# Enlightened過後:我想要打站 or 我不想努力了 by Sky Yu
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請愛惜共筆,勿進行惡意刪減
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## 現實要很多人一起
- 紅隊
- 鑑識
- 修補
- 維護
- 法規
- 顧問
- 還有好多
## Course Target
- Make you know more about security industry
- Make the FJU hack enthusiasm pass down
- Make you know how to approach targeting security jobs in the future
- Make you know more about what you want to know
- 未知帶來恐懼
> 有任何問題歡迎問我[name=sky yu]
- Have to clarify something before we start...
- In this class, you will not learn any ~~hacking~~ skill or get 100 points in final exam
- You will learn
- How to spend your points(time) on the skill tree
- How to improve yourself on the right path
> stay on the right path
> 即便這條路是孤單的
- 選擇冷門的路
- 可以自由地做,可能不太會有人反駁
- 後人會拿你的成果做研究
- 選擇熱門的路
- 競爭激烈
- How to seamless connect to our first job
- 做你喜歡的事情
- ~~如果不快樂,可能會連見到掃地阿姨你都生氣~~
- How to share/obtain knowledges to/from communities/groups
- 回饋與討論
> NISRA since 2007
- 組織內衝突
- Ready to roll out ?
- **專業**,就是不浪費大家的時間
### Intrtroduction of Speaker
- Sky yu, The Principal Security Consultant of Edgio
- 20 yr+ Experience of Security Related Domain, Workedfor Internationl Security Vendors such as Acer, Verizon(美國電信商), NTT(日本電信商), Yahoo etc, Expertise Domain as Below:
- Penetration testing & vulnerablility management
- Incident response & forensic
- 關聯性分析
- EX 打火機+汽油 =>是不是要做爆裂物
- EX2 0:AM 有LAVI log登入紀錄> 本人出差 >判定有異常攻擊紀錄
- SIEM ~關聯性分析~ Implementation, operation & maintenance
- Security strategies, policies, guidelines, procedures
> 自己踩過的雷不要再讓同事再犯,不要再讓錯誤的事情重蹈覆轍 [name= sky yu]
- DDos Mitigation
- 癱瘓的對手網站,吸引對手客戶到自家,進而本家現金流收益增加
- [DDoS—未知的恐懼:如何面對它、處理它、放下它](https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params=%7B%22note_id%22%3A354020216042315%7D&path=%2Fnotes%2Fnote%2F&refsrc=deprecated)
- WAF Security
- Training in Security Domain
> 不懂就問最多就是被笑五分鐘,不問被笑五年[name=MO MOnkey? 聽說是批踢踢 JAVA 版版主]
> 不需要天生就是天才
## Outline
- Hello security World!
- Mansion or Jail, that's the question
> 不是住帝寶就是住監獄 [name=Sky Yu]
> 原話:To be or not to be
- zeroday 控制百萬台server
- Ready to step into your career?
- 做自己喜歡的事還可以養活自己
<!-- 我們沒點肉眼 Parse 注音編碼的技能 XDD -->
<!-- 天眼通? 不 是 天眼通! https://youtu.be/OOwQlv8noH0?t=34 -->
- Keep fighting till the end
- 持續奮鬥
- [分享成就世界? OS Monitor](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ddm.activity&hl=en_US&gl=US)
### CTF is Only One?
1. Cisco
2. Microsoft
3. ...
- 沒一個專注在 CTF/攻擊
#### what do they do
- protect your electronic assets against evolving cybersecurity threats
- 所有東西都電子化了
- EX 紙本病歷
- 以前只能實體偷,現在上網就可以偷
- 之所以資安為什麼熱門
### What if you don't like any one of above?
### user side
#### user side security functions
- Executive level: Define security strategies , policies and procedures
- Management level: following the security strategies and rules, give orders to operation roles to keep department security functions working
- Operation level: following th department's functions and orders from management level to ensure security ...
#### Advantages of User side
- Stable IT environment
- Stable relationship with colleagues
- Stable promotion
- Stable works
- Less business travel
<!-- 好像政府單位 -->
#### vendor side security functions
- Security product company : Develop security product to users
- FORTINET
- JUNIPER NETWORKS
- Sevurity service company:Provide security related servcices to users.
- Deloitte.
- DEVCORE
- 沒有人這樣的人就不能提供這樣的服務
- 公司買貴設備,輕人員訓練
- 機器設備一直叫 沒有人處理
- 買了M-2000 沒有人維護
#### advantages of Vendor side
- Challenging IT environment
- Business > Security
- 要先有錢阿~
- Challenginh releationship with customers
- Surprised promotion
- Challenging and urgent works
- 心臟要很大顆
- Freqeuntly and urent business travel
- 適合喜歡嘗試新事物的人
- 你上頭不怕砸鍋,你怕什麼?
- Orange
- 飛機上拿到(洞?)
- RFC印下來K文件
- 飛lasvagas
- 下飛機找到(洞?)
