Exploring _Lucifer_ Season 6

# Exploring _Lucifer_ Season 6 Many fans are confused and conflicted about the content presented in Season 6 of _Lucifer_. This document of frequently asked questions compiles in-show canon content and showrunner/writer interviews to help aid discussion, understanding, and fan works. --- # On Commuting ### Q: Why couldn't Lucifer commute like Amenadiel does? Lucifer could have, in theory, and offered to ("I can just pop down to Hell, save a few souls, and then pop back up here again. It doesn't have to be a full-time job."). Rory told him not to commute, and he did as she asked. This is further confirmed in interviews: > _**Interviewer:** So, I know fans are going to ask, why didn't Lucifer decide to just stay on Earth with Chloe and/or travel back and forth to Hell?_ > > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview)** Love for his daughter. His daughter asked him not to. There's a line in there that was very important to me, which is when she says, "Don't change me." [...] > > Yeah, the superficial reason is: I don't want to break this time loop. I don't want to unravel anything. The emotional reason is: my daughter is proud of who she is. She loves who she is. She doesn't want me to try to muck with her, which I think there's a very interesting story of parents trying to make their children something they're not. It's him listening. Amenadiel basically has all the luck and choice as God, according to writer Mike Costa: > **[Mike Costa (Jun 14, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-spiritual-side-of-the-series-exclusive-interview-part-5/)** [By showing Amenadiel with Linda and Charlie when Charlie sprouts his wings], we wanted to make it clear that Amenadiel wasn’t just in the Silver City with His family there. He was also with his family on Earth. **And He was not going to do what Lucifer had to do, which was essentially not be in his child’s life. He was going to be there for all of those moments. And also, our argument was, well, He’s God. He can do anything, right?** He can be in two places at once if He wanted to be. Practically, the writers chose not to break or change the loop because it was "too brain-destroying." > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** [Lucifer breaking the loop] was on the table for a while. We talked about it quite a bit. Like, ‘Okay, so he makes a different choice.’ But ultimately, **we decided that it’s just too confusing and too strange and brain-destroying if he doesn’t abandon her** the way she said he does to create this time loop. So, if he has to abandon her, why would he? And it really came down to, ‘She would have to tell him to do it. It would have to be her choice, because that’s the only way he would do it.’ So, that’s how we came to that idea... It was a problem that we didn’t solve until very late in the season. --- ### Q: Why does Rory tell Lucifer not to stay or commute? In the show, Rory gives two reasons. The first is that Lucifer would never realize his "calling" without events unfolding exactly as they have: > **Rory:** Everything that we've been through, it all leads to what Dad just realized, that he needs to help those lost souls. **We can't change anything, or he might never get that idea.** When Lucifer protests, she changes her reasoning, saying she actually doesn't want him to stay or commute because that would change her, and she doesn't want to change: > **Rory:** No, **it's my life. My choices.** Don't you see, I-I'm the one who asked you to do what you did. And honestly, **knowing what I know now, I-I wouldn't change a thing...** **Give me your word that you won't change anything! That you won't change me!** In post-show interviews, the showrunners have said Rory doesn't want to change anything for herself or her family because she loves herself and accepts her trauma. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview)** **It was this idea of, "Listen, I'm me. I am the sum of my parts. I don't want you to try to change who I am. I love who I am. I am strong. And I am awesome."** So, to me, it's that moment that really linchpins it. It's like, yes, she came back out of anger, but she returned out of love. That's a journey that she didn't want to be taken away from her. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 25, 2021):](https://scifivision.com/interviews/6298-exclusive-ildy-modrovich-discusses-the-whys-what-ifs-of-lucifer-season-6)** We found the moment when Rory says, “Don't change me,” in other words, when **she accepted that “I wouldn't be who I was, who I am right now, if the past were different.”** And I think that's another thing that we can all sympathize with and understand, like, the bad things mold us too. --- ### Q: Does Lucifer take breaks from Hell to visit Chloe behind Rory's back? <a href="https://i.imgur.com/lyEnHX9.jpg" title="Click to see full size"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/lyEnHX9.jpg" alt="06x10 script" width="400" style="float:right;margin-left:10px;margin-bottom:4px;"></a>No, not according to [the 06x10 script](https://i.imgur.com/lyEnHX9.jpeg). (More script pictures [here](https://twitter.com/hhuffman7/status/1457060307797426178).) And, no, not according to most post-show interviews. However, the longer the season has settled, the more the showrunners have claimed he visits, likely in response to fan backlash. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 12, 2021):](https://collider.com/lucifer-season-6-showrunners-interview-netflix-original-ending/)** [Chloe dying without Lucifer at the end] was still in [the original 5B ending]. It was the idea that Chloe has a calling on Earth, Lucifer has a calling in Hell, and understanding that **they had to be separate** for a bit until they could be together again. > **[Tom Ellis (Sep 12, 2021):](https://ew.com/tv/lucifer-stars-tom-ellis-lauren-german-break-down-the-bittersweet-series-finale/)** I love bittersweet endings, and I think it was bittersweet because there was always this elephant in the room at the fact that Lucifer's immortal and Chloe isn't. And so someone's going to have to come to the end of their life at some point, whereas this person just carries on. So how do we navigate that, and how do we make that as real and poignant as possible? And I think **the sacrifice that Lucifer ended up making about not [spending] the rest of Chloe's life with her on Earth**, was made in the full knowledge that they would most likely spend eternity together. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** One of the things we really wanted to do was make sure Chloe had her agency. She's not just following Lucifer down to Hell and giving everything up. **She's living her life.** She is doing what she needs to do. _**Then, once that life is over**, she gets to live her eternity with the man she loves._ > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://tvline.com/2021/09/13/lucifer-series-finale-explained-deckerstar-separated-for-decades/)** We were able to dramatize what work Chloe needed to do on Earth and how important it was, and really feel that sense that she has unfinished business here and that that is not only OK, it’s beautiful, because **this is a window of time [when she and Lucifer will be apart]**, but they will be together forever. > **[Chris Rafferty (Sep 15, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/180-rafferty609)** We had a real opportunity to take our time **[in the panic room scene]**, because both the characters and the audience want the exact same thing — for this Deckerstar moment to never end. At least, that's what I hope the audience wants. Because **what awaits on the other side IS the end. For Deckerstar, their split.