# Meeting 2025-04-02 <!-- Leave your topic starting with ### in the relevant sections below --> ## Critical <!-- bugs, soundness issues, urgent patches/reviews etc. --> ## Status Reports <!-- You want to report on something you are working on/request reviews. Or you want to know the status of something someone else is doing --> ## Discussion Questions <!-- Anything that requires lengthy discussion/more general questions also fit here --> ## Miscellaneous <!-- stuff that does not fit into other categories --> ### Tooling in distributions Andreas: In the Rust plenary session at LSF, some people complained about tooling in distributions. I promised to check what we think should be working. - Ted Ts'o complained about Debian stable - Jason Gunthorpe complained about Ubuntu LTS Miguel (offline): I replied to Jason in LWN (the existing instructions are correct, but he wanted them expanded to be clearer), and Igor sent a patch (already in v2) related to the Ubuntu instructions, so that should be fixed soon. Regarding Debian, what did Ted exactly say? Debian Testing is expected to work, like the instructions say, as well as Trixie (the next Debian Stable), since they will have Rust 1.85, which we hope to make our next minimum version (precisely because Debian Stable will have it. If someone needs support in existing distributions like the existing Debian Testing, then either their upstream distribution is convinced to provide suitable (e.g. versioned) packages, or they can use an alternative method (like the official binaries or building the toolchain). Personally, I would love if something like the current Debian Stable provides the packages, or Ubuntu LTSs (Ubuntu at some point said they would provide versioned Rust versions in their LTSs, at least as far as I understood it, and they did provide a few up to 1.80, but then it seems it stopped). In summary, as far as I can tell, those two items are already handled (when something like Igor's patch lands). ### ABI compatibility for Rust Andreas: Enterprise Linux distributions (RHEL, SUSE Enterprise Linux) want ABI stability. How does that work with Rust when ABI is compiler defined? Boqun: Link everything into out-of-tree modules. Andreas: Have distro ship blessed compiler.