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# Rafael / Scott - 1:1 17-04-2023

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  00:00 Scott Jackson: Hello. Invisible.
00:04 Raf Steil: That's what about that. I forgot that we were on time.
00:07 Scott Jackson: Well me too, it's okay.
00:14 Raf Steil: How are you?
00:17 Scott Jackson: okay, trying to
00:18 Raf Steil: Okay, okay. It's good.
00:21 Scott Jackson: 50 Plus emails that we're waiting on me this morning.
00:24 Raf Steil: Oh f***. I I'm good and good still. Weird with this floor, whatever it is
00:36 Raf Steil: Hi everyone, this is an automated message to let you know my Tactiq extension (https://tactiq.io/r/transcribing) is transcribing this meeting for me so I can give my full attention to you.
00:37 Raf Steil: that I got.
00:38 Scott Jackson: Hmm.
00:40 Raf Steil: I had this cough like two weeks now and
00:42 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
00:45 Raf Steil: The weekend was quite like running those and stuff that that felt like a real flu.
00:52 Scott Jackson: Okay.
00:52 Raf Steil: and now, I'm just back to cough with the something that the chest, but at least that I energies,
00:57 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
01:00 Raf Steil: Is more. Is is back to normal, to whatever my
01:05 Scott Jackson: Okay.
01:06 Raf Steil: normal is. So yeah.
01:08 Scott Jackson: Okay, if you feel like you need to
01:09 Raf Steil: Yeah.
01:10 Scott Jackson: take some time to rest, just let me know. It's okay.
01:13 Raf Steil: But now, it's all right.
01:16 Scott Jackson: Okay.
01:21 Raf Steil: Cool. So yeah, I I sent to the chart that
01:25 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
01:25 Raf Steil: That took a that was a new task. I think I created a ticket for it so we don't keep don't lose track if not, I'll create a ticket.
01:33 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
01:36 Raf Steil: um, yeah, like I said, we were discussed other day, we evaluated All of that and we'll see if it.  If it makes sense.
01:51 Scott Jackson: Okay.
01:52 Raf Steil: Okay, cool. We can stress that later, too.
01:55 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Okay. Was there anything that you wanted to talk about today in particular?
02:05 Raf Steil: No, no not in particular.
02:08 Scott Jackson: Okay.
02:10 Raf Steil: As usual, I think. that we can go over your points, I I did a quick look at you, but you have
02:22 Scott Jackson: Okay.
02:24 Raf Steil: Now, yeah, let's go over it and then we can iterate.
02:28 Scott Jackson: Okay, so first one, that I wrote down was about bug bashes. I've been telling this to everybody just because we've had lighter participation than usual. over the past several weeks, just reminding everybody that Part of the job expectation. Is that you participate in bug bashes asynchronously or synchronously? That doesn't mean you have to come every time. but more more than You know, zero times is what I need
02:55 Raf Steil: More often than not, people are not
02:55 Scott Jackson: to see. Yes.
02:57 Raf Steil: participating.
02:58 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Yeah, there are a few people who are
03:00 Raf Steil: Yeah.
03:00 Scott Jackson: very consistent but most people are not
03:03 Raf Steil: Yeah, I agree and I am never there.  And I okay cool. Yeah I've been thinking if I know if there is a
03:12 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
03:18 Raf Steil: Good way to make people, actually do it. but, I, Yeah, I I see.
03:27 Scott Jackson: but,
03:27 Raf Steil: Yeah.
03:28 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Yeah.
03:29 Raf Steil: I say it's we should all be doing, it's not that it's I think out of pure. Laziness to see us. Yeah I'll do next time or the next time and then you end up never doing right.
03:44 Scott Jackson: Right. Right.
03:47 Raf Steil: We always have to stay in the C2. Pushing things. And then we forget, But it's not that. At least I don't think anybody believes that's not important, right? So,
04:03 Scott Jackson: Okay.
04:04 Raf Steil: Yeah, Coco.