** For the audience, the end of the show. Showrunner Ildy Modrovich says Lucifer and Chloe's relationship is more meaningful _because_ they are painfully separated for decades. > _**Interviewer:** As far what you did do, I have to imagine that at least some “Deckerstar” fans will be saddened that Lucifer and Chloe ended up spending many decades apart. And the introduction of the Rory character very specifically dictated that outcome. Talk about your decision to commit to such a bittersweet set of circumstances._ > > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 13, 2021):](https://tvline.com/2021/09/13/lucifer-series-finale-explained-deckerstar-separated-for-decades/)** When they make the sacrifice together as parents, when Chloe and Lucifer decide, “This is what we have to do for our kid,” that’s *love*. The fact that both of them were making that sacrifice didn’t diminish their love for each other, and hopefully that’s what people will feel. It didn’t break their love or lessen it in any way, it only made it bigger and stronger to us. And **in that final moment, when she knocks on the door in Hell, it’s bigger *because* of that time apart**, weirdly. > > **Interviewer:** What’s **a few decades apart** when you’ll spend eternity together! > > **Ildy Modrovich:** Right! They considered explicitly addressing this concept, but decided against it: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 25, 2021):](https://scifivision.com/interviews/6298-exclusive-ildy-modrovich-discusses-the-whys-what-ifs-of-lucifer-season-6)** **We went back and forth on [the idea of Lucifer seeing Chloe after he went to Hell].** We realized that if we're talking about time travel, there's a paradoxical element to it. **We could get around it, but** we felt like the beauty, or the identifiable, emotional thing that we wanted to convey is how you sacrifice as a parent for your kids, and that's a beautiful, bittersweet thing. Modrovich contradicts herself at least once, though: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** But even knowing that they’d be able to be together, of course didn’t make it easy **to be apart for the rest of Chloe’s mortal life** as well as for Rory’s childhood. But I think that reflects the sacrifices so many parents make for their children and for each other -- and that’s the bittersweet beauty of Lucifer and Chloe’s choice. All of THAT said, **I like to imagine that they were able to slip a message to each other now and then. And yeah, as long as he didn’t intervene and mess with the time loop… I do picture Lucifer keeping a loving watch over his ladies _from afar_.** And writer Mike Costa has said it's Joe Henderson's "headcanon" that Lucifer visits: > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** I feel comfortable saying this, because I’ve heard Joe say it in interviews, maybe Ildy as well, but definitely Joe, that’s what Lucifer did. Joe’s like, ‘In my own head canon, that’s what he did.’ Lucifer would pop up and visit Chloe, and be there, and just not be there when Rory was there. Or when Rory’s playing her first soccer game, and Lucifer’s there across the field watching, but she doesn’t see him. So, that is definitely a possibility. We don’t explicitly say it in the show, but according to the show runner, yes. --- ### Q: Why didn't the showrunners want Deckerstar to be together during Chloe's life? For the record, some of the team wanted a happier ending: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.etonline.com/lucifer-bosses-break-down-that-emotional-series-finale-171668)** I mean, [the writers] clashed on it. Some wanted almost more of a straight ahead happy ending... But there was fear Lucifer and Chloe being together during Chloe's life would be "sappy," and so Deckerstar's separation was part of the "balance" of "dark and light." The team felt they gave the audience what they "needed," but not necessarily what they wanted. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.etonline.com/lucifer-bosses-break-down-that-emotional-series-finale-171668)** [None of us wanted it to] be sappy because that wasn't our show. Our show was this balance hopefully of dark and light and not having everything be perfect, but finding the beauty and the love in it. So I think we found it. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 12, 2021):](https://ew.com/tv/lucifer-stars-tom-ellis-lauren-german-break-down-the-bittersweet-series-finale/)** We just really wanted to give the fans a satisfying ending, but not a syrupy, sicky sweet, like, "Oh, everybody's happy and everything's perfect," because that's not our show. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** One of the things I'm very happy with -- and I'm curious to see how fans react to it -- is it's a bittersweet ending. It does end where you want it to end and it was very important to us to always give fans and ourselves not necessarily what we want, but what we need. > **[Tom Ellis (Sep 14, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-heartbreaking-finale-necessary/)** We didn't want to do an end to show where the audience have their cake and eat it and then had some more cake and then more cake after that. It just didn't feel right. At least some of this direction likely comes from Ildy Modrovich, who thinks the best romance has terror and pain: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Nov 24, 2021):](https://filmmakermagazine.com/112595-partners-til-the-end-lucifer-showrunners-ildy-modrovich-and-joe-henderson/)** [The best romantic] moments [are] full of conflict and angst where one of both parties involved are terrified—because, you know, that’s romance... Lucifer has that painful space that I like romance to live in. --- # On Time Travel ### Q: Why is there time travel in S6 of _Lucifer_? It was a "means to an end" to force child abandonment so Lucifer could "be in his dad's shoes." > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 12, 2021):](https://collider.com/lucifer-season-6-showrunners-interview-netflix-original-ending/)** We didn't set off like "I think we'll tell a time travel story for Season 6." That was a means to an end, which is the only way personally, it could have been a time travel story — because they break my head. **We knew we wanted Lucifer to be in his dad's shoes**, because it was the final chapter, but then, how does it feel to be on the other end of an experience and to be the one causing the pain? And so **we just had to get his adult child into our show, somehow**. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** One of the earliest discoveries [in our plotting the time travel] was us asking, "What if she comes back and says Lucifer abandoned her? Why would you ever do that? Is there any reason to ever do that?" > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 25, 2021):](https://scifivision.com/interviews/6298-exclusive-ildy-modrovich-discusses-the-whys-what-ifs-of-lucifer-season-6)** **[We wanted to] explore** what it would be like for [Lucifer] to be the father, for him to be the one that did **the abandoning. We realized, “Okay, let's have a kid.” Then, we also thought, “Well, it's much more fun…[and] way more juicy and emotional if it's Lucifer and Chloe (Lauren German)'s kid. So, how do you do that?