy that helps to get 
the right result and even if that means 
maybe he's in danger you know and I 
think that's a lot of reasons why a lot 
of whistleblowers you know we see we all 
see the reports about oh there's 25 
whistleblowers lined up you know 
representative burett swears they're all 
ready to go and then no nothing happens 
and then nobody talks and yeah so it it 
takes a lot for guys like Michael 
Herrera and even DC long and and Eric 
Hecker again make of them what you will 
when you talk about you know the guys 
who were at at the GRE conference back 
in June um you know again everybody has 
their own opinions about all three men 
I've spoken to them and so everybody has 
their own opinion and that's fine 
but I still admire them even if even if 
people think that they're you know lying 
through their teeth or they're making it 
up or their puppets or whatever that's 
up to you to decide yeah I'm just I my 
opinion is I admire them for standing up 
and coming out against the fire because 
that's exactly what they've done 
especially with with with Mike Carrera 
he's uh he's had a lot of threats so I 
feel for go it's this so so just this is 
quite quite a good segue to what what I 
wanted to ask you next because I know 
you you pushed for time um the like when 
you look at whistleblowers all you need 
to do is think of Julian assage Chelsea 
Manning um Edward Snowden whistle blown 
doesn't work out for people very well 
and those were secrets that were gonna 
irritate a government and alter a 
country uh when you're talking about 
like nonhuman intelligence and stuff 
like that you're talk about 
whistleblowing on things which will 
change like the entire Paradigm that we 
that we live in MH so I can't help think 
I I know that like the The Whistleblower 
protections have come through but I I 
still find that weird you know I I find 
it weird how you can be a official 
whistleblower you know that it that it 
doesn't sit with me properly um so the 
question is is why is why is this being 
allowed to happen now and it's not 
because I I'm I'm sure if someone tried 
to come out say in the '90s with this 
sort of stuff if it's true and they they 
would have been silenced really quickly 
so there's a reason I keep saying on the 
on this show uh there's a reason right 
now that the at least the US government 
want my mom and dad to believe in aliens 
for some 
reason yeah yeah it's a great question 
it's kind of like um you know that 
double-edged sword right you kind of get 
excited of like hey this is this we've 
never heard anybody talking like this 
before in the in the US government or in 
the governments of the world and take 
this stuff seriously and then you stop 
to think to yourself but 
why why now yeah and and I've had that 
question myself and I've I've asked that 
to a couple of different people um on 
some of the interviews that I've done 
and even outside of interviews and the 
the reason that they keep coming back to 
is kind of like 
this almost like this leak of 
information almost like saying okay um 
we're gonna give you a little bit okay 
and you know we we know that you know 
some of this stuff there's only so much 
that you can hide throughout time so if 
you start to give a little then you give 
the illusion that you're getting a lot 
and then people kind of you know take 
the bait and then they run with it m and 
then maybe they just get distracted by 
the next thing 
so that's that's at least some of the 
the um Impressions that I've been given 
when I've investigated that question 
myself it's just kind of like well here 
you go here's here's some crumbs go go 
have fun you know so I I don't know I 
mean you can make of that but I guess it 
kind of makes sense it does make sense 
but it's been so it's been so consistent 
and 
the even when you look back at the the 
the Las Vegas like sightings as well and 
that to me that that's why when um uh 
the Peru thing first bubbled up like I I 
think Ole who isn't on this show show 
now he was like to to start with he said 
no this is this is going to end end up 
being nothing I said no no I I think 
this is going to keep going because the 
Las Vegas thing kept going and it seems 
like there's just enough news being put 
out into the cycle to just keep this 
wheel moving forward and it's it's like 
every month I'm sure I'm sure in another 
month or two the the Peru thing might go 
completely silent but I bet there'll be 
something else and then there'll be 
something 
else yeah I mean some people even go as 
far to say that they use it as a 
distraction that they use it as a 
distraction story from other things that 
goes on you know behind the scenes maybe 
that's the case too maybe they you know 
so to speak and I don't really like this 
explanation but some people say you know 
they drum up the alien stories bring out 
the aliens you know when they want to 
you know look at the shiny thing over 
here and don't pay it's a new phenomena 
though isn't it it's a if they are using 
that as disinformation it's a new 
phenomena and I I always go back to the 
when when the first stories like dropped 
in the New York was New York Times 
article uh so was that was 2017 I think 
and then there was like an official 
confirmation of it in sort of late early 
2020 I think something like that right 
um and I I can't help think that it was 
strange timeing to do that when 
everybody was in lockdown so it was like 
we're going to tell all these 
[ __ ] about aliens when we know 
they're watching no they're not even at 
work everybody's watching yeah yeah it's 
a good point and it really does it makes 
you wonder like why do they want us to 
know certain things about it but then 
they still hold back 
right I mean we just had this past week 
where you know Representatives here in 
the US with burett and Luna and 
moscowitz they go into the skiff and 
everybody's excited they're going to the 
skiff they're going to the skiff and 
then they come out and they're like yeah 
we didn't learn anything because they 
just go in there and they're told you 
don't have the top secret clearance to 
know the answers to the questions that 
you're asking and then they you just get 
stonewalled and stonewalled because 
you're not cleared enough and that's 
incredible to think for the US Congress 
like you can't even have oversight 
because you don't have clearance to have 
oversight about the things that you're 
asking about it's it's wild yeah I 
actually I actually made that prediction 
on a show that nothing was gonna come 
there and the point was like why was 
like so even if they go and say that 
they it's code word classified and 
somebody's given them the code word 
right that's all you need that's all you 
need you're in the skip you're in the 
secure I got code word it's you know 
project Blu-ray Mocking Bird seven 
whatever all right so I tell you all 
about it they're like oh my God now I 
know and if you tell anyone will kill 
everyone you know right you can say 
nothing because they're not cleared like 
people like they're going to get the 
info they still can't tell you they 
can't even tell you that they've been 
told like it's it it always blows my 
mind in that regard like it was going to 
be and it was never going to be a moment 
I mean I get it for them if I was in 
their shoes and you know tell me and 
I'll you know spin the story anywhere 
you want but I would know I'd probably 
make that 
deal I mean I'd probably make that it's 
hard to turn down it's hard to turn down 
it's hard to turn down and not only that 
like whistleblowers like we were talking 
about I get why there's not a lot of 
them the government is scary the 
government is scary in the ways most 
people don't understand especially the 
American government like if you want 
like you got a whistleblower and he's 
like I've got say you had a guy who 
worked at the doe and has actually seen 
alien material at the labs right he's 
like I know what this is I have class 
I'm going to tell he goes and checks his 
mail one morning and there's pictures of 