04:04 Scott Jackson: I mean if you have any ideas about
04:04 Raf Steil: Yeah.
04:06 Scott Jackson: how to
04:06 Raf Steil: Yeah, I've been thinking something,
04:07 Scott Jackson: You know.
04:08 Raf Steil: but nothing to
04:12 Scott Jackson: Okay, what if?
04:12 Raf Steil: Yeah. Oh sure. Here.
04:14 Scott Jackson: Okay, what if we had a rotating responsibility for running them so it's not just Logan but everybody takes a turn.
04:21 Raf Steil: Like the captains, right?
04:22 Scott Jackson: Let's say it was exactly but let's see if it was. The release Captain was responsible for running it. So that everybody is taking a turn. Getting in, on the On the fun.
04:37 Raf Steil: That's interesting. That's actually interesting. I Another thing that crossed my mind was Like heavy chart of attendance. But at the same time I think that Maybe there is a risk of some people seeing that as publicly shaming.
05:03 Scott Jackson: Yeah, and I don't want to do that.
05:05 Raf Steil: Yeah.
05:05 Scott Jackson: For sure, like if I made that it would be for me and I wouldn't show it to anybody.
05:12 Raf Steil: it's I think it always was tricky but special nowadays, it's really tricky those kind of things, right? Because
05:20 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
05:21 Raf Steil: You and I might think that's okay, but I don't know. johnny, I think that's actually Public shaming are it's it's toxic.
05:29 Scott Jackson: Right.
05:31 Raf Steil: 
05:32 Scott Jackson: Right.
05:34 Raf Steil: so, Rotation, it's interesting.
05:41 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
05:41 Raf Steil: Okay, let me let's look like this. Let me write a task. work with the Escortation for a bashes and I I wrote work with Logan, because Logan is doing that.
06:06 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
06:09 Raf Steil: Okay, I'll create a test for me. To come up with a proposal for this
06:11 Scott Jackson: Okay.
06:13 Raf Steil: and then we can discuss maybe even if this afternoon if we have the Time.
06:19 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
06:22 Raf Steil: Okay, cool. Cool.
06:27 Scott Jackson: So, we've wanted to check in on nintended outcomes. I have your document open over on the side so that's why I'm looking
06:36 Raf Steil: Yeah, it's
06:36 Scott Jackson: looking away.
06:39 Raf Steil: Here. Look at nothing, right? There is nothing there.
06:40 Scott Jackson: yeah, well there's there were some
06:41 Raf Steil: so,
06:41 Scott Jackson: notes But nothing concrete just yet.
06:48 Raf Steil: so, for The recap that I have. Is. Let me write here. So one. Writing. And it all comes. As always been a pain and then one of them was the observability project. The. Other was the alcohol that memory management state restore. So, I'm not. Not trying to give excuses, right? Just to share, what's on my mind. So you have a better context. So the obserability project that drained a lot of the A lot of the motivation.
07:56 Scott Jackson: Sure.
07:56 Raf Steil: That a lot of frustration.
07:59 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
08:02 Raf Steil: Consider the focus was always there and then you put together like not
08:05 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
08:07 Raf Steil: trying not being able to find some type of move on with the tasks.
08:11 Scott Jackson: Right.
08:12 Raf Steil: But in other years, oh I I was bad too to finding into another comes as well so I'm not putting the other the the reasons there but that that's one thing. So for the state management, I think that's a matter of just organizing myself and actually starting it. There is no particular reason why I didn't so other than I know, other than nothing for the Silver. Observability project.
08:44 Raf Steil: We? I know it feels like an open. an open one, won't What should we do? Like, do about it.
08:57 Scott Jackson: Right.
09:00 Raf Steil: Leave Aziz like Azizing, leave the Outcome only, it's original purpose, and Follow up with the plan of that discussions that we had with the with pair doing. Participating and adjusting the project proposal to his ideas or do
09:26 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
09:27 Raf Steil: something else. Why do you think?
