# WG Meeting: 2024-07-16
## Agenda
- Review feedback / open issues
- New events process
- [Pushpull delivery proposal](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tulshibagwale-pushpull-delivery/)
- OIDF Japan developments

## Attendees
- Shayne Miel (Cisco)
- Nick Wooler (Cisco)
- Paul Briault ()
- Atul Tulshibagwale (SGNL)
- Sean O'Dell (Disney)
- Nancy Cam Winget (Cisco)
- Yair Sarig (VMWare)
- Tom Sato (VeriClouds)
- Stan Bounev (VeriClouds)
- Apoorva Deshpande(Okta)
- Mike Kiser (SailPoint)

## Notes
### Feedback / Open Issues
- There was a question about what is the default behavior if the "default_subjects" is not defined, it was addressed as being undefined by design
- Recommendation to review the open issues, and bring them up for discussion if required.

### Changes to the Specs
- There was [one change](https://github.com/openid/sharedsignals/pull/193) which was merged after the review process began, but it was a non normative change, so it is OK to change it.
- No one on the call seems to have concerns about it.

### New Events Process
- (Apoorva) We haven't progressed yet.
- I was going to sync up with Jen and Tim about how it should be structured, but we haven't met yet.

### Pushpull delivery
- latest draft is here: https://github.com/SGNL-ai/pushpull/, https://fuzzy-adventure-v7jg2el.pages.github.io/
- Older draft: [Pushpull delivery proposal](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tulshibagwale-pushpull-delivery/)
- (Apoorva) This is very interesting
- (Sean) I like that the "setErrs" is now available in both push and poll with pushpull

### OIDF Japan developments
- (Tom) The exec commmittee have been talking about an interop event in Japan. We've spoken to the director of OIDF Japan
- (Tom) We like the idea, but we are trying to figure out the logistics and cost of it
- (Tom) The industry is interested, but no one has started implementation yet.
- (Tom) The OIDF committee has identified funds for it, but not enough
- (Tom) I will be discussing with Mr. Fujiye, but nothing is decided yet.
- (Tom) It will help for WG members for getting the Japanese industry going, by conducting a tutorial on how to develop a Transmitter and Receiver. Any volunteers? Please DM me on Slack
- (Atul) The use-cases you discussed after the last SSF workshop to be interesting
- (Tom) I did a tutorial, and gave a full overview, including a technical details
- (Tom) The Japanese governemt is trying to solve issues related to cybersecurity of bank accounts. People are sending Phishing emails that end up compromising accounts
- (Tom) Banks cannot tell each other that such accounts are being compromised, closed, etc.
- (Tom) SSF seems to be interesting in this resect
- (Tom) They are also trying to figure out how to deal with closed accounts of deceased people. They would like to send out messages about that, and other events such as the death of the account holder.
- (Tom) Another player who attended the workshop that credential compromise was an interesting signal, mainly because a lot of sites still using very old login methods
- (Tom) all in all, a good response, but we need next steps.
- (Tom) I'd suggest to do a Zoom based tutorial and Q&A to make progress
- (Atul) A number of these are RISC use cases, so we could focus on RISC for the interop
- (Tom) Companies like Okta have done a lot of work in Japan
- (Sean) FRom my notes during the Identiverse meeting, the "assurance level change" events between banks is also interesting.
- (Mike) I'd love to talk to people who are interested in the "death event" application as well. If Atul needs backup on a webinar, I could help too.
- (Atul) I'd love the participation
- (Sean) From my IDV notes: They wanted to begin implementation in 2025, and have it live by 2028
- (Mike) I'd like to open-source my transmitter.

## Action Items