his kids kid in 
school guess who's not testifying right 
yeah you stay home you stay home you 
know how much longer do I have to 
retirement yeah let's just ride this out 
because I here's one thing that I know 
happens for a fact people with high 
level security when they get older and 
this is a new thing especially because 
of the nuclear programs and things that 
have gone on here in the US as people go 
to care facilities because their mind 
starts to slip they get interviewed on a 
regular 
basis because the things they know 
should still stay secret right things 
need to stay quiet and you know a lot of 
stuff and now you're starting to slip so 
what happens well we'll put them in 
Special 
Care will you or will you just up that 
Med because there's a lot of people that 
are retiring out that have a lot of 
Secrets 
and none of it's slipping out at the 
nursing homes I mean even like the 
mundane ones like nuclear ones nuclear 
security right that's a huge thing 
there's a lot of people involved you did 
put one of them in 
charge yeah right well that's a that's a 
different 
conversation not fit for YouTube I say 
nothing I say nothing yeah I didn't 
bring that up let's let's pretend like 
nothing happened but so like just and 
here's mine so you know Stephen it's 
something I've been working with and 
I've talked about on the show a few 
times if there's a milit if there's a 
government organization that I believe 
has access to any type of extrenal 
extraterrestrial interdimensional 
whatever technology something we don't 
know it's definitely the department of 
energy because they have unique security 
clearance they have bases that are 
secured against the military against 
Congress you know what I mean you have 
to have very special credentials to get 
on there and even then you're escorted 
you can't go anywhere and if you try and 
sneak on most of them are surrounded by 
nuclear waste that's a hell of a hike 
you're risking your life on yeah you 
know uh there are place out there that 
you know a brief walk through the area 
you have cancer now um you know so it's 
it's an interesting control mechanism 
and it's and it's something that I never 
see anyone talk about like Area 51 
that's a department of energy owned 
property they own that land you know 
they own most of the land that's 
important it's curious yeah I think I 
think you you Ed the key term there a 
control mechanism US government has has 
uh got a real hold on control mechanisms 
over the past 80 years or so so you're 
absolutely right and there's a lot of 
different arms that they can use to 
control and that's what makes it so 
difficult and I think that's the weird 
thing is that they 
they I guess allow might be the right 
word I think that's that come out and 
then the rest are like n you're still 
not finding out about that it's 
frustrating yeah I'd still be on the 
payroll though just for any government 
agency listening I'll say whatever you 
want the right I you ain't got a read me 
man buy me I'm cheap 
cheap um before you shoot off do you 
think this is going to come to anything 
do you think because I I've I made this 
bold prediction that I think they're 
going to use whether 
it's some sort of planned disinformation 
or whether it's real um next year around 
the um like the anniversary of Roswell I 
think we're going to get like Roswell 
details 
maybe yeah no I I that would be really 
something wouldn't it you know if we're 
that far removed now that they decide to 
actually give us something but I guess I 
it's a tough question to answer because 
I think there's a lot of layers when you 
say you know where does this go what do 
we find out I think in some senses we've 
gone further already than we ever 
thought we were going to yeah over the 
past couple of years I think it's wild 
as well that people play it down you 
know especially when you like I've the I 
know you get people like come like have 
like UFO YouTube channels and stuff like 
that and they always refer to themselves 
as like researchers and stuff like that 
we don't really like play with that 
we're just commentators we find we find 
this stuff interesting it's fun to talk 
about and uh that's that's kind of where 
we sit with it um but I find it weird 
that these people that have supposedly 
been like like 
researching uh whatever that means like 
for years and years and years they um 
they all they want to do is play this 
down like you literally had a 
conversation about UFOs and Congress and 
you're trying to tell me it means 
nothing yeah that no right right that 
that's ridiculous I mean it absolutely 
does mean something because what it 
means is the conversation changes the 
narrative changes the the view of the 
topic changes it goes from you know tin 
foil High conspiracy you know some uh 
corn farmer who's picking his belly butt 
and says he saw his cow taken up by UFO 
you know that's what people always think 
about when they say oh yeah okay sure 
buddy you saw UFO uhhuh now it's 
actually come to a thing where they're 
having serious conversations about it so 
the image changes the image and has 
changed from that you know crazy person 
who says they saw their cow taken by UFO 
to a David grush or Ryan Graves or David 
fraver people with military experience 
decorated military guys who are 
respected by thei and their peers who 
have sat down under oath in front of US 
Congress that's the image now so I think 
that is that's probably been the biggest 
turn for me over a short period of time 
really over two years so I I'm excited 
man I don't think we're done yet this 
year I wouldn't be surprised to see some 
really intriguing stuff come out during 
the 
holidays um and that's just my own 
personal Theory I don't have any any 
intel on that by any means that's just 
my theory because people are going to be 
distracted with the holidays so you 
might see them you know trying to sneak 
some things in under under the rug and 
after that you know we have the new 
defense authorization act that's being 
passed by Senator Schumer that's 
supposed to be passed by the beginning 
of 24 and that might open up some doors 
um for some new revelations in 24 that 
that I have been told that part I have 
been told awesome we've definitely kept 
you man I can I hear you got obligations 
uh we'd love to have you back on we'll 
figure out the time thing and yeah for 
sure I'm sorry it got so dark in here no 
worries into the void yeah the the sun 
set on me rather quickly here in South 
Florida so I wasn't the time starting to 
change so glad sorry it got dark there 
at the end and no worries but um yeah 
for sure know I I appreciate you guys 
again thank you for having me on for the 
invite and for uh for the shout out with 
with what I've been doing with with um 
you know the UAP podcast really 
appreciate it you're doing great stuff 
man you're doing I recommend anyone 
everyone goes and listens to it and it's 
it was just nice when I when I listen to 
it to to hear somebody talking about 
this sort of stuff which I I with the 
same I I think Cur curiosity and 
excitement as I think we talk about it 
as well I then that that's you know 
there was no no pretense of like I know 
what's going on it's just like no this 
is [ __ ] wild yeah I appreciate that a 
lot yeah no Madonna syndrome it's just 
fun you know exactly let's have a cool 
conversation man that's right thanks 
guys thanks cheers everybody see you 
soon bye 
bye boom that was fun this podcast is 
kick ass it's great yeah it's it's a 
really good show I really it's it's in 
my regular circle of podcast listening 
now but it's it just like it's such a 
wild time to be into this sort of stuff 
isn't 
it is it I think so yeah I mean it's the 
I I I don't know whether it's it 
it's almost becoming too much like a 
like sport maybe 
because you know because it's so 
exciting I could see that I can that 
that that I think plays a little more 
for me like it also gives me a break you 
know because there's so 
