:notebook: [Dolphin Tank Meeting Index](https://hackmd.io/s/BkVRf6AXV) # 2023-12-12 Dolphin Tank a.k.a. Project Lab :::info Welcome! :wave: If you're reading this, then you're welcome to contribute! ::: :date: **When?** Tues, Dec 12 2023 @ 8-9pm :round_pushpin: **Where?** http://link.civictech.ca/hacknight :raising_hand: **Who's hosting?** patcon :: [Facilitator Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DJX-tfW1io3rv-JJvIKAYBK1n448AvOgkTwlMbARxvU/edit#heading=h.aqfpdtpxdfr6) :book: :family: **Who's here?** tristan, patcon :memo: **Who's note-taking?** patcon ## Notes - intros - tristan. patcon. - tristan. idea! failed for-profit project. - looking for ideas to make it more publicly useful - rentals.ca or viewit.ca for finding places to live - needs updating. worked on over 10 years part-time. gmaps ToS updates. - not live anymore. was rentbetter.ca (lost domain) - had a bunch of features missing from main sites - multi-lingual. because all check-boxes, so landlord didn't need to speak mulitple languages - like MLS for renting - feels important to confirm accurancy - didn't finish before rentals.ca arrives, and gave up when they launched. looked like they were going to dominate. - current for-profit model = $55/month from landlord - not needing to charge, or charging little - just needs fix-ups - BUT main challenge is to get it in front of landlords - pc: community civic tech projects have strengths, but running sustainable services are harder - free might not be best? - pc: "just the monitoring" is also "just the hardest and most thankless part of the work" for community - tristan: big part for community is the launch, the network-building - pc: how to build ownership on project when work is done? - only useful in urban areas. free services work fine in rural areas. kijiji. - potential community project scopes - 1. tristan: launch and advertising of platform (grassroots) - 2. pc: researching governance structures (ie. launching of nonprofit?) - leaning toward this one. a few years ago, worked on this. want to do a non-typical launch. - 3. pc: converting to open source (documentation, hosting, CI, updating dependencies) - 4. pc: prep to launch platform co-operative based on software - patcon: thinks this is the most worthy - stakeholder groups - big corp landords (tend to not use deceptive ads) - more aware of paltform than small-scale tenants - small landlords - tenants - platform workers - high profit (tristan did calculations) - also likely very high spend on network-building, abd network-keeping - platforms like this are natural monopoly - close to rentfaster.ca (natural monopoly in calgary) - viewit.ca in toronto is spending almost nothing - (2) and (4) are very similar. maybe same. - won't pitch without hosting website - 4h to prep - proposal: if not ready to show by Jan 2, then still pitch - goal = website fixed and hosted, but won't block - tech stack. html, js, php, mysql. - shared link - https://roostrent.com/ - https://meetings.hypha.coop/2019-04-25-coopdevs-chat.html - - todos - [ ] fix google maps account - [ ] fix local or server-based hosting