** How do you manage that? Then, you know, babies just aren't that interesting. They're not that great. They're not good conversationalists for the most part. So, we knew, again, if we wanted to really get the most drama out of it, it would be an adult. And thankfully this wacky show of ours, we can make up things like [that]; we can do things like time travel. And when we realized Rory would be half angel, that meant she [could] technically have the ability to self-actualize something, and it came together after that. If you'd like to read more about the time travel in the show and how it reflects and affects the main characters, there is an analysis of the loop available on AO3: _[Poor unfortunate (lost) soul](https://archiveofourown.org/works/39666597)_ by [annsun](https://archiveofourown.org/users/annsun/pseuds/annsun). --- ### Q: Why does Rory travel time? Because she's angry that Lucifer isn't there for her and Chloe. She says it "ruined her life." Her rage and desire to kill him makes her self-actualize the ability to travel time. We don't know why she lands where she does in time. _From "The Murder of Lucifer Morningstar" (06x05):_ > **Rory:** Well, I don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't be here if you hadn't [abandoned me]. > **Lucifer:** What does that mean? > **Rory:** Before I traveled here, I was... I... I was going through something big. And I thought... I felt like, if you were ever going to finally show up after being gone my whole life, it would be in that moment. But you didn't. And then I felt this rush of pure rage. And then I was here. > **Chloe:** So you self-actualized. > **Lucifer:** You manifested the ability to travel back in time, because... > **Rory:** Because of how much I hate you, yeah. I told you I wanted to kill you. Apparently so much that I traveled through time to do it. She travels back to the future / her present when she stops feeling angry. In the finale she says, "I'm going back... I was so angry before, but I... I'm not angry anymore." In canon, Lucifer and Chloe agree to preserve Rory's anger and pain to keep the loop intact. --- ### Q: What kind of time travel does S6 of _Lucifer_ use? <div style="float: right;margin-left: 30px;"><a href="https://archiveofourown.org/works/43037013" title="Click to see full size"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/HKxPTMk.png" alt="Lucifer S6 Time Travel without multiverses" style="margin-bottom:6px; max-width:300px;" width="100%"></a><br><a href="https://archiveofourown.org/works/43037013" title="Click to see full size">Click to enlarge.</a></div> In interviews, showrunner Joe Henderson calls their time travel a "closed loop." > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 10, 2021):](https://variety.com/2021/tv/features/lucifer-final-season-tom-ellis-lauren-german-time-travel-twist-1235059917/)** So [it’s a] **closed loop paradox**, very simple: she came back, she was here, she goes back to the future, **it always happened**. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** Our show is not about time travel, so the question became: how do we use time travel but not have it distract from the story? That's when we came up with the **closed-loop paradox**, which is just us being, "Let's just keep it simple. **This has always happened.** Let's lean into the mystery of why." Closed loop time travel has multiple names, including **causal loop**, **bootstrap paradox**, and **predestination paradox**. Here's how the paradox works: * We like to think of time as moving in a straight line, with a past that affects the present, and a present that affects the future. * In a bootstrap paradox, time does NOT move in a straight line, but in an infinitely repeating loop. It circles back on itself, with the past affecting the future but _also_ the future affecting the past. * Information, objects, and/or people can become caught in these theoretical loops. * **Hell loops could very well be thought of as closed loops.** Whether free will can coincide with these loops depends entirely on the absence or existence of multiple universes. **See [here](https://archiveofourown.org/works/43037013) for _Lucifer_ S6 time travel visualizations.** _Want to think more on this form of time travel?_ - Video: [The Bootstrap Paradox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp5VjZ3uhMc) - Article: [Time Travel & the Predestination Paradox Explained](https://www.astronomytrek.com/time-travel-the-predestination-paradox-explained/) - Article: [The Bootstrap Paradox: Why Isn’t Our Universe Overrun with Time Travelers?](https://medium.com/whiteboard-to-infinity/the-bootstrap-paradox-4db69dbc2932) - Wiki: [Causal loop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop) - Other media: [Robert Heinlein's "By His Bootstraps"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_His_Bootstraps), [_12 Monkeys_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3148266/), [_Arrival_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543164/), [_Dark_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5753856/), [_Russian Doll_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7520794/) --- ### Q: _Is_ the time travel in S6 of _Lucifer_ actually a closed loop? Yes and no? Showrunner Ildy Modrovich has talked about what the characters could do "at the end of the paradox." The problem is closed loop / bootstrap paradoxes are infinite processes. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.tvguide.com/news/lucifer-bosses-break-down-deckerstars-final-scene-a-resounding-happy-ending-just-felt-wrong/)** I guess [Lucifer] only [has] to be [in Hell] until they catch up to the end of the paradox. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** Well, once the time loop is complete… At the end of S6, the paradox ends for _one version_ of Rory, but they didn't break the loop; they preserved it. [Assuming multiverses](https://hackmd.io/@matchstickdolly/lucifer-s6-faq#Q-Are-there-multiverses-in-Lucifer-If-so-what-do-they-mean-for-free-will-in-S6%E2%80%99s-closed-loop-paradox), it will keep repeating for other versions of them so long as they preserve the loop. That said, judging by canon and interviews, it's safe to say no one—including the showrunners—knows how closed the loop is in S6 of _Lucifer_ or if there are multiverses. There is too little world-building to know. --- ### Q: Did Lucifer's Dad set the time loop in motion? <img src="https://i.imgur.com/Pz4Heky.jpg" alt="God's planning face" style="float:right;margin-left:10px;max-width:300px;" width="100%">A core concept of the bootstrap paradox is that it is difficult if not impossible to determine the origin of the time loop (and sometimes whether there's any end). But in universes where there is an all-knowing god or a character with similar foreknowledge, it is possible that figure set the loop into motion. > **Lucifer:** Back to your mysterious ways already. > **Dad:** All part of my plan. > **Lucifer:** Plan. How much of this was your plan? > **Dad:** [chuckles] Sometimes the showrunners like to think of God an imperfect father who is trying to do "the best things" for his children by manipulating them. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 11, 2021):](https://www.thewrap.com/lucifer-time-loop-explained-ending-changed-series-finale-rory-chloe-daughter-creators/)** And the sacrifices that we have to make as parents and that it might be painful for you, but if it is the best thing for your kid, it’s worth it. And I think that’s something that Lucifer learned, that that’s what his dad was doing, that’s what God was doing. It might have been in kind of a screwed up way a lot of times. But that’s what we kind of learn in Season 5, **God did things for a reason. He did them because they were the best things for his kids.** As far back as 2016, Joe Henderson was claiming everything was God's plan: > **[Joe Henderson (Nov 30, 2016):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2016/lucifer-joe-henderson-and-ildy-modrovich-on-season-2-exclusive-interview/)** So to an extent, [God and Goddess] have their own flaws and their own games they play, despite them being omnipotent, or, you could argue, their flaws are actually part of their long-term omnipotent games, because **God is flawless, so any mistake he makes is actually part of his plan**. You get into that whole crazy but fascinating game. *Was God (and later AmenaGod) capable of planning out Lucifer's return to Hell via Rory and the time loop? In theory, yes.