much crazy [ __ ] going on in the real 
world quote unquote real world this is 
fun to an extent I mean the face rippers 
is not fun anyone involved that's not 
having fun and it is a bizarre situation 
the the rip uh might be having 
fun I don't know I don't know you don't 
you don't want to be the rcky not make 
an assumption you don't not make an 
assumption there either people learn to 
people wear dog 
masks um I'm just saying like if you're 
if you if you're going as far as ripping 
something's face off I think you're 
doing it because you like it I don't 
know never never ripped anyone's face 
off that I'm going to admit to on 
camera but I'm just saying they're doing 
a thorough job of that bone that white 
bone is any indication wow you are a 
professional um no man 
it it's bizarre is it fun like for a 
while there it was fun A year ago I 
think it was fun even maybe more than a 
year ago it was fun and it seems the 
deeper and deeper we continue to go we 
talk to more people 
the more [ __ ] bizarre it gets to the 
point it's just like this is insane this 
is insane I go back to the like things 
being shut down after the like Chinese 
spy balloon was scene and we were doing 
a live stream and somebody popped up in 
the chat going another UFO's been shot 
down over Canada like that a normal 
thing to say happens all the time yeah 
yeah like that's just of course of 
course we're doing doing a live stream 
about UFOs and another UFO is just being 
shot down over Canada why else why else 
would we be here that's how that works 
that's how that works Le yeah like 
Rudolph um just popped up in here say 
saying like the proof things a grift I 
don't understand who's doing the grift I 
I know I get see the problem I I I have 
here is I think the problem problem is 
when you get um like the I'm not saying 
these people are grifting by the way but 
I'm when you've got the like the record 
guy and you've got the Timothy albino 
albino albino um and he does stuff for 
History Channel doesn't he he's done a 
lot of stuff yeah I think so so 
obviously if he if he's if they're going 
over to proove they've got some sort of 
funding to do it so whether it's going 
to be on his YouTube channel or 
someone's YouTube channel or History 
Channel there is some sort of content 
going to be made in the same way when we 
went to you to see you Dave we made 
content in a [ __ ] ha prison did we 
because it's apparently done it's 
apparently ready allegedly allegedly um 
so that's right what you've got there is 
you've got a story and people are going 
to make money off a story that's that's 
[ __ ] 
journalism of the day it's exactly what 
it is it's a tax write off for TR um so 
yeah but the uh the thing is it's the 
beginning of the story like if if the 
whole story was a grift 
it would have to be a Griff from the 
beginning 
and see that's like he's just said there 
po poor people uh poor people in 
villages they they ask for money for 
interviews as soon as someone ask asks 
for money the grip start where I I 
haven't seen the interviews there's no 
people getting interviewed about this 
what there is is people is cell phone 
footage of people stood around going 
there was something over there and there 
a load of people running that way yeah 
yeah and I know that the Timothy guy 
he's bringing down medicine for the 
village they're bringing down food they 
got together with a church here in 
Nashville who's like sending things for 
people down there who need things 
um so there's a humanitarian aspect 
there it and the reality is that people 
think they're gonna make a YouTube video 
and make1 million off of this they're 
woefully wrong and they don't understand 
how anyone gets paid from YouTube uh 
that's that's not 
it can someone figure out way sure but 
so if it's a grift if it's a con it's a 
big con with a goal and an angle and the 
argument to that would be that the 
people were talking about would be the 
people who set this up in the 80s so 
that they could reap it today be you 
know or maybe they're playing off a 
known myth in the jungle I could see 
that so they bought a you know 300,000 
to a half million dollar 
jetpack got somebody to fly it around in 
a suit with LED lights to scare 
people and hopefully not crash into the 
canopy because it's a [ __ ] 
jungle let's not forget about the 
trees uh I'm I'm I'm missing it but you 
know I was never a good good at conning 
so like that that you know maybe some 
match di man out there's like oh I know 
how to do that yeah I think that's oh 
also Rudolph don't get me don't don't 
get me wrong I'm not I'm not picking on 
you I'm just oh definitely not I'm I'm 
I'm used using your comment because it 
was a good good way to spark 
conversation 
um yeah that that's the thing I just I 
always look at right it's not about 
who's making money now it's about who 
who's making money when it started I 
can't see I know I know that um uh you 
suggested maybe they wanted to do their 
own thing have their own YouTube thing 
like you're talking about like pretty 
[ __ ] right I I don't I'm trying to 
I'm trying to work I'm trying to be as 
like new liberal as possible 
here uh but you you talk about fairly 
primitive like in in comparison to what 
we're doing right now you know I don't I 
don't think the these guys are going to 
jump on the FI on fiber optics set 
themselves up with some uh with some 
nice microphones and a webcam and start 
doing a YouTube show they're B with the 
spotty yes I think have cell phones yeah 
yeah that's how from 
1997 correct it is old cell phones 
that's where your old cell phone you 
trade in goes to Third World areas um 
yeah man 
it that's the thing this is so bizarre 
you know I was talking about it with my 
wife and I was like this is just so 
strange and she just she never weighs in 
on this she she looks at his I'm 
slightly insane that's 
fine um cuz I am she's not wrong oh no 
no I'm definitely not saying she's wrong 
uh I'm getting a little laggy there for 
a second that was weird but 
um she made a point that she's like well 
it kind of makes sense right because at 
one time I was going to go to Peru 
because of all the ruins that are there 
all the stuff and Mysteries that are in 
Peru she like you know maybe they're 
coming back or maybe they're always 
there or whatever maybe that's their 
area 
right I'm not wrong on that but it is 
bizarre it is truly a bizarre situation 
I'm glad we I'm glad we've gotten to 
know someone who's actually going down 
there that'll be awesome come back I'm 
super pumped about that conversation um 
yeah we've been getting good people on 
lately stepen was awesome yeah I was um 
I was so upset when I watched because I 
um the this morning I watched the clip 
of that 
podcast uh that Ollie had re-uploaded 
and as soon as Ollie started asking 
about blue beam I was like yeah yeah 
getting edged all the way like no no I 
can't hear you now okay bye-bye I was 
like oh 
no and um because I I I do I keep 
thinking to myself 
that 
if if things have happened over the past 
three 
years let's say big events that might 
have had things that put used that might 
have been staged you know like things 
like people may be falling over in a 
street and maybe hospitals these these 
things might have been staged the face 
rops yes the the 
um it it would make sense to me if you 
if you were going to do that in the same 
way as let's say Le let's say if if 
there was towers that happened to come 
down and you were going to say like a 
third one fou but it happened to be in 
the background of you when you were 
saying it it would make sense to record 
all these things 
beforehand and so you have them ready to 
roll so if you're going to have a 
project play beam thing and you're going 
to do it then you're going to do it 
somewhere remote you're going to do it 
where there's very little technology out 
there to get this to to get the what 
what's going on out there and I wonder 
whether what you're seeing is 
the the b roll footage the b roll for a 
project blue beam that's b-roll I think 