09:30 Scott Jackson: I'm okay with adjusting it. Because I think you correctly observed that you know this has been going on for a while and we have done a lot of work and things have changed. so, it makes sense to Make it reflect what the current reality is. One of the things we can do. is there's this whole product pit. Stop concept. Have you heard about this?
09:56 Raf Steil: Pit stop concept.
09:58 Scott Jackson: Product pit.
09:58 Raf Steil: No, no
09:59 Scott Jackson: Stop. Okay. Cheese. I'm looking at a spreadsheet right now to the schedule. Some basically, the idea is it's a time for to sit down with like Arpan and Patrick Mullen and Patrick Joyce and say like, Hey you're the retail leadership. I want to talk to you about something for 10 to 20 minutes and you sign up for a time and one of the things that they pitched was like you could talk about project proposals.
10:23 Scott Jackson: So one way to do it is we could go to them because they're the ones that have to approve it and say like we we are trying to capture this effort. What do we need to do to get it to pass muster? And I'm looking at the schedule right now. And I have to figure out. How soon we could even do that because it looks like they're out a couple weeks but we that is an option and I can do that on your behalf if you're not prepared to talk to them directly.
10:54 Scott Jackson: just because I feel you in the sense of like, This is been. You know, a demotivational exercise for all of us, really?
11:03 Raf Steil: i, I think that There's two and in the correctly. That talking to them. On the current state. I I have my doubts that it will yield any. Any thing. good, in the sense that The existing proposal is just like, is that what we talked? We don't
11:49 Scott Jackson: Okay.
11:50 Raf Steil: Did most of the things. So, if you go To them talking about existing one. I believe we went up the same questions that we had with Nile.
12:02 Scott Jackson: Great.
12:04 Raf Steil: On the other hand, if we When Paris is back and he's good and health again.
12:11 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
12:12 Raf Steil: We we work with him. We write the proposal, all of that. Then we talked to or if it make the proposal or create a proposal and then go to talk to them and say and then we give the the context that the new ideas
12:30 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
12:31 Raf Steil: and work together. That's yeah, I think that's that there will be more more productive
12:37 Scott Jackson: Okay, it's fine. Have you heard from him? I know he was out, you know, last week because of his surgery, but I don't know when he's supposed to come back.
12:51 Raf Steil: No, I haven't.
12:52 Scott Jackson: Okay.
12:54 Raf Steil: but, I'll ping hoping Him just in case.
12:58 Scott Jackson: Yeah, no problem. That makes that makes sense. How to that approach?
13:10 Raf Steil: Is. Everything. It's surgery, right?
13:20 Scott Jackson: I think so. I think he had his It sounds like he has appendix taken out. That's as far as that's the only thing you can do for appendicitis. As far as I know, that's what bogged and said is the other pin went to the hospital appendicitis.
13:38 Raf Steil: Of people see. Yeah, the What else we have on their mind?
13:57 Scott Jackson: Did you have any other intended outcomes you wanted to talk about today? We talked about observability. And you said about memory. Right.
14:08 Raf Steil: I, I Do but we can move move on.
14:13 Scott Jackson: Okay.
14:13 Raf Steil: To the next.
14:15 Scott Jackson: Okay. Those are the major things that I had. I'm happy to talk about your chart. Somewhere. Where did I do with it? I just had it open.
14:29 Raf Steil: Should be on slack. Yeah.
14:31 Scott Jackson: Okay, yeah, like to slack.   And find it again. Okay. So this is the same data you just plotting it differently. Is that right? We're putting it better. I should say.
14:49 Raf Steil: It's the same data, I
14:53 Scott Jackson: Okay.
14:53 Raf Steil: I, I removed the number of devices because I think that's irrelevant.
15:00 Scott Jackson: Okay.