* - We know God in canon has all the omnis. He is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present. He is able to see and communicate with every realm, including Hell. - God set Chloe in Lucifer's path, which took decades of foreknowledge, including knowing Lucifer would vacation in L.A. There is no reason to assume he wouldn't have foreknowledge about Rory, as well, and Lucifer himself believes his "calling" was part of God's plan. - In S5, God is able to kill Dan and reverse his death, says He knows what everyone is going to do and say, and that He controlled the *amount* of free will His children had. - Rory comes from a future under AmenaGod. Assuming he is as powerful as his father, he has control over time and space and could fix the time loop Himself. Also worth remembering Amenadiel has a history of knowing how to interact with time. - In [a June 2022 interview](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-spiritual-side-of-the-series-exclusive-interview-part-5/), **writer Mike Costa confirms Amenadiel has all the omnis and "can do anything."** But He doesn't fix the time loop or otherwise help Lucifer and his family. --- ### Q: Do the characters have free will in S6? <img src="https://i.imgur.com/51yWlfx.png" style="float:right;width:400px;margin-left:16px;margin-bottom:2px;max-width: 400px;" width="100%">By default, bootstrap paradoxes call into question the existence of free will and choice, with many determining there is none as part of [fatalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism). Multiverses can solve this problem, in theory (see question below), but not in the way they handle the loop in S6. **As a bootstrap paradox, the characters may not be able to break the loop at all.** Even if they do have free will, showrunner Joe Henderson believes repeating the cycle is about accepting what has happened because all the pain "is there for a reason." > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 12, 2021):](https://collider.com/lucifer-season-6-showrunners-interview-netflix-original-ending/)** ...we talked so much about choice versus free will, we talked about, well, let's see, can we just choose to break this loop? What would happen? And **the more important theme was the relatable one, which was, despite all the crap we go through in our lives, you got to look at it and go, "that made me, that made me who I am." And if you get to the point where you love yourself, which, Rory does, and Lucifer does, you can't say, I wish that didn't happen now. You can't go back and go, I don't want that. Now you embrace the bad with the good.** That's our whole show, that the dark side and the light side. It's all there for a reason. And there's a balance there. So that became the most important thing we wanted to say. A year later, Ildy further confirms this was their messaging. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 13, 2022):](https://screenrant.com/lucifer-season-6-joe-henderson-ildy-modrovich-interview/)** It's funny, also, like Lucifer, Rory also discovered the same thing that her dad did, in other words, that, **"I wouldn't take away whatever pain I've gone through in my life, because it made me who I am." That's what Lucifer realized, and that he actually had a gift because of it**, because he understood what it meant to be broken and he can help other broken people, souls, and Rory realized at the end, "Wait, I don't want to change who I am either, so I don't want to change anything." She had the ability to look back and have 20-20 [hindsight]. Not all of us have that, but it's a good thing to remember, **as we're going through shit in our lives that, you know what? All right. This sucks right now, but it is making me all those corny things people say, stronger, better, wiser, but it's true.** #### Fate is contrary to free will. Notably, the show takes a hard turn toward the concept starting in S5. Mentions of "fate" throughout the seasons: * **S1:** The word "fate" shows up _once_ in a "cruel twist of fate" joke. * **S2:** The word "fate" shows up _three_ times, twice in jokes, and once when Chloe says in "Weaponizer" (02x05), "You know, I don’t believe in fate. And I don’t believe in bad luck." * **S3:** "Fate" shows up _once_ in "City of Angels" (03x11), when Lucifer says, "Why am I still trying to please Father? Eons spent condemned to my fate in Hell, and yet I’m still trying to seek His approval. Still playing a part in His play. Well, no more, brother." * **S4:** It shows up _once_ in "Expire Erect" (04x05), when Eve says to Amenadiel, "You’re the one who couldn’t wait to tell everybody up there how all of God’s children create their own fate. How we decide where we belong." * **S5:** Something shifts in S5, as the word shows up _five_ times. * In "Diablo" (05x03), Lucifer says to Linda, "I worry that this 'not having any free will and being a puppet of fate' thing may have knocked the detective off her stride." Someone says it during the case, and Chloe also says, "Yeah, must be, um...terrible to not control your own fate." * Jed says it in "BlueBallz" (05x06) about seeing Chloe again: "You know, maybe this is fate." * **S6:** This is where the show changes entirely. The word "fate" appears _thirteen_ times. * In "The Murder of Lucifer Morningstar" (06x05), Lucifer says to Chloe, "We're playing right into fate's hands here." He's right. They are. * In "My Best Fiend's Wedding" (06x07), Rory says, "They keep asking me about their fate, and I can't tell them anything. I mean, what if I say something that messes with the future?" This is strange, given she's never time traveled before to know its rules and she dislikes her future. * It's in a joke in "Save the Devil, Save the world" (06x08). * In "Goodbye, Lucifer" (06x09), the word "fate" appears _seven_ times. These are the main points: * Chloe says to Lucifer, "If you don't even believe that you have a choice, fate automatically wins." Rory follows with "Fate's a bitch." * Lucifer asks Linda, "Doctor, do you believe in free will or fate?" She replies, "Well, I definitely believe we make our own decisions. Therapy kind of relies on it." He says, "So, Team Free Will?" She says, "Yes, but that being said, I've never met someone from the future before. __**I mean, it kind of makes you think. If Rory knows what we do before we do it, is it set in stone? If so, are we really choosing to do it? Are we really choosing anything?**__" This goes on a bit. Lucifer later says, "Chloe and Rory are arguing. __Chloe thinks that I can change my fate. Rory says that I cannot.__" * In "Partners 'Til the End" (06x10), they have Le Mec say, "Lucifer Morningstar will come here, and he will never leave. Tonight, fate is on my side." He both is and isn't right because that event ("saving" Rory from her devil face) is basically what ensures Lucifer goes to Hell for all eternity. --- ### Q: Are there multiverses in _Lucifer_? If so, what do they mean for free will in S6's closed loop paradox? <div style="float: right;margin-left: 30px;"><a href="https://archiveofourown.org/works/43037013" title="Click to see full size"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/P4UN9LV.png" alt="Lucifer S6 Time Travel without multiverses" style="margin-bottom:6px; max-width:260px;" width="100%"></a><br><a href="https://archiveofourown.org/works/43037013" title="Click to see full size">Click to enlarge.</a></div> **Evidence for multiverses:** * Once Upon a Time (03x26) * Uriel's gift for following/affecting patterns in the universe ("Uriel can play with patterns. He makes a butterfly flap its wings and a housewife gets chlamydia."), as well as his surprise when Lucifer made an unexpected choice ("I didn't see that coming."). * Mum's universe * Gabriel's gift to send messages and visit other universes that otherwise cannot communicate together. **Evidence against:** * The showrunners [don't consider OUAT canon, merely an AU](https://tvline.com/2019/05/27/lucifer-season-4-bonus-episodes-where-do-they-fit/). * There is no suggestion of multiple Heavens/Hells, but it's also possible other universes aren't made to have them. **Either way, multiverses don't solve the characters' free will problem:** * Their presence means adult!Rory is not making a decision for herself, but rather taking choice *away from* baby!Rory (another version of herself). * Multiverses would also heavily imply OUAT is part of canon, rather than an alternate universe. This could lend credence to everything, including the time loop, being part of God's plan; multiverses and loops within loops, all to find the perfect way to control Lucifer and his behavior. --- # On Lucifer ### Q: Why did the showrunners think Lucifer needed to abandon his daughter? This part of the plot and Rory's existence were simply about forcing Lucifer to "understand" God's perspective by making him "become" his Father. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 10, 2021):](https://variety.com/2021/tv/features/lucifer-final-season-tom-ellis-lauren-german-time-travel-twist-1235059917/)** We found this opportunity of **what if Lucifer becomes his own father?** But if he becomes his own father, or feels like he becomes his own father, that means **he has to abandon his child**. And so we were like, “OK well, how could that possibly happen?” And that simple question is what unspooled the entire Rory story. **That was our ending, the very end, the whole time.** > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** The challenge was to find a major obstacle for Lucifer for the Season -- a major story spine. But then as we started talking… **It actually became apparent that the final chapter in the story of a wayward son who was mad at his father for abandoning him would be for HIM to become the one doing the abandoning. We knew we had a lot to mine if we put Lucifer in his father’s shoes…** > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 12, 2021):](https://collider.com/lucifer-season-6-showrunners-interview-netflix-original-ending/)** **We told this story of Lucifer understanding his father's perspective, understanding that his father was actually trying to do what was right by him.** And then to sort of it becoming his father or about to become his father. And then it became the question of, okay, well, what if he did to his child, what he felt his father did to him? > > Suddenly you have a whole new story, this idea of, okay, well, **what if God abandoned you, what if you again abandoned your child?** And then it became the question of, well, how would that happen? And that story, that's fun. And then we were just running downhill because that's an exciting mystery for Lucifer to solve, for us to solve. And it gave us so much story. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://screenrant.com/lucifer-season-6-joe-henderson-ildy-modrovich-interview/)** To me, that's the trick of every finale is your main character, from the very beginning, is going to tell you who they are, and in the very beginning, **Lucifer is someone who was mad at his dad for abandoning him, so the ending had to be** him reckoning with **him doing that to his own child**. Like if you look back and go like, "Oh, that's an obvious parallel," but we didn't find it until season 6, because that's where the character finally told us, "Hey, dummies, this is it." > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 25, 2021):](https://scifivision.com/interviews/6298-exclusive-ildy-modrovich-discusses-the-whys-what-ifs-of-lucifer-season-6)** When we first realized we wanted to flip the script a bit on Lucifer and explore what it would be like for him to be the father, for him to be the one that did the abandoning, we realized, “Okay, let's have a kid.” Ildy sees child abandonment as "the final chapter" of Lucifer's "growth": > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.etonline.com/lucifer-bosses-break-down-that-emotional-series-finale-171668)** **The final chapter in his growth** was you might learn something, but then to teach it, you know what I mean? It's sort of like learning a language. You're like, OK. I think. But then to actually speak it is a whole other thing. And so I think that was what we realized we hadn't done with Lucifer. That **Lucifer hadn't been with the roles reversed, been the one who has abandoned, not the one who has been abandoned**. And of course we had to figure out, how do we do that? Because he would never do that intentionally, but still **get that feeling of, wow, I hurt somebody, so that's how the season came to be.** And we were so excited. We were like, we rule, we were so happy. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 12, 2021):](https://ew.com/tv/lucifer-stars-tom-ellis-lauren-german-break-down-the-bittersweet-series-finale/)** We realized that the final chapter was actually to reverse the roles to have Lucifer to know what it feels like to be the one that abandoned [a child], and how that felt to have somebody, a child, looking at him going, "You left me." Practically, the writers chose this because it was "too brain-destroying" to do anything else. > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** [Lucifer breaking the loop] was on the table for a while. We talked about it quite a bit. Like, ‘Okay, so he makes a different choice.’ But ultimately, **we decided that it’s just too confusing and too strange and brain-destroying if he doesn’t abandon her** the way she said he does to create this time loop. So, if he has to abandon her, why would he? And it really came down to, ‘She would have to tell him to do it. It would have to be her choice, because that’s the only way he would do it.’ So, that’s how we came to that idea... It was a problem that we didn’t solve until very late in the season. --- ### Q: Since when has Lucifer wanted a "calling"? Since "Save the Devil, Save the World" (06x08). He doesn't profess to want or have need of one otherwise. > **Lucifer:** I mean, I think, deep down, I've... I've always known it wasn't really my calling. I've no idea what my calling is, but I do know it's not me being God. It's also discussed in "Goodbye, Lucifer" (06x09): > **Lucifer:** I've realized that being God is... It's just not my calling. > **Amenadiel:** Excuse me, what? What do you mean, "just not your calling"? > **Lucifer:** [Being God] truly is your calling, isn't it? > **Amenadiel:** Something is bothering you. And I... I think I know what it is. Don't worry, Luci. You'll find your calling, too. I have faith in you. Meanwhile, we know Lucifer's greatest desire from the final episode is actually to stay with his family: > **Le Mec:** What is it you desire? > **Lucifer:** To see my daughter grow up. To be there for her when she needs me the most. To be the father she deserves. So, now you know. If you kill me and me alone, you won't add to your torture 'cause, well, I'm far from innocent. Let's be honest, Vincent. And you'll get what you want. 'Cause I will suffer an unimaginable pain. The pain of leaving behind the ones I love. My daughter. Chloe. And my family. --- ### Q: Why isn't Lucifer God in S6? Basically, it's a major retcon to accommodate the original 5B ending that was moved to S6. The showrunners never intended for Lucifer to be God. They always intended for him to separate from Chloe during her life and be a therapist in Hell as part of his "calling." However, Lucifer _was_ God at the end of 5B. Sitting on the throne in Heaven was not required for godhood in 5B or Michael would have sat on the throne—and Lucifer would not have even been capable of doing so prior to reviving Chloe. At the end of 5B, Lucifer saw himself as God ("Oh my Me"), and the showrunners clearly saw him as God leading into S6, as well. > _**Interviewer:** Now that **we know Lucifer is God by the end of the season**, was that a major plot you wanted to explore when you were given a sixth season? And how will it affect Deckerstar as well as the other characters?