it would be setup they're setting a 
story they're seting a story could be 
yeah yeah yeah because what is it the 
the videos you shared with the things in 
the lightning storms coming down yeah 
that was weird that was weird man bring 
might bring that up actually because 
that that that's worthy of a play I 
think yeah I mean I get it Ai and 
everything is so there so he just kind 
of got to go with whatever's out there 
but I found 
that truth is always so much Stranger 
Than 
Fiction the reality of a situation is 
always far more bizarre than the story 
of the situation you know 
um I just if this is an invasion it's a 
I gotta be honest nobody picked that as 
a starting place for the invasion they 
didn't blow up any major control Hub or 
military Hub where' they start started 
eating people's faces in 
Peru just godam love coffee 
um I'm just looking for this clip 
because I like I at 
first I started watching this Tik Tok I 
thought I'm not I'm not sure whether 
this is worth my time watching this and 
then um sorry I've got to put on the big 
monitor no worries the 
uh it was good it was weird it was weird 
you know you got to be skeptical about 
everything but you might as well lean 
into it and have a little fun that's you 
know it's all mental gymnastics I guess 
all an 
exercise somebody put was it 
ninjas got ninjas in Peru man 
that's no that was not on my 2023 bingo 
card I mean I've defin I I've had I've 
had Alien Invasion on my H apocalypse 
bingo card now for for quite some time 
and I'm waiting for them to tell 
everyone they're not aliens I genuinely 
feel like that's what the buildup is 
that they're not aliens at all I enjoyed 
the other day the 
um I can't remember what podcast it was 
on it had the two guys that wrote skin 
walks at the 
Pentagon um so what Jeremy 
Corbell yeah it was Jeremy Corbell one 
of the guys was Irish yeah yeah yeah 
yeah that's kelm Keller that's it yeah 
and uh when he turned around and said 
the if you still believe that this 
phenomena is nuts and bolts crap 
then you are ill equipped to talk about 
it and I I I I really like that I really 
like that because I'm as anyone that 
watches this I I think the the idea 
of I I I just wonder if these things 
have been visiting us for so 
long at what point did it stop being 
common 
knowledge what was strange was this the 
Herrera interview lined up with the 
Shawn Ryan interview that he did with a 
different guy who was talking about the 
Monroe Institute and psychic spies and 
things that the intelligence agency and 
the government have known about people 
and that some people are far more 
perceptive and they're trying to find 
ways to find those people because they 
use them up they use them up which is 
the same thing Herrera said although I 
really think what he saw was them 
getting together the Chuck 
Wagon for whatever else is out there I I 
don't think they're getting them because 
they're not inundated with technology so 
they're that doesn't make sense because 
if it's genetic thing it's a genetic 
thing unless it's some kind of exposure 
to microwaves or radiation or but then 
everybody is you're not hiding well no I 
mean I I kind of liked what he was 
saying there because he was he was 
suggesting thata because it's because uh 
technology and our addictions with 
social media is essentially like stop us 
vibrating a higher frequency so the 
closer you are to like a natural way of 
life is the higher vibration you be at 
so I have two problems with that one 
very woo yeah well no no it's not even 
that's not even the problem one it is 
such a put together thing that that is 
written I'm not saying he did it I'm 
saying whoever told him did that is a 
script that is an excellent because that 
is exactly what everyone would think 
yeah and everyone I've know who's ever 
had a serious spiritual experience are 
people in First World countries who are 
inundated with that stuff what would you 
say to that 
Lee did 
inhibit anything you know it's so 
it yeah it just seems well framed 
anything that's coming from some kind of 
government is well framed and I'm 
telling you if they would hire us we 
could help them with this [ __ ] man uh 
Rudolph's asked a different question 
another question here to to you uh and I 
don't know if you're going to know about 
this but I'm interested in this as well 
is that is there any news on the big 
building they had to build uh around 
around the artifact the grush thing yeah 
that was I would love to 
know I mean that was I I still think 
there's like there's been a few of these 
things and 
um that that Aussie journalist is well 
in the note like he's he's def he's he's 
he's been told stuff that he's been so 
right you can't you can't tell say this 
stuff and in the same ways I I believe 
Corell and um nap have been told things 
that they they can't they can't say yet 
I it wouldn't surprise me if they have 
an itinerary of things they can talk 
about and in what order they can do 
it 
um but like I I think there's nuggets 
thrown out in this in these things like 
there's there's I think that was a Mor I 
think the in the grush interview the 
first gush gush interview when he said 
he was asked about uh Roswell and he 
said no no I can't talk R well that's 
still classified I think that was a seed 
plant as well because it's say it's 
still classified that means later down 
the road you can declassify you can tell 
people about it so that's just a seed 
being 
planted I think that goes hand inand 
with like Chris blo interviews if you've 
listened to any of those the Chris blo 
interviews are interesting because the 
people he talks about like that book he 
wrote uh UFO God or something like 
that believe what I found at CERN they 
didn't really build a building over CERN 
though they just kind of dug it 
out well that's it CERN is I mean the if 
it was a [ __ ] disc s it's a big old 
Circle yeah 
but like there's places like there's 
huge government I live near a huge 
government building that you can't see 
on 
satellite um that's where they would put 
something like that right they' put it 
somewhere that you can't look you 
wouldn't 
look would they or would it be a Men in 
Black situation would it be like the 
would it be so secret it becomes movie 
it movie thing where it's all of a 
sudden it's the like the the largest 
stadium in the world which has an extra 
lift that no one goes in it's that's a 
good thought it's a good thought I've 
thought about that as well but I don't 
think they would leave something like 
that they just don't leave things like 
just precaution they don't leave things 
to happen stand but they do hide things 
in plain sight like when we went to 
Second Avenue Nashville and we looked at 
one of the internet Hub backbones of the 
United States that was a terrorist 
attack location that nobody talks about 
anymore yeah what did it look like it's 
a building that is hidden on one of the 
most popular streets in a 
state that millions of people go by 
millions of people go by this thing and 
it is an incredibly secure facility 
makes makes you think I mean we've 
constantly talked for uh years now about 
Denver Airport 
and it's always been like yeah but it's 
always been like it's it's where the 
elites are going to go during the 
apocalypse abely yeah but what if it's 
not what if that was built over 
something that's a good 
one that's a good one that's a good 
[Laughter] 
one Cheyenne Mountain 
yeah um right I'm I'm going to play this 
video for you fortunately it was linked 
from a different uh Twitter account the 
uh the guy I that's on this I have seen 
him on other T Tik toks and stuff right 
so I'm sorry if I can't I can't give 
credit to the original video uh but if 
you see him then you know slap him on 
the ass you do good 
stuff um but yeah I found this I I hope 
people can see see these things because 
the first one's really obvious and the 
second secondly slows down but I do 
think it's the same thing I think it's 
the same thing like film from three 
