--- title: PaperCut-Fix Ticket 83 description: agenda for meeting with Para Apps, Inc. tags: OSMph --- # OSM-PH LoCo meeting with Para Apps, re [ticket 83](https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83) * [ ] some may not make it. ask if there's any objection to recording the proceedings? * [ ] ask everyone to take notes ## Opening statement & Introductions * Opening Statement * Erwin: [Welcome!](/HSdSlS7xQUqVUGvEmg_Eag) * Introductions * OSM * Para Apps ## Outline of community concerns * suspicious edits * PH * NR * organized editing guidelines * QA of "third-party data" ## Presentations * ~~What is OSM and OSM-PH (???)~~ * Summary of [Ticket #83](https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83) * Ask if Para Apps would like to make a statement * Presentation by Timmy ## Q&A * **Background** * What motivated you to use OSM data for your products? * Are you familiar with the OSMF Organized Editing guidelines? * How is Para Safe, Inc. related to these brands/domain/email? * "Para Safe Corporation" * "info@parasafetech.com" * When did management became aware of the community's concerns re your OSM editing activities? * How many mappers do you have? Can you provide us with their usernames? * Please tell us more about your products, Para, and Para9JA * **"We're sorry", Para's statement re their data source** * Same word-for-word response from [Jan Rei](https://imgur.com/ml0IR2e) via OSM DM, and the email from [Jovan Ortega](https://imgur.com/hPQjfl7): <details>"We hire third-parties who are from the area being mapped to tag the location of establishments, landmarks, and other government offices. They will send to us the coordinates and the names of the places, and will be encoded accordingly by a third-party. The chances of having the same establishments, landmarks, and government offices on the same location as Google is for the basic reason that we are mapping the same areas on planet Earth. Unless, Google mapped an alternate universe that would result in different mapping of the same locality."</details> * Can you elaborate on this statement, and your workflow? * How do you hire third-party data collectors/encoders? * What are their guidelines for collecting data? * What is the process of collecting coordinates, and attributes? * Why aren't you adding unique information (address details, contact number, business hours) when you could've gathered these at the same time? * How is the data transmitted from your collectors to your encoders? * Can one of your mappers demonstrate this workflow by sharing your screen and simulate editing process, from receiving the data to encoding it to OSM? * **Quality of Edits** * Can you elaborate on you quality assurance process, to ensure that your edits conform with OSM Guidelines and Community expectations? * Ortographic similarities. Can you tells why the feature's name ortography are exactly the same (e.g. capitalization, all-caps, abbreviations, punctuations and variations) as those found from G maps? * Changeset comments that are inconsistent, or don't describe thee changes made on the map.