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tags: unconference
title: Publishing software papers
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# Publishing software papers
Publications are the currency for researchers and number and distribution of publications can often be a tie-breaker for getting fundings, so let’s talk about where to publish research software papers.
## Where do you publish your software?
- [Journal of Open Source Software (JOSS)](https://joss.theoj.org/)
- peer reviewed
- open access
- no fee
- [Journal of Open Research Software (JORS)](https://openresearchsoftware.metajnl.com/)
- peer reviewed
- open access
- publication fee, but can be waived? [see here](https://openresearchsoftware.metajnl.com/about/submissions/)
- [software-X](https://www.journals.elsevier.com/softwarex/)
- [Geoscientific Model Development (GMD)](https://www.geoscientific-model-development.net/index.html)
- open peer reviewed
- open access
- publication fee
- [Applied Physics Reviews](https://aip.scitation.org/journal/are)
- Field-specific journals can let you publish a software paper or software update paper, as long as the manuscript also shows practical applications of the software/method on a scientific topic within the scope of the journal. This is more work, but it has the advantage that the paper provides a use case of the software in your field. For chemistry and biology: [JCIM](https://pubs.acs.org/page/jcisd8/about.html), [JCTC](https://pubs.acs.org/page/jctcce/about.html), [JCAMD](https://www.springer.com/journal/10822), [Plos Comp Biol](https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/s/journal-information), [Bioinformatics](https://academic.oup.com/bioinformatics/pages/About), [Proteins](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/page/journal/10970134/homepage/productinformation.html).
## Some questions to start discussion
- What are the forums that accept research software papers? There are e.g. JOSS, JORS, softwareX, do you know others?
- What to publish there? When is a research software "good enough" to be published in a journaArtl?
- It depends on the level or size of the software (package/module -> earth system model).
- How do these journals compare to traditional journals? When should you choose a "traditional" forum and when a software forum, what are the advantages and disadvantages of each?
- How are these journals ranked compared to other ones? Some countries (e.g. Finland and Norway) have a ranking system of publication forums. How are these forums ranked? How should they be ranked?
- For example according to the Finnish publication forums ranking system (JUFO) has 3 degrees for "good" forums: 1, 2, 3. And JUFO 0 for both "suspicious" forums and small/new ones. JUFO 0 publications cannot e.g. be included into PhD dissertations and are not well seen in funding applications. JOSS and JORS are JUFO 0. Software-X is JUFO 1.
- Is there enough awareness of these forums? Are all RSEs and researchers aware of these forums and related issues? What can we do to increase awareness (if needed)?
## Notes comments about the discussion
- articles are no longer found by looking at table of contents
- using google scholar it almost does not matter anymore where one publishes other than what eg universities require (?) for the article being found by other researchers
- referee process should be more of a dialogue than getting a review and answering it once (it used to be more like that)
- 'the internet' will probably also hit the publishing industry at some point
- in arxiv one can submit paper+code+data
- JOSS interactive discussion on review and public
- acceptance rate can be super high
- which may paradoxically be a reason for it being JUFO 0 (in Finland)
- paper is submitted as part of the repository (in markdown)
- When is your code good enough for a software paper?
- software papers "freeze" the software in time
- how to cope for software getting updated but paper not
- encourange to check repository intead of the paper
- Zenodo DOI -> bibtex?
- (in eg Zotero one can input the DOI and it gives the information which can be exported into bibtex (not tried if it works with Zenodo publications))
- https://zenodo.org/record/4891793#.YNxt3m6xWqQ
- it's at the bottom ~~left~~ (or bottom right ;-)) of the page, you can export the BiBTeX.
- We need to start citing from Zenodo/github releases etc
- Zenodo
## Is there enough awareness of software publishing practices and how to improve
- For phd students, most software papers, if accepted in the fist place, would probably be considerd "secondary paper"
- If more people coded, more people would value software papers/zenodo
- how to measure skill level for eg PhD students to decide who should work on code/research
- if current ranking systems gives monetary award for highest ranked publications (e.g. JUFO 2 and 3 in forums) how can software papers be ranked higher if e.g. JOSS has a more constructive review process so acceptance ratae is high