different angles I'm going to show you 
guys three very strange videos coming in 
from Venezuela of people who were 
recording a thunderstorm and 
accidentally caught what looks like a 
shadow figure descending very quickly 
would say I find it weird he said shadow 
figure and that almost made me skip the 
video from the side this is really 
strange 
this 
did you see that people at first thought 
it was a raindrop but you can clearly 
see behind the building what the heck is 
that here is video number 
two pay very close 
attention did you see it something off 
for the right hand side you see it 
better did you see it now well let's 
zoom in and slowmo the video you can 
clearly see one object there 
two 
objects what is that guys and now here 
is war the worlds man [ __ ] War of the 
Worlds it's the first thing that came to 
my mind yeah it is and like in War of 
the Worlds the things were already 
buried right the pilots ared they' 
prepositioned 
them uh let's get that clearly 
Illuminati woman off the 
uh Hey man she is okay to 
go 
um well you you when you said about the 
um 
the war the worlds thing that that 
that's where my head went with it as 
well because I'm [ __ ] 
lunatic um I'm like 70% sure lizard 
people 
real of course it was the first place 
they it's not zero% yeah what am I 
supposed to think it's CGI [ __ ] no it 
was aliens or 
demons uh 
[Music] 
um but then I I thought to myself about 
the about the War of the Worlds thing 
and you know I'm more than interested in 
a bit of predictor programming in in 
medium 
films and then I don't know why I hadn't 
put thought of this sort this sort of 
stuff 
before but it's not like we don't have 
like stories of 
titans of giants fighting that are that 
supposedly went back into the Earth back 
underneath the Earth and I and again 
with 
no [ __ ] evidence behind it 
because that's why we're here it's how 
we do things yeah like what if what if 
that's what it is what if these things 
ride [ __ ] Titans you know we have we 
have so much of that sort of stuff in 
our pop culture they R like 
me we have yeah then we're in trouble 
Lee we're in real trouble 
that's [ __ ] we suddenly are at the 
bottom of the food 
chain um I i' [ __ ] hate to find out 
that my my like my tiny island is like a 
[ __ ] Titan kneecap when it decides to 
wake 
up I mean you look at like what there's 
a what is it there's a podcast out there 
they were saying like the Nephilim are 
clowns or they look like clowns with 
bright fiery red hair and that's why we 
have clowns today and he's got a whole 
thing that explains it it's why if you 
do a lot of gens or stuff you see the 
spirits of these things that are still 
out there and floating in the ether is 
interesting I mean it's not the 
strangest Thing by far I listen to uh 
not at all but again you think about it 
like a like we're talking Giants right 
so a 12 foot entity with double rows of 
teeth six 
fingers and eats 
people that's a 
problem problem and now it can ride 
lightning there is a there's a God 
YouTube channel for if anyone listen if 
anyone watches this YouTube channel um 
and they they can go and like annoy the 
uh comment section to try and get him to 
come on uh there's a British guy with a 
with a channel called it's it's either 
uncovering conspiracy or understanding 
conspiracy and he's come up with and 
this is this is only slightly off topic 
but it's because of what you were saying 
about the the like giants with rows of 
teeth and 
stuff um he's done a lot of psychedelics 
as he he 
um he he explains he has uh he's 
actually come to the conclusion that uh 
we shouldn't be doing psychedelics and 
we we the 
um the spectrum of light that we see in 
without altering it is um is for our own 
benefit you know the the uh I can agree 
to that it's not for 
everybody um but he's also come up with 
a really compelling theory that the 
Nephilim are uh 
or have sorry I should say clowns and 
what we see what what what we have as 
clowns are uh depictions of ancient 
Nephilim oh that's what I was talking 
about yeah yeah yeah yeah same dude yeah 
oh yeah yeah uh and I I've never heard 
anybody come do this and and maybe he's 
just really good at explaining his 
concept but his concept makes a lot of 
sense when you listen to it I'd love to 
have him on 
yeah um I I was listening to another 
show with him I think he did was he on 
Greg cwoods um high side chats I think 
something like that maybe 
um but I am definitely gonna I've I've 
tried hitting him up on his on one of 
his videos um I have joined his telegram 
so I'm going to try and hit him up there 
in touch with them through telegram but 
um yeah man 
it's I I I I still believe there is like 
a a much more 
metaphysical aspect to this than like 
just better made 
spaceships predators that exist beyond 
the wavelength of light that we can 
see yeah no as far as psychedelics I 
definitely agree with that I do not 
think that they're for everyone I think 
that you shouldn't take them 
alone um not heavily and what you see is 
actually 
real yeah but in my experience anyway 
there are some people they're better to 
travel with than others and that's 
Shaman genene man you find the right 
group of people or the right person to 
travel with you keep traveling with that 
person and they'll keep you safe for 
whatever reason however that works they 
will keep you safe they probably don't 
even know how it works but you'll be 
fine as opposed to people I know that 
have gone off to themselves and like 
well I'm going to continue and [ __ ] 
don't go right for them you 
know 
but yeah the um the crazy thing is about 
this the depictions did like the they 
had red hair yeah the like white white 
colored 
skin like 
large fangy teeth yeah they're scary as 
hell yeah it's see that's the thing the 
the I think the um see that was the 
crazy thing when I was listening to show 
the other day I didn't realize that the 
um it's documented that circus shows 
were based on 
freemasonic um 
ceremonies you from from from the from 
the first from the first circus acts and 
when you think about you know with the 
ring ring master and like the stuff 
that's involved a worshipful master 
makes [ __ ] sense um yeah it I I can't 
let let me go back here and I will try 
and I'll find out what I listen to 
because it's if if anybody's interested 
in this it's 
probably um somebody likes our Rudolph 
likes our color coordination 
thly red and blue yes yeah yeah look at 
us it's all it's like it was all planned 
of 
course 
100% right we don't plan the shows just 
the lighting um it's a guess the 
villain uh was it use context 
clues now it's a it's a interesting all 
of it's I mean the further you go down 
the the more you keep coming back to woo 
in Old tales and stories and that there 
is validity to these things that we have 
dismissed long ago we clutched onto 
science as our new religion and cast off 
all of these 
warnings and maybe we shouldn't have you 
know I mean that's the I think the the 
would the worst thing we can do is do 
and 
just work worship and what 100% 
believe any people cuz all people are 
fallible all people are you know are 
going to be Jaded by their own interests 
and that's the yeah the the like the 
it's it's a cliche Now isn't it to say 
like absolute power corrupts 
absolutely but it's a fact I think I 
think it's 
just it's a magnifying glass of who you 
are without limitations 
right more money you get the more power 
you get doesn't change you it just 
allows you to be you with no 
consequence you 
know it's interesting speaking of that I 
I've read the uh the woman and me 
Britney's Britney Spears book have 
you how how did that go sad oh my god 
dude it's so sad it's so sad man like I 
grew up poor in a really poor 
town I well I grew up poor in a town 
that was mostly poor like our town was 
split either you own thousands of acres 
and you had tons of tobacco and you had 
unbelievable wealth or you were 
like how many cans of you know of corn 
do we have in the cabinet what can we do 