15:04 Raf Steil: because before I was showing, Number of devices, and number of of  Cancels per day and then it was left to the to the viewer to make sense of that. So, I am. it's some using the idea of like normalize you have a reference value. So, we can, like it's showing the last 30 day, 90 days. So, we know that it's being stable almost at the same range within the next, last three months, and the graph doesn't tell you if that's a good value or not, that will be up to
15:49 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
15:50 Raf Steil: it at some point to determine that.
15:52 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
15:54 Raf Steil: Also. Keep in mind that King Souls are not Are just like the operation was errors. canceled.
16:01 Scott Jackson: Right.
16:02 Raf Steil: For whatever reason. Sure. I think at some point we need we need to it will be good for us to To have a. a definition, or of what that is because Why? What does it mean to have King sold skins, right?
16:25 Scott Jackson: Yeah, yeah.
16:25 Raf Steil: How much is healthy part of the
16:25 Scott Jackson: For sure.
16:27 Raf Steil: operations and what's not? But the chart is not trying to answer that.
16:31 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
16:33 Raf Steil: It's just true to our reference 
16:33 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
16:35 Raf Steil: One thing that I maybe I was surprised but maybe I shoot it it. Did you see that? There are these very big Spikes, it's not. It's far from being a I won't say flat curve, but I was very stable it from day to day. It. Varies a lot.
16:56 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
16:58 Raf Steil: I don't know. What to take from this?
17:03 Scott Jackson: This is something that I
17:03 Raf Steil: Okay.
17:05 Scott Jackson: I feel like maybe Pear can help us.
17:07 Raf Steil: Yeah, exactly.
17:08 Scott Jackson: Take figure out what to take from. If anything, you know, we may look at it and say like, You know what, this isn't as useful as we would like it to be. outside of maybe like, Some emergency situation if that makes sense. Like maybe it's not something. We pay attention to every day, but when something else happens, like this is valuable data, I don't know. I'm making things up.
17:27 Raf Steil: Yeah.
17:29 Scott Jackson: But when I'm looking at this just to make sure I understand and I see like a value of like 0.4, that means like 40% of the scans that day were canceled.
17:40 Raf Steil: so, Yes, but
17:45 Scott Jackson: Okay.
17:48 Raf Steil: we, we need to be outside careful on how to present or say that.
17:56 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
17:56 Raf Steil: So, it doesn't cause alarm.
17:58 Scott Jackson: Alarm. Yeah no. I get what you're saying. Like it Canceled scan is not necessarily a bad thing. It is just a canceled scan.
18:05 Raf Steil: Yeah.
18:06 Scott Jackson: Somebody maybe accidentally bumped the button, we don't know.
18:09 Raf Steil: Exactly. So yeah you we we had like a thousand tour of scans and then those like 400 were just
18:18 Scott Jackson: Oh right.
18:18 Raf Steil: Not completed cancel.
18:20 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Okay.
18:21 Raf Steil: And that's the point. Like, what does it mean? I don't know.
18:24 Scott Jackson: Yeah, yeah. Understood okay. Is there we talked last week because of the Auburn's thing and we were talking about like this. A metric for failed to initialize at all. And I know we talked about that something different right than what we're showing here. Like, that's not a canceled scan that's just a failure to admit in the first place. That accurate.
18:52 Raf Steil: In this chart.
18:54 Scott Jackson: No, not this chart forget about this
18:54 Raf Steil: No, not yeah.
18:54 Scott Jackson: chart. I'm moving off from this chart.
18:57 Raf Steil: Okay, yeah, yeah. So they did this chart has nothing to do to that.
18:59 Scott Jackson: Yeah exactly. I'm thinking about you know one of the things as you know that we've been chasing is the scanner. since we launched has been, you know, problematic to say the least. And then, over the last few days, it's been extra problematic because all birds is saying like this, can't we have to reboot all the time and it's not always working. And I think that one of the things that this shows us is like Oh we are not tracking that.
19:29 Scott Jackson: particular thing, because
19:31 Raf Steil: oh,
19:32 Scott Jackson: You know, maybe we didn't know to track it.
