# group assumptions

###### tags: `manyverse`

- "private groups" is just the internal name. we can surface a new one to users.
- we want to prevent hate groups from using it if possible
- define "ourselves"
- what behaviours support / styme different sort of group
- group reviews for friends
- message that I publish which tell you about a group (before a person enters)
- could be split out into:
- trust / safety
- tags about voice (e.g. "heaps of bootstrap UI", "straight male porn")
- member directory
- how old
- how often
- how many invitees
- who invited person X
- is X an admin of this group?
- relationships with me
- group is an object
- can be pointed at
- e.g. for invite only you can point at the group
- ? group chats and private groups relationship
- back end is the same
- scenario 1 (group-lite): start as private group (ask questions later), you make threads in here
- scenario 2: start a private chat (evolve it into a group with more features later)
- scenario 3?: users don't know the difference between private chats and groups
- the backend is the same
- we provide two distinct UI
- same
- bird-eye view for large groups
- subway map navigation
- word cloud (sniffing)
- you could set custom filters locally for trigger words you want surfced e.g. "holocaust"
- sentiment analysis? synonmym library?
- "important threads" - lots of activity, or often referenced, or pinned
- comparison table against other groups
- define criteria
- break down "security"
- testimonials
- migration path interview
- facebook
- other ssb
- mastodon pribate instances
- whatsapp
- telegram
- signal
- dark matter
- registration flow and invitation flow
- nicholas and mix will work on a diagram and bring it to the group
- andrestaltz: I would rather have everybody can add members, because that's what the private-group protocol can support, and we can't force other SSB apps to follow the "only admins can add" rule
- in ahau:
- have an "admin subgroup"
- stores extra private info for admins only
- "POBox" - this is an address anyone can deliver messages to, but without knowing who you are sending it to.
- V high-risk group persona are out-of-scope:
- truly invisible groups (invitation only, no doors)
- no way to sniff group by looking at .ssb folder
- content also reads the user
- journalist/leaking/whistleblower
- forward secrecy?
- can previous messages be seen with forward-secrecy?
- ? hostile users:
- V truce model for blocked users
- ? admin edge cases
- group is old and admin died
- admins cancels one another
- unadmin
- group personas
- V delay tolerant groups
- people in isolated communities (indigenous people, antatica)
- boat community
- V private notes (multi-devices)
- V family records: family wants to share pics/audio/video and docs, seamlessly and under data sovereignty
- storage: how does it work generation-wise? an elder posts an audio of story, and then their grandchildren want to listen to it. how do we avoid the "bias of now"?
- storage: how do I know when a file/picture/audio is replicated by too few people, and is in risk of being forgotten? surface this fact and ask the group to help replicate it
- :warning: Surface the risk of being forgotten!
- indigenous groups: collective mapping and oral stories
- **V organization coordination**: organization hashes things out, takes decisions, and stores protocols
- examples: co-ops, volunteer groups
- :warning: This group persona wants documentation, and documentation depends on edit/clear/delete messages, teams, subgroups
- 1-author edit
- draft mode
- CLEAR would completely hide the post from the UI, except for the admins
- council notes where council members come to a decision in a private group and later reveal the discourse and result for transparency
- archive
- unions (high-risk group persona?)
- study groups: a book club using `ssb` for event planning, notes and overall book (or any media, in fact) criticism
- underground parties
- seems easy
- media discussion:
- discussing a photo+description of food
- discussing a news article that someone shared
- discussing an object that someone shared
- special diet/fitness groups
- special needs:
- parents of autistic people
- collective intelligence, troubleshooting together
- recipes for gluten intolerant
- people with cancer (secure group persona?)
- friends shooting shit (bottom-up organization)
- "hey wanna grab a beer"
- "i'm here + map location"
- "oh i'll be 10 min late sry"
- grassroots small group that suddenly becomes big group
- the kind of stuff you have in signal chats (or current manyverse private chats)
- political groups
- climate migrants
- activism, protest, black block