with that you know I like I you say that 
I can I can I if I come home and I want 
to eat something which won't make me 
fatter I can I can just reach for a can 
of corn and eat that I like 
it good for you it wasn't my 
experience variety for me is the spice 
of life you know same with kidney beans 
actually I can eat a t of kidney beans 
on their own it's it's hilarious like 
my my upbringing and things I went 
through my wife loves to call it my 
childhood trauma and how it's affected 
me in life life and uh she might not be 
wrong about certain aspects I made a 
stew for like today that you know it'll 
cook for like 48 hours or whatever and 
uh I fill it up to the top when I do it 
with everything and she's like she's 
like there's there will be enough you 
know that right because I start getting 
Twitchy about certain things like that 
and um anyone who's gone hungry has 
but where's it going yeah yeah yeah so 
like girls like her that I knew like 
Trailer part girl she's a trailer part 
girl that's it now that I have that in 
full context I understand her I 
understand girls that were abused and 
lived an incredibly poor life for most 
of their life and how that keeps them 
how they are and what 
it it's it's very interesting she makes 
a couple good points in her book that no 
one really knows her because she's 
always had to be someone and like while 
she was under like care of for those 13 
years holy [ __ ] 
man like for two years she ate like 
boiled chicken and canned corn and that 
was all she was allowed to eat can we be 
honest here and say that like free 
Britney isn't what we'd call the most 
grounded Britney actually I think it is 
you need to read the book yes I think 
she's fine I think that's who she is she 
is a Barefoot she's the kind of girl who 
goes Barefoot into a public toilet she's 
the kind of girl that drinks [ __ ] 
Virginia Slims with a Bud Light with no 
bra on the edge of a boat while their 
kids are you know half drunk at 15 
swimming in the lake I know this people 
I know these people man I know them 
there's nothing wrong they're just 
normal [ __ ] you 
know middle class lower middle class 
upper lower however you want to do that 
people that just they just are I mean I 
know them yeah I I tend to drift more 
onto the side of that they absolutely 
iced Britney and have replaced the 
replaced her with a look like or clone I 
don't think they can I think they do 
that to some people I think that's her I 
think they realized they they're 
mistaken wax and Michael Jackson because 
they just got this like one and done yep 
on him whereas if they just keep the 
Britney Spears look look alike being 
whacked out on whatever is making a 
dance [ __ ] naked with 
knives um 
then they Trailer part girl bro I've 
seen that in real life yeah but how long 
there it's okay right the you're you're 
giving it the wrong context dude is she 
worth millions and millions of dollars 
and does she have all this Fame yes but 
who she is is a poor little girl who 
used to run through the woods barefoot 
in Kentwood Louisiana that's but she was 
famous as this is why I don't I don't 
think this is the I think it's all fake 
I think that's exactly who she is I 
think everything else is fake how do you 
stay that though like she she was picked 
up as a child she was in Disney she was 
in Disney as a child like like so she's 
the smallest part of her life was living 
in this poor 
Place well see that's that's an 
interesting thing because she talks 
about that and that they didn't have 
money all her money went to her family 
and her dad was no no no she she has 
traveled the world and like later over 
no no later Life as a as a late teenager 
not as a young girl growing up like she 
talks about Mickey Mouse Club and like 
dancing and stuff and like doing theater 
and like when they wanted her sing what 
money she made her dad drank or lost in 
shitty businesses or gambled away but 
can we let but what doesn't make sense 
here is like we know the [ __ ] that went 
went on in the Disney Club we know 
what's going on there so that's 
definitely happened to her and she's not 
talking about that actually don't think 
it did oh I no no no no chance Ryan go 
dude he got [ __ ] chance did she not 
end up in some sort of ceremony on a 
checkered floor looking like eyes wide 
[ __ ] shot a couple of times you 
realize I've been in a ceremony on a 
checkered floor yes and I think you [ __ ] 
teenage 
[Laughter] 
Britain that would been 
awesome my teenage heart would have 
[ __ ] I wouldn't have 
survived H I would not have I would not 
have I would not have survived that 
encounter but uh no man like 
I think that's who she is I think she 
is she's just a 
normal no G say [ __ ] up she's just 
normal white trash girl dude she's white 
trash girl no I can't I can't I don't 
believe any of this is normal I don't 
believe any of them are normal I think 
they are either they they she's [ __ ] 
up all you know but I don't I don't 
think it's just a case of like um like 
standard abusey that I think these are 
[ __ ] MK 
MK out the [ __ ] was Zoo there's some 
things hinted to in the book that she 
says she doesn't talk about because it's 
too much so it's just too much I'm not 
going to talk about it she talks a 
little bit about her time in the Mental 
Hospitals and how they were forcing her 
on all these different drugs and uh 
forcing and the thing that was kind of 
[ __ ] how many times did they give her 
a puppy and then make her strangle it or 
strangle it in front of her uh and the 
thing is like they used their kids like 
it was obvious psychological 
manipulation they I mean it's 
unbelievably apparent the book they 
would leverage her kids against her 
leverage like because they controlled 
every aspect of her life they denied her 
legal rights and information that she 
should have been provided with um they 
just denied her phone access they would 
deny her food they would deny her sleep 
they would deny her any choices about 
herself her work when and where she went 
when she got up what she were like she 
had no control over her life and if she 
tried to Fig up they'd [ __ ] strap her 
to a bed and send her to the 
hospital like you're just like [ __ ] 
Hospital Illuminati programming room 
there may be truth to that that cuz she 
actually talks about an unnamed 
celebrity uh psychiatrist that came out 
and like was key and [ __ ] ruin in her 
World um and how all her friends kind of 
avoid her and if you think about it like 
was the James uh he's from [ __ ] 
England fat guy thinks he's a lot 
funnier than he is likes to see oh 
[ __ ] oh my God James cor Cordon cor 
Cordon yeah that guy that guy so he's 
he's kind of famous for this or at least 
in my mind like the reason he holds any 
celebrity status in my mind is so he 
would did carpool karaoke and he had 
Britney Spears and you could tell it was 
very awkward between him but she talks 
about like during that whole time 
everything she did she was [ __ ] 
forced to do there was no choice no 
choice you were doing this 100% or 
there's going to be 
punishment and uh there's no way he and 
whatever TV channel he worked for did 
not know what the [ __ ] [ __ ] was going on 
because the one thing that's apparent is 
everybody knew what they were doing to 
her and nobody did 
[ __ ] the uh I mean cordon's another one 
like he but then afterwards he talked 
about like she he so his and other 
people's souls to get where he is oh 
yeah well there's there's a part in her 
book it's a different I don't know man I 
don't know if it's even we could do a 
show on it but it would be have to be a 
rock fin show and I would feel really 
weird about doing it but 
maybe we should because there is 
something that links like Britney and 
Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga and a 
lot of these other celebrities like 
later on in life they start talking 
about [ __ ] that they did that re Britney 
recently talked about that we're not 
talking about on YouTube um that 
happened or they did or they went along 