19:36 Raf Steil: So okay, I I remember the discussion and I think I was with Logan bearing on that. so,
19:47 Scott Jackson: And you can, I guess I can kind of see it here. I don't know. Go ahead, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Like, you can see this peak. Over since the 12th.
20:02 Raf Steil: Mm-hmm.
20:05 Scott Jackson: And these are restarts. Which, I know again, it's sort of like we want only one per day. But as long as it restarts and recovers, we don't care. In a sense. and I think, We said, You know, the new ROM might fix this. But we don't it's yeah, hopefully but
20:24 Raf Steil: Hopefully.
20:24 Scott Jackson: it's
20:25 Raf Steil: Yeah. Just because they mentioned that if they change a lot. Yeah.
20:28 Scott Jackson: Right? Right and I agree that. Yeah, maybe we want to get 20 14 out sooner rather than later. But why did it suddenly bump up with two? With with recent, deployments is there something in 213? Because we pushed that out recently, that made it worse and 214, makes it better. I don't know. I would like to have more. Confidence. That if we said 214 is going to fix it that we're we feel like it really will like what can we point to if anything.
21:02 Scott Jackson: And if you all cut, look at the log and say like, Well it never it never initialized to begin with, you know, that's out of our hands. Like okay, that's something we can at least go back to BP pause with and say like, Hey, We're seeing this, can y'all confirm that 214 will fix it for us or give us some assurance that it will? Or is it because one of our apps  So what I'm what I'm asking is like, is there can we one narrow it down to what's actually causing the issue? So we can Say with confidence.
21:31 Scott Jackson: Hey the ROM will fix it or we need to look elsewhere. and I guess the other question is, when I look at restarts per day, is that? Captured in this graph that I'm showing you or do. We needed separate metric to track that better.
21:49 Raf Steil: okay, I have a few comments on that.
21:52 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
22:00 Raf Steil: So, we login and I, We were bearing on the existing data because there was some  Discussions on adding new matrix to try to to identify this after reboot.
22:18 Scott Jackson: Right.
22:20 Raf Steil: Issues.
22:21 Scott Jackson: Right.
22:21 Raf Steil: And my point. My, I have this. Punch, which is through the that.
22:27 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
22:29 Raf Steil: We? Can infer that from the existing data. Like we have the reboot stable. And we we have the initialization scanner error stable. So we were checking the code to see. If the the defense where we were far away, actually, correct, right?
22:52 Scott Jackson: Okay.
22:54 Raf Steil: And it seems to be correct. We don't have a, we don't have a debt plot. It
23:03 Scott Jackson: Okay.
23:04 Raf Steil: I mean, we don't wait to have plotted is number of, Failures Right after a reboot or another one, that could be useful. Giving out that we have a better understanding of an existing situation is, how many times the
23:24 Scott Jackson: Okay.
23:26 Raf Steil: devices is rebooted. After. A fresh boot and after a scanner in civilization failure like Ken. And the question is Can we? Can we? use it, the data that we have to To plot these to try to identify this patterns because we know that today, we know that based on merchant feedback, this is something that is happening. It's not that situation that we
23:58 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
23:59 Raf Steil: foresee. So giving that we know this Is happening. Can we make a chart a real-time artist whatever? To try to identify that with retractively, right? Because it's so if so we can prove that the approach works and we can stand, Oh, we can use that in the future, right?
24:25 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
24:26 Raf Steil: That. That's just a hypothesis within analyze a data, all of that, we didn't create the charts but maybe  and by maybe see I mean, If you agreeing James others agree, we should actually get this work right in plot, this, that that's one
24:43 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
24:44 Raf Steil: thing. There is. There, there are few a few tricky. tricky things, which is When do we? How much time after reboot? We We? Take into consideration to consider that as a problem, 10 minutes, 30 minutes how often, how often.
25:13 Scott Jackson: Like, how often you reboot.