_ > > **[Ildy Modrovich (May 29, 2021):](https://fandomlair.com/2021/05/29/lucifer-showrunners-ildy-modrovich-and-joe-henderson-talk-deckerstar-final-goodbyes-and-blueberry-pies/)** Definitely. We knew **exploring Lucifer as God would be a major part of Season 6** – but the REALLY interesting part are always the obstacles that might prevent Lucifer from just riding off into the proverbial sunset. And the main obstacle for Lucifer is usually always Lucifer. He’s his own worst enemy. And whenever Lucifer’s at unrest, yep… his relationship with those around him tend to be a mess too. But an entertaining mess, hopefully. In a behind the scenes clip of [showrunner Joe Henderson acting out the final scenes of 5B](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p4ylW5g4x4), he refers to Lucifer as "now" being "God." --- ### Q: Why does Lucifer become a therapist? It's certainly not what he was training for with Chloe, is it? The simple answer is it's what the showrunners wanted him to become, as of S5. It may also be notable that [showrunner Joe Henderson's mother was a prison therapist](https://filmmakermagazine.com/112595-partners-til-the-end-lucifer-showrunners-ildy-modrovich-and-joe-henderson/). --- ### Q: Is there an intentional parallel to suicide with Lucifer's behavior in 06x09? It's unintentional, but Chris Rafferty, who wrote the episode, [frames](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/180-rafferty609) 06x09 as "Lucifer's Last Day" and thinks of it as a mirror to the audience knowing and grieving the show's end. So, make of those things what you will. Other viewers have noted the accidental suicide parallel. Here's a Reddit thread on it: [Did they mean for the [redacted] parallel?](https://www.reddit.com/r/lucifer/comments/sli48l/did_the_mean_for_the_redacted_parallel/) --- # On Chloe ### Q: How did Chloe become pregnant? We don't know. - It could be that Amenadiel's rod imparted celestial qualities onto Chloe, allowing her to be more compatible with Lucifer for conception to occur. - It could also be that Lucifer self-actualized himself to be more compatible with Chloe for conception to occur. This, of course, implies he subconsciously wanted a child. Neither scenario leaves much room for freedom of (conscious) choice, and no, we have no way of knowing why both characters stopped using birth control. It's never mentioned. --- ### Q: Does Chloe have to lie and traumatize Rory to preserve the loop? Maybe, maybe not. Rory says she wants to re-experience the time loop, so Rory has to be angry enough at Chloe's deathbed to travel back in time. This means her anger and hatred must be preserved. * If there is free will, Chloe may have to orchestrate and encourage Rory's hatred for Lucifer to preserve the time loop. Remember, Rory has to be angry enough to time travel. * If there is NO free will, as there often isn't in predestination paradoxes, Rory's hatred/anger for Lucifer is inevitable and could be partly or entirely out of Chloe's hands. No matter what, Chloe and Lucifer are aware of Rory's future and either can't or won't prevent their child's pain. The in-show reasoning for this is simply that Rory asks them to preserve her trauma, and they agree to do so. Writer Mike Costa says Chloe lies and manipulates Rory, and Lucifer would also work to deceive her, all to preserve the loop: > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** Chloe could have told her the truth right away, because Chloe knew what happened, but she didn’t. And so, I think what had to be implied there was she also said, ‘Your father is just gone. He’s not in Hell.’ And if Rory ever went down there to look, obviously, there was some way that Lucifer was able to appear to not be there. But mostly, I think it’s Chloe saying, ‘Yeah, your dad’s not there. He’s just gone. And I don’t know where he is.’ Because that’s what she would have to say. --- # On Trixie ### Q: Where is Trixie?! [Scarlett Estevez](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5411494/) had scheduling conflicts in the later seasons of _Lucifer_. Pre-vaccine covid was also affecting S6's filming. --- ### Q: Why doesn't Lucifer say goodbye to Trixie? Showrunner Joe Henderson has said a goodbye between these two characters would have been "redundant." > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** It kept butting up against [her goodbye] with Dan. That's her big goodbye. That's the one that matters and so when you had Lucifer saying goodbye, and Dan saying goodbye, you started to get a bit of redundancy. Whereas with Dan, it's the father she lost. Anything shot with Lucifer is just gonna pale in comparison to that beautiful scene. --- ### Q: Where was Trixie when Chloe died? In-show, there is no explanation. She could be anywhere for any reason or even dead. Beyond the show, showrunner Joe Henderson has said Trixie, Charlie, and others "are in the next room." There is actually a version they filmed where Trixie, Rory, Charlie, and many others are present at Chloe's deathbed, but they decided it was too confusing. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 14, 2021):](https://tvline.com/2021/09/14/lucifer-mystery-final-season-where-was-trixie-in-flash-forward/)** We actually shot a scene where Trixie and some other characters were around Chloe as she lay dying, but it ended up feeling more confusing than emotional. > > You got distracted going, ‘Wait, is that Trixie? Oh, is that other person Charlie, I guess?', as opposed to focusing on the emotion of Rory talking to her mother about the tremendous sacrifice she long ago made, electing to be apart from Lucifer for so long, yet never disclosing why. > > So for people wondering, adult Trixie, Charlie et al are in the next room, because Chloe asked for some privacy to talk to Rory. > **[Ildy Modrovich: (Sep 14, 2021)](https://youtu.be/0VdSOispI9g?t=1335)** Trixie _was_ there in one cut. There was one cut where, you know, age-wise, it was an old Trixie. Trixie would have been, you know, 65, 70, or whatever? And there were other people there. There were also cops from the future, you know, like, around the bed. A BTS shot of this from a [crew member's video](https://youtu.be/bQvCF1kaQPI?t=535): ![](https://i.imgur.com/q813wQm.jpg) --- ### Q: Does Trixie know that Lucifer is the Devil? It's never confirmed in the show. She seems to have a childlike understanding/acceptance of who he is, but it also seems possible that she has or is growing out of it, judging by her anger over his "Florida trip" between S4 and S5. > **God:** Why are you mad at him? > **Trixie:** Well, I- I thought we were friends… but then he just ran off to Florida for months, and he didn't even say goodbye. He always just does whatever he wants. And now… I don't know what he's doing now. But I know it's making my mom really sad. The showrunners have contradictory thoughts on whether Trixie knows the truth: > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** In my headcanon, Trixie finds out the truth, because she has to, to understand her sister and what she’s going through. She never learns the why, but I believe that over the course of Trixie’s journey, she’s learned who Lucifer really is deep down. That means that she believed he must have had a good reason to leave. Which probably annoyed Rory even more. Sisters, what can you do? > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 25, 2021):](https://scifivision.com/interviews/6298-exclusive-ildy-modrovich-discusses-the-whys-what-ifs-of-lucifer-season-6)** Well, we've always kind of felt like Trixie somehow just knew, because Lucifer always says it; he's never hid the fact that he's the devil. He always says, you know, “I'm the devil.” He says that to Trixie in that very first episode, “Lucifer.” “Like the devil?” “Exactly.” You know? I think she's just always been like, “all right,” and there's been no discussion about it. There's been no questioning of it, because she was a kid; she was a little kid, but as she grows, I think it's just something [that’s] like I said, a given to her. > > I think [if Chloe had to talk to her about it, it] probably would have been very short. I think it would have been, “Honey, I need to talk to you about