with and all of a sudden everybody's 
careers [ __ ] go crazy right it goes 
amazing well you know I doubled down and 
I had to work Britney not so much it 
broke her [ __ ] 
mind I think that a huge part of what 
snapped her but her 
think say the certain celebrities you 
say 
that 
um I I think or Orlando Bloom he he 
walks so close to the precipice of 
explaining what's happened to him you 
know did 
the uh what's his name 
the guy from 
Transformers yeah you know I like him I 
think he's great great actor yeah the 
but I me mind his career has took a nose 
dive I dude his dad was a pedophile you 
know that he was a registered sex 
offender yep who was a biker gang who 
was in a biker gang um the like the I'll 
put Britney Spears in that category as 
well some of some celebrities of Kanye 
West that seemed to get to a point where 
they they can't function very well in 
what's going what's going 
on um his mom died died during surgery 
and I think there's there's obviously a 
window where people like a Rick ofas and 
a Mal Gibson 
can uh can inhabit 
where they because they because the 
their 
ability uh and talent can make the 
machine so much money they are allowed 
to exist outside of it as as they just 
shut the [ __ ] up um whereas I don't 
think actors have that talent because 
there's so many actors that's the thing 
there's so there's so many actors and 
they are it's we celebrate them but 
they're they're kind of the weakest 
historically it's not a position you 
celebrate no they're the not it was 
always a look down on profession yeah 
they're the weakest part of the chain 
essentially because like Tom Hanks you 
could have cast anybody in big and that 
would have been a great film yeah you 
know what I mean and I'd argue I'm not a 
big Tom Hanks fan so i' I'd argue 
probably would have been better but um I 
I don't like him the 
um the thing 
with with with the with with some of 
these people though that don't have that 
don't seem to be able to the the music 
industry doesn't seem to have the people 
that can exist on the outside you are 
either in or you're 
out it doesn't seem to be the same thing 
so what is it Tom McDonald talks about 
that like record contracts they talk 
about you know universal imper petu 
forever and always like Intergalactic 
like what kind of [ __ ] contract are 
you signing here man this is music right 
it is weird it is weird the whole 
thing's [ __ ] weird the world is weird 
the more you look at the world really 
look at the world the more bizarre it is 
yep you know the more bizarre it is 
is it I don't know just trying to get 
through it's it it why are we giving the 
checkered floor a bad come on guys come 
on it's not that bad what are you saying 
this just talking Rudolph 
is I've also been on a checkered floor 
never seen naked yeah I didn't see any 
naked chicks either I miss I'll just 
keep towards the east your 
eyes uh they said the scales he fall 
from his eyes then the uh a traveling 
man Trel Philip BL brought Tom Cruz 
there like Tom Cruz is worth an entire 
Rock fin show his 
own he 
is I don't know man he's a mystery I 
part of me wants to feel bad for him and 
then part of me thinks 
like the [ __ ] have you done you know 
like it goes to the ID wi shut what what 
did they cut out of that movie yeah I 
think the Eyes Wide Shut was an 
unbelievably interesting insight into 
like if you research who Nicole Kidman 
is and who her family is and then you 
look at Tom Cruz and and who he is I 
don't think Tom Cruz is a bad guy I 
don't uh I think that he's caught up in 
a cult and he [ __ ] loves it and it 
definitely insulates him I think he's a 
closeted 
homosexual um definitely much like um 
Kevin 
spy no he's not closeted he not anymore 
not anymore he he used that as an escape 
card like the no he keeps them in the 
closet my bad my bad 
allegedly is it if they can just quit 
getting hit by cars somebody could 
testify it's a real problem over there I 
at the the time when that was happening 
like the 
I remember the he did three happened 
three years in a row did it where he put 
the videos out and then someone died the 
day after yeah something like that yeah 
and interesting number in itself I 
remember doing the uh doing M AIO with 
my friend 
Stuart and we I think we did it the day 
before Christmas Eve was when we we 
record our Christmas episode and we were 
joking about it on on the day for 
Christmas Eve oh well Kevin Spacey's 
going to put video out tomorrow and kill 
somebody again allegedly and 
H do it he had it done Christmas day 
comes around spy's dropped the video 
we're like he's done it a [ __ ] 
again and then lo and behold as like the 
stars would align and somebody that was 
obviously wrongly accusing him of sexual 
assault died 
wrongly accusing him obviously 
obviously if you said so on TV it's got 
to be a fact no so I think I think the 
eyes wide Shep 
movie is interesting because like the 
scene where what is it the the guy who's 
working at the hotel and Tom Cruz 
apparently U that scene was shot like 
all day for days for 
days and what they were trying to 
recreate it found afterwards Stanley KCK 
there was some 
famous gay porn movie that opens that 
way and like that's what they were 
recreating and there was apparently a 
lot of scenes like that like if you 
guess if 
you're into into that that genre of 
entertainment I guess you would 
recognize things from the film that he's 
doing so it's like wait you I think I 
think the film you're trying to 
reference is stiffed upper lip 
six I guess 
I'm GNA of your 
expertise but uh like they were they 
were trying to charge it with like 
sexual energy and whatnot and like again 
if you watch eyes wide shut all the way 
to the end and the conversation that Tom 
Cruz and Nicole kimman are having don't 
make it does not make sense for the 
movie to end up there and the fact that 
their little girl walks off with the two 
men that Tom Cruz walked into 
that party behind because you remember 
there was the butler who escorted him in 
and there were two old men in front of 
them that were walking down the hallway 
if you go and look again there's that 
same tall guy that looks a lot like the 
Butler and you see the back of these two 
old men's Head who looks like the two 
old dudes from the thing and the little 
girls in front of them and they walk 
away from the FAA Schwarz or whatever I 
think that was supposed to be like an 
FAA Schwarz toy store that she just 
walks off and then they're like it's 
what I feel like we're missing things 
from this movie yeah that didn't make 
sense I wonder if it's out there I 
wonder like the allegedly not 
the 
I I hope so I hope I hope it's they see 
that's the crazy thing about that and it 
just shows that there is something in 
there that somebody doesn't want people 
a to see because the idea that you could 
have 25 
minutes of a deleted C of deleted scenes 
from a cubric 
film that haven't been put out on a like 
a remaster did collector's edition is 
[ __ ] stupid dude the the fact that 
the way they did it after he died you 
know what I mean like how they because 
he had total control and they were 
obviously fighting him on this and 
they're like we gotta [ __ ] kill this 
guy and cut these minutes out it's all 
that's where we're at now he's refusing 
to play ball anymore all right 
done 
um yeah man hey we got 63 people 
watching be great if everyone liked this 
video and shared it they think I don't 
know how many likes we got at the minute 
I I know we're we're coming to the end 
so people should I don't think it's 
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um oh gross I just did an a I just did 
an inst reinstall of my uh of my my 
operating system and so I rown the web 
browser that means nothing's on dark 
mode anyone that doesn't like when dark 
mode is available if you don't select 
that you're a [ __ ] 
psychopath I never go dark mode 
facts 
um on the video we have 39 likes so it's 
pretty good we've got over half but we 
could literally have 61 likes on it 