- 技術底子要夠厚,才能10幾個小時內找到
<!-- 乙方> -->
#### The different security expertise
- User-side
- RD
- oper
- Asse
- Audit
- ETC
- Vendor-side
#### Actually, all of them should work as...
湘北高中籃球隊
#### This is the reason why
- [Bucket effects](https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E6%9C%A8%E6%A1%B6%E7%90%86%E8%AB%96)
- 水會從最低的那塊流出去
- 攻擊1000次,成功一次>成功的攻擊
- 防守1000次,失敗一次>失敗的防守
- 做得好應該,做不好要賠
<!-- 我打你應該 不打你悲哀 -->
- め組の大吾
- >原本以為是養老單位,結果是因為前輩防火預備做到滴水不漏,所以才沒有火災
- 預算也是補弱點
#### Mansion or jail ,it's question
- You can do something other can't
- Brave or Dragon?
- 以後沒有人會知道我的名字,但是我做的東西會在這裡
- 如何使用你的技能幫助你想要幫助的(自己,人,世界)
- There is an important line but obscure
- Black or white?
- Don't matter if you are, black or white
- 跨越後影響會很大
- 刑事紀錄...etc(司法院會有裁判書可以查)
- **Intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access**
- 不屬於你應該要做的事情,不要做
- ex:pentest, dump db, not in report , but in record.
- ~~打對岸要不要?~~
- 尤其澳洲不要惹,掃描太多也會被會文
- Active infomatiuon gathering
- Nmap, SQLmap
- 你會讓一個陌生人在你家門口一直換鑰匙試嗎?
- Don't try cross line
- probably no way back
- 一路黑到底
<!-- cd-pro2 想做好人?跟法官說 -->
- ex: 悠遊卡 RFID 破解
- hitcon zeroday平台是適合的溝通管道
- 善意揭露 vs 惡意揭露
- 善意揭露:將所有技術細節給公司,得到一個 credit
- 惡意掲露:僅透漏部分細節給公司,讓對方知道你可以駭,並要求對方將付錢解鎖漏洞(但這不違法,而是道德高度沒那麼高)
- be good , one day you will
> - 站著把錢掙了
### Ready to step into your career?
- 自己決定價碼選擇權在自己手上
#### Generally , you have to prepare your own resume
#### but please DON'T do this
- EX 履歷寫錯字
- 履歷即代表個人
#### nor this
- 寫一些不著邊際的話
#### 提重點 吸引面試官
- 面試可以
- 知道市場趨勢
- 價碼
- 熱門議題
- 市場方向
- 交朋友
<!-- 打到一半忘記了 -->
<!-- 多人打是不是有bug, 有些排版跳掉了 -->
- 認為是對的事情 堅持下去,可能路不是很好走,但你會有機會找到好夥伴
- online resume builder
- 1111
- 104
- live
- https://zety.com/resume-builder
- referred by friends (EX 學長姊)
<!-- 黑黑的朋友 -->
#### HR banK?
- slave bank?
#### 實際上好工作不會在上面
#### The houses with high c/p sold out immediately
- 高CP值馬上會被找掉
- 人力銀行不斷在找人,釋出>地雷
1. Ask your friends or ex-colleagues if they are intrested
2. Ask your friends or ex-colleagues if they have any reffrence
3. wait for response
4. Release this info to HR bank
- According to this rule, the first job is always with lower C/P
- Wanna grow up fast and leave novice village ASAP?
- 技術與英文差不多強
- 去國外找
- Important: Before next chapter please try to get one English certification
- The English Certification is 輔助
- It helps you save lot of time in interview
- EX 5min 英文自我介紹
- 不講技術語言,要聊什麼?
- even more, it can lead you a way to worldwide
### Keep figing till dead
#### how to grow fast
- Participate
- Share
- Contribution
#### Find out target in your group
- copy it
- 持續做100天
- one day you can be master
- keeping extend your knowledge base and social connections
- ex 健身,破壞與重建
- face every challenges and try to overcome
- create your own brand and keep polishing it
### QA
- Q1:接case 什麼客戶比較好合作
- A:
- 一開始沒什麼選擇權,後面一直累積有招牌,可以分辨這個錢該不該賺
- 有些單位官僚主義,不尊重專業,沒有用到這個專業價值,就不要彼此折磨
- 需要時間累積 路遙知馬力日久見人心
假設妳是提供服務,要先知道對方知不知道他的需求是什麼,他都不知道建議就不要接
- Scope沒有定義好是前期都會犯的錯
- Q2:看技術以外,還會看什麼例如人格特質?請問會不會有性別天花板的刻板印象,比如產假
- A:
- 1.最重看態度,技能可以再學
- ex: 數學系不懂
- 有問題馬上回報
- 沒問題回報進度
- 交談過程可以知道人格特質
- 2.女生在資工產業有優勢也有劣勢
- 男生偏多,女生被要求與苛責程度較輕
- 部分人對女生有刻板印象
- 起薪什麼的不會因為性別有差別
- 國外公司福利通常較好
- Q3:學歷要求?
- A:實力至上
- Q4:一年的什麼時候,資安工作招募 headcount 名額最多?
- A:資安職缺很多都缺人,並沒有釋出時間的問題,隨時都可以嘗試丟履歷
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