25:14 Raf Steil: So maybe, I mean, I can try, we can try to come up with a number.
25:15 Scott Jackson: Okay.
25:20 Raf Steil: Maybe that's something to involve the data team. But again depends on how busy day they are. If we only have pair, sure.
25:27 Scott Jackson: Right.
25:29 Raf Steil: We can work together.
25:29 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
25:30 Raf Steil: I think that we can work together, but I think I'm saying that Express. I don't know how quickly we can come up with that. One day when we one month, should be that a new task. I don't know. That's That's an open question. Okay.
25:51 Scott Jackson: Okay.
25:54 Raf Steil: And I think there is one. One problem with the existing metric, it's not a problem. I don't think he It will. I don't think it will mess up with the data, but suburb we need to fix. Which is we try to restart the Skinner, a literally, literally a hundred times.
26:17 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
26:17 Raf Steil: I think every second, every two seconds, we try to restart. There is a bug, they go today that if you press the button, like it's not working.
26:28 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
26:29 Raf Steil: You press about it, it doesn't scan the code attacks that, it's not working and then it initializes the, the retry job. If you press this skin button again, which is a normal thing, the users will do if you start another job for
26:45 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
26:48 Raf Steil: the same thing and another job and another job, instead of
26:52 Scott Jackson: Finishing, the first one.
26:53 Raf Steil: Uh, yeah, exactly. Finishing the first one or identify that, there is already a restart job So what happens is that the log? running on certainly one. You see like several logs regarding
26:59 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
27:05 Raf Steil: that? Which maybe just noise and we can repeat. We can just clean up the noise like
27:12 Scott Jackson: All right.
27:13 Raf Steil: but there is this. Just this problem. that's my take on it, which I think that they are is We very likely have the data.
27:28 Scott Jackson: Okay.
27:29 Raf Steil: We need now to determine what is why they good report would be to for that.
27:36 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
27:36 Raf Steil: Write a report analyzing look for future. Realistically. For all birds. What we have now that we are trying to have something if you need to answer today. I don't think we I'm pretty sure we won't be able to do that.
27:53 Scott Jackson: Yeah, I understand that you can't probably tell me like, right, right? Like this morning, are you in this afternoon?
28:02 Raf Steil: But we can. Maybe show, we should shift priorities on the on the project
28:08 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
28:10 Raf Steil: board to work more on this.
28:13 Scott Jackson: Yeah, yeah. And for the, from the perspective of the metrics, one of the things that we had talked about previously was we want to know about problems before merchants, tell us and like, this is a great example of like now that I even know about it, I'm looking at the data and I can't Figure it out from that and that's why I'm asking these questions is like, What do we need to log? New stuff, Do we need to reinterpret our existing data? Plots.
28:44 Raf Steil: I don't.
28:45 Scott Jackson: And you, yeah, go ahead.
28:51 Raf Steil: at least, for For situation. I might understand is that we have the data. To, to be prepared for the future.
29:05 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
29:05 Raf Steil: We have a lot of data. What we don't have is. We don't know what, we don't know, right? So what charts will be useful.
29:16 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
29:20 Raf Steil: I think that's the bigger question.
29:23 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
29:31 Raf Steil: exercise, I think would be What else can we think of in terms of reports when I say reports could be alerts graphs, whatever. So that we can identify that in the future.
29:50 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
29:50 Raf Steil: As a set of. Retroactively working on it only like right now.
29:56 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
29:57 Raf Steil: The merchant says there is this Pattern or errors happening. And then Oh, we are going to. Oh yeah. Okay. It makes sense, less greater a chart for it which is sure it's I think it's still a valid, a valid approach but we are not being Proactive on trying to find that.
30:17 Scott Jackson: Exactly, exactly. Yeah.
30:21 Raf Steil: Okay. Okay, okay, got it. So Okay. Yes. Solids. Form merchants report then to us. Which yeah, this is just a lot of brainstorming, not giving you any solid inserts.