right now so yeah easily just hit the 
like come if you're on Apple TV I 
forgive you because it's tricky who's 
watching us on Apple tv nobody is 
watching us on Apple TV I all I what 
YouTube on is matal in the living 
room you gotta make everything 
complicated it's why you have computer 
issues I had computer issues 
today which is 
weird because I don't have computer 
issues on this 
rig uh we'll see no well I mean probably 
need to stop talking about the 
Department of 
energy I was I was completely taken out 
from uh for a whole like what two shows 
cuz because my computer [ __ ] the bed 
that was so strange as well like the um 
for like obviously like i' I've moved 
over to Linux for um my desktop PCS 
because you like to be different I I 
like to be I like to be secure Dave like 
to be secure you're not there's no such 
thing you have a cell phone okay there's 
cell phone right in front of me anyway 
what kind of what kind of cell phone is 
it 
it's Apple did you know that Apple phone 
can map your entire home it Maps it maps 
in real time the area you walk around to 
like 50 feet yeah it's crazy this this 
is the funny thing I get like people are 
uh people people were using that as a 
this is where we can't have 5G is 
because they'll be able to Ping all the 
devices and map and map 
everywhere why could didn't you do that 
with fgy you [ __ ] think about it they 
do it with Wi-Fi yeah it's just I 
boggles my tiny mind like the only I I 
remember I remember 3G was going to kill 
us still may still May yeah man no this 
has been fun it's been a good talk uh we 
bounced around a lot uh Steph was great 
I'd love to get B back on we had that 
little bit of a Time issue we'll fig 
yeah hopefully I I'll speak to the guy 
hopefully we can we can do like a proper 
like get him on for a proper show with 
Ollie as well so OE can say hello um 
olle uh 
is I mean you never truly recover from 
AIDS but he's doing all right he's doing 
all 
right well you know it's key is him 
getting those carrots they just as long 
as they get in his 
body it's all that matters but yeah I 
mean he's got he he had has most of the 
um like incapacitating objects removed 
from his rectum now um 
the I'm I'm just gladly stopped at the 
bat I haven't heard this according to 
cu's cameraman who filmed all his movies 
including IW shot he said IW sh movie 
that played contained none of the scenes 
he 
filmed the company refilmed it after 
Kubrick's death w 
wow that's crazy M if you if you can 
find 
a a link or something to whenever that's 
done and either if if if it takes you 
time just post it in the comments on 
this video and I will find it don't 
don't maybe don't do it in the chat now 
because I'll have to go P go through all 
the chat but put it in the 
comments after the video yeah no you can 
you can put it in the comments now he 
can put it in the comments now it won't 
turn up turn up in the live chat but the 
um yeah I'd be very interested in that 
because like I said the the idea that 
you could I mean that that is so much 
money like there's so many cubric fans 
out there like I've got I've got a half 
I've got a half finished [ __ ] cubric 
[ __ ] sleeve you know who knows the 
truth 
right what this daughter two no the two 
actors I don't think his daughter knows 
the two 
actors Tom Cruz and Nicole 
Kidman they have well yeah they 
have um they do have to know they 
because it's told through their 
lens especially Tom Cruz Tom Cruz knows 
what was left 
out curious maybe that's a drum crazy oh 
Professor Simon covered it in a video a 
while back I will go and look for for it 
thank you very 
much 
um yeah 
it's like like I said I I just can't get 
past the money thing uh 
the you're talking Millions like 
millions of 
pounds it's 
you it's like taking 
the 
frame of a um 
like like one of the one of the great 
painters like a [ __ ] Leonardo or 
something like that it's like taking the 
frame off one of his paintings to find 
there's a whole extra bit of the 
painting behind the frame or the or or 
the painting folds out and it's like 
much larger like half half the size 
again and then go no one really wants to 
see this who would who would pay to see 
it extra bits of this and then just 
covering it all back up and sticking it 
on the wall but then telling people oh 
there's extra painting behind that but 
you don't want to see it don't want to 
see 
it uh yeah I 
um uh oh look up Christopher Lee talking 
about missing scenes from one of his 
movies about the occult I saw that I'll 
definitely do that for yeah um 
Christopher Le was a good guy I like 
Christopher Lee he got me into 
vampires T is like some of the first 
horror films I love a horror film Buffy 
Buffy got me into vampires the uh Buffy 
got into vampires Buffy The V 
sler the movie the movie was [ __ ] 
yeah the movie but I mean let like 
considering uh considering she was 
supposed to be a Vampire Slayer she 
[ __ ] at least two several several yeah 
yeah she was slaying all 
right she was WAP before WAP was a thing 
I 
guess uh oh m mongle is gonna say 
something just before we close out like 
Dave uh will like the Prof Professor s's 
video series on the qu Mass films it 
involves secret old religions followed 
by the elites I don't need anyone to 
tell me what I do when I go to church 
it's profess Simon the guy that stew 
interviewed I I didn't know even covered 
stuff like 
this well I'll go back and have a 
look so yeah interesting oh well guys H 
thanks for hanging out with us on this 
Sunday evening I hope you enjoyed it 
thank you for Simon for coming on the 
show earlier the link to his podcast is 
in the description you should definitely 
go and watch it the last interview he 
did was with the British intelligence 
guy's name escap Apes 
me Nick Pope he had he had on on his 
last 
episode what yeah the M Herrera one was 
very interesting and the one he did 
about Peru was also very interesting and 
that's how I found his podcast uh I just 
scratched my ear rather grossly then for 
a live stream sorry about that you need 
to sniff it sniff it 
now oh yeah but she didn't sniff it 
that's that's where the real sensation 
um yeah other than that like it was a 
good show thanks everybody thanks Dave 
it's it's my invisible boob squeeze I'm 
so bad at this B we're gonna do uh put 
together a video investigation of 
whatever we find you know if I find the 
jetpack if I find miners with jetpacks 
we will film it and uh we will tell you 
we got miners with jetpacks and we'll 
we'll we'll we'll report that so 
whatever we find we're going to report 
if we find nothing if we find nothing 
are maybe maybe the villagers are 
completely exaggerating this whole 
scenario who knows I mean the only way 
really know is to go up that River 
that's it that's the only way we're ever 
going to find out so that's what we 
intend to 
do 
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I'm genuinely pulling for the miners 
with backpacks because that would be the 
most [ __ ] absurd thing to possibly 
come come out of that it's genuinely a 
third world minor with a half million 
dollar jetpack trying to scare people 
with a [ __ ] led belt on do you know 
what it makes me think of if all of a 
sudden we've got Miners and jetpacks is 
that Joe Biden's gonna have to up his 
game dude if we have Miners and Jetpack 
we're living in not Alex Jones World 
we're living in a [ __ ] James Bond 
[Laughter] 
film I was not prepared for this a cult 
I can handle Miners and jet ha the [ __ ] 
is this stop who God needs to stop 
clicking the remote pick a 
theme well I I said a joke the other day 
I said like the ever since the the UFO 
the UFO started coming to light it's 
like Jesus uh Jesus had to go and take a 
pest break and the only person to take 
over was Michael 
Bay that would be terrible his film one 
the films are terrible too everything's 
getting blown up for no 
reason 
incredibly High casualties yeah that'd 
be the worst outcome ever 
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