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:notebook: [Dolphin Tank Meeting Index](https://hackmd.io/s/BkVRf6AXV)

# 2023-12-12 Dolphin Tank

a.k.a. Project Lab

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Welcome! :wave: If you're reading this, then you're welcome to contribute!
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:date: **When?** Tues, Dec 12 2023 @ 8-9pm
:round_pushpin: **Where?** http://link.civictech.ca/hacknight
:raising_hand: **Who's hosting?** patcon :: [Facilitator Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DJX-tfW1io3rv-JJvIKAYBK1n448AvOgkTwlMbARxvU/edit#heading=h.aqfpdtpxdfr6) :book:
:family: **Who's here?** tristan, patcon
:memo: **Who's note-taking?** patcon

## Notes

- intros
    - tristan. patcon.
- tristan. idea! failed for-profit project.
- looking for ideas to make it more publicly useful
- rentals.ca or viewit.ca for finding places to live
- needs updating. worked on over 10 years part-time. gmaps ToS updates.
- not live anymore. was rentbetter.ca (lost domain)
- had a bunch of features missing from main sites
    - multi-lingual. because all check-boxes, so landlord didn't need to speak mulitple languages
    - like MLS for renting
    - feels important to confirm accurancy
- didn't finish before rentals.ca arrives, and gave up when they launched. looked like they were going to dominate.
- current for-profit model = $55/month from landlord
    - not needing to charge, or charging little
- just needs fix-ups
- BUT main challenge is to get it in front of landlords
- pc: community civic tech projects have strengths, but running sustainable services are harder
    - free might not be best?
- pc: "just the monitoring" is also "just the hardest and most thankless part of the work" for community
- tristan: big part for community is the launch, the network-building
- pc: how to build ownership on project when work is done?
- only useful in urban areas. free services work fine in rural areas. kijiji.
- potential community project scopes
    - 1. tristan: launch and advertising of platform (grassroots)
    - 2. pc: researching governance structures (ie. launching of nonprofit?)
        - leaning toward this one. a few years ago, worked on this. want to do a non-typical launch.
    - 3. pc: converting to open source (documentation, hosting, CI, updating dependencies)
    - 4. pc: prep to launch platform co-operative based on software
        - patcon: thinks this is the most worthy
        - stakeholder groups
            - big corp landords (tend to not use deceptive ads)
                - more aware of paltform than small-scale tenants
            - small landlords
            - tenants
            - platform workers
- high profit (tristan did calculations)
- also likely very high spend on network-building, abd network-keeping
- platforms like this are natural monopoly
- close to rentfaster.ca (natural monopoly in calgary)
- viewit.ca in toronto is spending almost nothing
- (2) and (4) are very similar. maybe same.
- won't pitch without hosting website
    - 4h to prep
- proposal: if not ready to show by Jan 2, then still pitch
    - goal = website fixed and hosted, but won't block
- tech stack. html, js, php, mysql.
- shared link
    - https://roostrent.com/
    - https://meetings.hypha.coop/2019-04-25-coopdevs-chat.html
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- todos
    - [ ] fix google maps account
    - [ ] fix local or server-based hosting