30:54 Scott Jackson: Right, right? And this is You know. the, the maybe meme. or two harsh way to say it is like You know, this is the kind of thing we wanted to track. At the beginning of the project like and it's easy for me to say, like, well, why didn't we know this already? And, you know, I think part of the answer sounds like, as well. We kind of didn't know what to look for. To even plot this set fair.
31:37 Scott Jackson: Are you still there?
31:38 Raf Steil: oh yeah, I think we're I thought you were continue to
31:41 Scott Jackson: No no, I want to make sure like is, am I wrong about that? Is it is it that we haven't we have had a hard time figuring out what we even need to plot. Or is it something else that we just haven't? For some reason like produce the right graphs because it's, it's You know, it feels like it's harder than just saying like, well why don't you just plot the data? And tell me the answer.
32:05 Scott Jackson: But I want to make sure that that is accurate from your personal.
32:08 Raf Steil: I, That's how I I see it.
32:12 Scott Jackson: Okay.
32:13 Raf Steil: Having a data is one thing. Plotting the right, correct things. It's A whole another. And inside, it's always easy to say but this is office.
32:27 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
32:28 Raf Steil: I mean, sure.
32:28 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
32:29 Raf Steil: Now that we, you know, it's obvious
32:31 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
32:32 Raf Steil:  there is this urge to say, Let's do a whatever task force or look at it, our data and try to come up with ideas for charts. I think that's easier said than done. 
32:53 Scott Jackson: For sure. Yeah.
32:57 Raf Steil: so, even when take, for example, With Miguel was working on the Skinner bread crumbs. He worked like
33:09 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
33:11 Raf Steil: a great document but he's in the end,
33:13 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
33:15 Raf Steil: he had the same. He headed that it's the same conclusions and had the same struggles that were us. but, Without knowing, where we want to choose. To go. It's it's really hard to come up with something.
33:33 Scott Jackson: Okay, that makes sense.
33:39 Raf Steil: yeah, I mean Maybe so another idea will come up. That's how I feel it out. It's not that. I wish I I had the the answers to to
33:45 Scott Jackson: I understand, yeah.
33:49 Raf Steil: that.
33:49 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
33:50 Raf Steil: Oh.
33:50 Scott Jackson: No I understand and and I want to make sure that's why I wanted to double check with you to make sure that this that my assumptions were were Correct. Right.
33:58 Raf Steil: Yeah, I think so. So yeah, there's so many ways to approach these like, Oh always. I have this idea for a chart. Hey Scott. I'll spend one week, two weeks on it. Which may result in nothing.
34:12 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Yeah.
34:16 Raf Steil: I mean. If that's okay sure. We just as long as we are outlined on that. but, Yeah.
34:26 Scott Jackson: Okay.
34:27 Raf Steil: It's one of the thing that we can involve theater. Should evolving the other people. Okay.
34:35 Scott Jackson: Right. Yeah, we're a little over so sorry if I kept you.
34:40 Raf Steil: Now that for me, it's all good.
34:41 Scott Jackson: Something.
34:42 Raf Steil: That's basically what I'm working on. So, So, what where? Do we take it from here? So we have this line chart how things to Have a ticket. I'll bring you bring you.
35:00 Raf Steil: So for review, if you think it's
35:02 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
35:03 Raf Steil: okay, give okay. And I'll update create a PR for the dashboard to include it at the
35:09 Scott Jackson: Okay.
35:09 Raf Steil: computation, all of that. If not, you continue to iterate on it
35:12 Scott Jackson: Okay.
35:14 Raf Steil: for my side. Oh I'll resume the talks that the discussion that was I was having with Logan. for the for the Scanner, reboots and device reboot to see how if you can plot that.  And then, there is also the See how can we can get people working on the
35:43 Scott Jackson: The bug crashes.
35:44 Raf Steil: But rashes.
35:44 Scott Jackson: Yeah. Okay. Yep, that sounds good.
35:47 Raf Steil: That's good. Okay.
