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title: Meeting Notes 2025-07-15
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# Meeting Notes 2025-07-15

## Attendees
* Alex Babeanu
* Jeff Lombardo
* Phillip Messerschmidt
* Victor Lu
* Gerry Gebel
* Roland Baum
* David Hyland
* Eve Maler

## Agenda
- OPA/Styra authzen todo implementation from Styra (https://github.com/open-policy-agent/contrib/pull/268/files)
- Alex B has a presentation to review resource_id from the ReBAC perspective
- Potentially moving the time for this call
- AuthZEN briefing for EIC last week
-  More open issues to discuss
    - 278 Inconsistent use of reason...
    - 268 Security section needs details on Client AuthN failure
    - 250 Deny_on_first_deny... examples are cumbersome
    - 230 Search API statistics needed
    - 55 Sign access decision? 
    - 46 and 47 Device ID and IP address

## Notes
OPA/Styra
- Omri has been talking to them about taking over the OPA integration and there is a PR has been reviewed and merged https://github.com/open-policy-agent/contrib/pull/268/files
- They will try to host an endpoint for future interops


Resource_id
- Alex goes thru his presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qnV_7lGu6hpfjYYwY9kJ9UZpDG_Ob8CMu5MedNGgieY/edit?usp=sharing
- JL: Suggestion to change this to optional was not intended to be exclusionary
- JL: Making resource_id optional can cover both optional and mandatory scenarios
- JL: There could be scenarios other than create that also have this issue, such as list 
- OG: Reviewed first principles of creating a spec that can be implemented by the widest number of PDPs. We wanted a spec that comprised of a well formed request that could be sent to any of the participating PDPs. We also tried to keep semantics out of the spec and focus on syntax. What is missing is a practices/patterns document that provides guidance for certain use cases, such as create. If the PEP's objective is to interop with a variety of PDPs, then there is a minimum required to interop.
- JL: Thinks the PDP may interpret some placeholder resouce_id in an inconsistent fashion. 
- OG: Believes we've gone to great lengths to accommodate to keep the spec focused on syntax but again we have not provided guidance that a practices/patterns document to address these questions because implementers are going to ask, "how do I do this?"
- GG: This issue is now resolved to keep resource_id mandatory

Meeting time discussion
- GG: with David B now based in Europe, we are looking for alternate times for this call
- DH: Open for other times as long as it is not 4 am :-)
- OG: Would prefer to have a single time to ensure consistent momentum
- GG: Will address this offline 

Issue 278 Inconsistent use of reason and pagination
- see https://github.com/openid/authzen/pull/341
- OG: suggest you go back to cleaning up reason and break this into 2 PRs, AB agreed

Issue 268: Security section needs details on Client AuthN failure
- Suggested text change to include SHOULD in this section "MUST respond with a 401 HTTP code and include the HTTP"
- Alex will update accordingly

Issue 55: Sign access decision?
- This will be addressed in a specific profile