35:49 Scott Jackson: I think boat rashes is, you know, a longer term item and I understand but
35:52 Raf Steil: Yeah.
35:54 Scott Jackson: Yeah the scanner. Hey anything that you can do to help us like put this behind us once and for all because you know we're all frustrated by it. And I'm not like blaming anybody, right?
36:08 Raf Steil: Okay.
36:08 Scott Jackson: But this is just one of those things. Every time we think we fixed it, it
36:11 Raf Steil: Yeah.
36:12 Scott Jackson: comes back.
36:14 Raf Steil: Yeah, but yeah. It's It's the health approach, but at some point also we, I understand that specially. from your From your position. So, you need to take the expression, but take the control again and say, People come on, the s*** is not working. Come.
36:38 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
36:40 Raf Steil: I couldn't see you. How, from last Okay, I think that's it.
36:51 Scott Jackson: Okay.
36:52 Raf Steil: Oh, one last thing if you have like,
36:54 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
36:54 Raf Steil: you know, just like, I'm just going to repeat what I said in the past. Just a lot of of my Progress and leveling up and professional growth. I rely a lot on your feedback. Right. as much as you can from some from manager to report, I, I truly expect you to give the Feedback, even if it's hard to back about things that I should be doing. Better or more and stuff. So that I don't.
37:50 Raf Steil: Don't get to relax or
37:53 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
37:53 Raf Steil: all of that, you know, it's easy to
37:54 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
37:55 Raf Steil: just show. Go to a fall into the fall into the, the Comfort zone. Which may go both ways.
38:11 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
38:12 Raf Steil: Right? So just reminding you that at least with me. can be like, give this I know how the word, but Talk more about, okay? I will whatever it is. So you're either, right? You're doing great or whatever, I would.
38:33 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
38:34 Raf Steil: Expects you to do more or better or
38:36 Scott Jackson: Yeah, and you're absolutely right.
38:36 Raf Steil: whatever.
38:37 Scott Jackson:  Perhaps I can be a little more direct about how I do that. With you and everybody else, honestly. So that's that's totally fair.
38:50 Raf Steil: Yeah.
38:50 Scott Jackson: And I'll make make a point to do that. So like if we, if we were to wrap all
38:52 Raf Steil: Cool.
38:53 Scott Jackson: that up for today, like the two things that I would give you to take away, are, you know, you need to participate in bug bashes. And a great. Thing that I would love to see in an ideal world. Is if you said, Hey, you know what? I'm tired of this barcode scanning thing, too. I'm gonna go solve it. Let me handle it. I'm gonna come back to you with the plan.
39:14 Scott Jackson: and then I can say, Okay, great, you know, I don't have to Think about it as much as I, maybe I do. Like that's a great l7 behavior in my book.
39:26 Raf Steil: Cool.
39:26 Scott Jackson: How do you do that? That's that's the hard part. Obviously, you see here? Say Yeah, just go do it But that's hard.
39:33 Raf Steil: Oh f***.
39:33 Scott Jackson: And tricky, just like all the data.
39:33 Raf Steil: I just realized that my camera was was Yeah, here I am. I just realized that
39:39 Scott Jackson: Yeah, I know you were there. I just figured you were maybe like didn't want to be on camera because you weren't feeling 100%. And that's fine.
39:44 Raf Steil: No, I just looked at my temp. I'm at my temp I say why I'm not showing up. Oh, sorry about that.
39:51 Scott Jackson: You're because you're a vampire and the camera can't see you.
39:57 Raf Steil: So, sorry about that.
39:58 Scott Jackson: That's okay, it's okay.
39:58 Raf Steil: I just not after I want someone hour.
40:01 Scott Jackson: Yeah.
40:03 Raf Steil: Yeah. Okay.
40:04 Scott Jackson: Sorry.
40:05 Raf Steil: All right. Okay. See.
40:09 Scott Jackson: All right, see you later. Bye.
  