something. Lucifer is -” “The devil?” Trixie would say. “Yes, but I know he said -” “No, I mean, the actual devil,” Trixie would say. “Yes.” [laughs] It would be pretty short. And Trixie would go, “I know, Mom, he told me.” You know, it'd be something very short like that. --- # On Rory ### Q: How old is Rory? In-show, Rory's age is never stated, although she comments that she is "older than she looks" and is clearly interested in a woman in her forties. > **Rory:** In the future I come from, you're on your deathbed, and he's not there. > **Chloe:** I die in twenty years? > **Rory:** Wh... No. Mom, I'm older than I look. Half angel and all that, but that's not the point. According to post-show interviews, the showrunners don't seem to know her age either and give different responses to the question. Chloe is generally stated to be 80-90 years old when she dies. Rory is said to be between 50 and 60 years old. This doesn't quite match up with what's known from canon. * Chloe is born in 1981. Living 80-90 years, she'd die somewhere between 2060 and 2070ish. * That would make Trixie (born 2008) in her 50s or 60s when Chloe dies. * Rory (born 2022) would be in her late 30s to late 40s. Here's what's been said in interviews: > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 14, 2021):](https://youtu.be/0VdSOispI9g?t=3718)** We have two age questions. How old was Rory and how old was Chloe when she died. Chloe was probably, what? We're saying, like, 90? And Rory was probably, uh, you know, in her 50s or 60s, or something. > **[Ildy Modrovich: (Sep 14, 2021)](https://youtu.be/0VdSOispI9g?t=1335)** Trixie _was_ [at Chloe's deathbed] in one cut. There was one cut where, you know, age-wise, it was an old Trixie. Trixie would have been, you know, 65, 70, or whatever? It's possible Rory wasn't always supposed to be "older than she looked," as evidenced by how a "twenty-year time jump" has been floated by some others involved in the show. > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** [When planning S6,] either Joe or both [he and Ildy] came up with the idea that there was going to be Rory, and she’s going to be their daughter, and she necessarily would have to be from the future, because we’re not going to do a **twenty-year time jump**, but then we worked out the time travel idea. --- ### Q: How did Le Mec find Rory and capture her? We don't know how Le Mec knew where Rory was or how he, as a penniless man on the run, managed to get fellow mercenaries to help him kidnap her. In 06x10, we see tranquilizers in use, though! --- ### Q: Why doesn't Rory try to find Lucifer in Hell? In the season, we don't know. It's a plot hole. But writer Mike Costa has said Chloe lies and manipulates Rory away from visiting Hell, and Lucifer would also work to deceive her if she visited. They emotionally manipulate Rory to preserve her confusion and anger—and, therefore, the loop. > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** Chloe could have told her the truth right away, because Chloe knew what happened, but she didn’t. And so, I think what had to be implied there was she also said, ‘Your father is just gone. He’s not in Hell.’ And if Rory ever went down there to look, obviously, there was some way that Lucifer was able to appear to not be there. But mostly, I think it’s Chloe saying, ‘Yeah, your dad’s not there. He’s just gone. And I don’t know where he is.’ Because that’s what she would have to say. --- ### Q: How does Rory know what type of time travel she's caught in? She's never traveled time before, so she shouldn't be certain about how any of it works, should she? And yet she is. No one knows why. --- ### Q: Are Rory and Trixie close as sisters? It's hard to say. We don't see them together and Rory doesn't mention much about her sister's future, other than to say Trixie, who she calls T, "spikes punch" and "hides chocolate." Some dialogue suggests they don't know each other very well and that Trixie may have actively kept secrets from Rory. _"A Lot Dirtier Than That" (06x06):_ > **Rory:** Uh, where's T? > **Chloe:** "T"? Oh, right! "Trixie." Yeah, of course. I forget that you two know each other really well because you're sisters. She's at science camp for the summer. > **Rory:** Nerd. [opening up Trixie's laptop] Could always count on my big sis for good porn, though. > **Chloe:** What? > **Rory:** Kidding. The only thing T hides is chocolate. _"My Best Fiend's Wedding" (06x07):_ > **Rory:** 'Fess up, T. You spiked the punch, didn't you? > **Trixie:** Huh? > **Rory:** Never mind. I'm about four years too early. I'm Rory. Uh, Lucifer and Chloe's friend. > **Trixie:** Cool. I'm Trixie. Maze's best friend. > **Rory:** I thought Lucifer was Maze's best friend. > **Trixie:** No way. I love Lucifer, but no way. > **Rory:** You love him, huh? Why? > **Trixie:** 'Cause he's funny and weird and really bad at board games. > **Rory:** Lucifer plays board games? > **Trixie:** At least once a week. On game night. > **Rory:** You guys have a game night? You... never told me that. --- ### Q: How/why does Rory begin to self-actualize a devil face when she's never seen one before? We don't know. --- ### Q: Why are Rory's wings red blades? The in-show answer: > **Chloe:** I hope that [the way your wings are don't suggest that you felt] you had to fight or protect yourself when you were younger. As your mom, I hope that I always made you feel safe. > **Rory:** I don't have these wings because of something you did wrong. I have them because of something you did right. I mean, all my life, I watched you stand up for justice. I love these badass wings 'cause they remind me of the person I admire most. My mom. > **Chloe:** Really? > **Rory:** Really. These wings are like, they're one of a million wonderful, powerful things that you gave me. The showrunners thought they were "cool" and "punk." > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/ )** I think Ildy [Modrovich] was the first out with the color. She was like, "I love the idea of pink. I don't think that has to be just because she's female. It doesn't mean that's not awesome. But let's also make it awesome! Let's have it reflect her." I was talking about a metallic, _X-Men_'s Archangel-like look. We started just blend those two ideas together. Suddenly, it was like, "Oh, this is cool. This is punk." Apparently Rory's feathers are blades because she thinks she's strong and wants to help people. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/ )** "Why does she look like a weapon?" It took us a little bit to find that it's because she admires Chloe and her strength. It's not a weapon. It's because: "I'm strong. I want to be able to help people like my mom." --- # On Deckerstar in Hell / Post-S6 Events ### Q: Do Lucifer and Chloe work as detectives in the Hell loops? Decide for yourself. While we see Lucifer and Chloe work in Jimmy Barnes' loop in 06x03, the showrunners' primary intention was for Lucifer to become a therapist, not a detective. We don't really know what Chloe does in Hell or if, as a soul, she has any power or control over any of Hell's mechanisms. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** We wanted fans to look back and realize we’d given them a template to picture their future lives together (and write fan fiction for!) Lucifer and Chloe are sitting in Dr. Linda’s office, asking questions, then also doing their own form of detective work in Hell Loops to get to the bottom of peoples’ emotional issues and help them make their way up north. > **[Mike Costa (Jan 21, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-talks-about-the-end-of-the-series-exclusive-interview-part-1/)** One writers’ room suggestion was that Lucifer and Chloe, now working from Hell, essentially go back to being detectives to try to figure out what the people in Hell needed in order to stop feeling guilty so that they could ascend. “I think it’s such a great, organic idea to come out of the concept of Lucifer and Chloe in Hell. That definitely was something that someone suggested. > > And then another idea was, ‘Should we just throw away this whole thing, and come up with something brand-new that we work towards?’ We talked about a lot of things.” [...] So, yes, it was going to end – Season 5, as the final season, was going to end with Lucifer becoming a therapist. --- ### Q: Who is the girl on Lucifer's therapy couch in 06x10? We don't know, but Joe Henderson has joked multiple times that it's Trixie. (It's not, though.) > **[wordballoon (Sep 14, 2021):](https://youtu.be/0VdSOispI9g?t=498)** Adriana wants to know was the woman on the couch with Reese and Le Mec, uh, the mean girl from the pilot? > **Joe Henderson:** I love this theory. I saw this popping up over the weekend. The thinking was we wanted someone new, someone from the past, and then someone from the recent past to give a sense that Lucifer wasn't just helping people he knew, but was helping anyone. But, I mean, Ildy, you wrote that scene, so you tell me. > **Ildy Modrovich:** [jokingly] Uh, yes. Um, no, honestly, that is a fantastic theory, and we did know, Joe and I were like, 'People are gonna have thoughts about who that is, and they're gonna speculate and go, "I wonder if that means there's gonna be a season seven about the girl on the couch."' > **Joe Henderson:** Here's the truth: It's Trixie. [laughs] It's not Trixie. --- ### Q: Are Lucifer and Chloe in Hell FOREVER? Mostly, yeah? > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.tvguide.com/news/lucifer-bosses-break-down-deckerstars-final-scene-a-resounding-happy-ending-just-felt-wrong/)** I think AmenaGod is in Heaven while Lucifer and Chloe are in Hell for the most part. Chloe is dependent on others to move between realms: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** Well, once the time loop is complete… and Chloe dies, there’s certainly NO reason why Lucifer has to be confined to Hell. And the same would be true for Chloe. In fact, she wouldn’t even have to rely on Amenadiel for a lift up to the Silver City -- she’s got Lucifer and Rory to fly her up. So sure… I see them all meeting in the cotton candy room Lee mentioned. Or, there’s probably even a Lux up there where they can ALL hang out together. I hear whiskey goes well with waffles. > **[Mike Costa (Jun 28, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-the-ramifications-of-rory-exclusive-interview-part-6/)** I’m going to say yes [Chloe can visit Trixie in Heaven when she dies], because Chloe is in Hell by choice. And also, Amenadiel can just move her around. --- # Original 5B Ending vs. S6 Ending _This section covers what showrunners/writers have revealed in interviews changed when they were suddenly given a sixth season while writing 5B._ ### Mostly, the endings are the same. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.neuralcluster.net/index.php/tv-reviews/item/179-ildy-joe)** The main things we took from our old Season 5 ending into Season 6 were our individual characters end points. We knew we wanted Lucifer to turn Hell into a rehab center; for Chloe to become the Lieutenant; for Amenadiel to become God; for Maze and Eve to ride off into the sunset to be bounty hunters together; for Linda to continue to help people as the awesome therapist she is and to be a loving mom to both Charlie and an adult Adriana; for Ella to find out the truth and find a good dude for a change; for Dan to reunite with Charlotte in Heaven; and of course, for Lucifer and Chloe to be together in Hell. So all of that stayed the same -- how we GOT there just became a lot more detailed, obviously. > **[Mike Costa (Jan 21, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-talks-about-the-end-of-the-series-exclusive-interview-part-1/)** The ending that you see in Season 6 was essentially the ending that we had indeed planned for Season 5. Where all of the characters end up, that is exactly what we had planned when we were going to end it in Season 5... > > [I believe it was Ildy Modrovich who ultimately said,] ‘Listen. Some of these characters are making such big decisions in what’s essentially seven pages of a script, it’s just not enough time. I’m realizing that Lucifer becomes God, and then almost right away, he decides that he shouldn’t be God, and that he should go to Hell instead. It’s just happening so fast that actually getting another season is very, very helpful'... > > The rest of Season 6 was essentially, as I said, we were going to take where all the characters were going to end up anyway, and just expand that over a season. So, yes, it was going to end – Season 5, as the final season, was going to end with Lucifer becoming a therapist. Actually, specifically, it was going to end in the exact same moment of Chloe arriving, Lucifer saying hello, bringing her in, and closing the door. That was the end of the show from when we first ‘knew’ that Season 5 was the last season. ### Lucifer and Chloe still would have separated. During a panel at Starfury's Lux 2 convention, it was revealed Lucifer and Chloe still would have broken up due to circumstances, just as they did in S4 and S6. Their reason in the original 5B ending would have been that Chloe still had work to do. [![](https://i.imgur.com/uiA1O3w.png)](https://twitter.com/life_lover77/status/1626921649772560384) ### Dan (maybe) would not have gone to Heaven? Showrunner Ildy Modrovich says Dan would have gone to Heaven in the montage of 5B's ending: > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 13, 2021):](https://tvline.com/2021/09/13/lucifer-series-finale-explained-deckerstar-separated-for-decades/)** once we had done Season 6, we realized, “Oh my gosh, if we had ended at Season 5 we would have missed the intimate kind of farewell that we got to tell in this final season.” Things like Dan’s (Kevin Alejandro) journey — in that final act of Season 5, he was going to go from Hell to Heaven, and instead we got to live in Purgatory with him for 10 episodes. Producer Mike Costa says Dan would have stayed in Hell in 5B: > **[Mike Costa (Jan 21, 2022):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2022/lucifer-co-executive-producer-and-writer-mike-costa-on-season-6-character-motivations-exclusive-interview-part-2/)** Had there been no Season 6, Dan would not have gone to Heaven... The original idea was, in that little therapy session [run by Lucifer for souls in Hell in the series finale], Dan was going to be in there. And then you would get the sense that Lucifer’s really working on saving Dan. We actually thought it worked out better that we get to see Dan actually go up to Heaven and everything in Season 6, whereas in the original ending at the end of Season 5, that therapy session is Lucifer and Dan, and maybe a couple other people. We were always throwing ideas of which previous characters that we know are in Hell can we get to see here. But Dan was definitely going to be there. ### Ella would have found out the truth in the montage. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 13, 2021):](https://www.cbr.com/lucifer-showrunner-joe-henderson-season-6-interview/)** Initially, in Season 5's finale, we were going to end with Ella finding out via Charlie's wings [that Celestials exist]. We were gonna have a scene where one of her last moments was finding out the truth. She's babysitting Charlie. They all come home. She's like, "Guys, there's something wrong." And they're like, "What?" And she's holding up Charlie and he's got wings. And they're like, "Ella, we can explain this!" And she's like, "No, I think I've always sort of known. I get it. I know." So that was a little bit of Season 5's DNA... > > We wanted Ella to be the only one that figured it out. Everyone else had it revealed to them, or was surprised by it, or was manipulated into discovering it. But Ella is our forensic scientist. It felt right for her to follow clues. ### Maze and Eve would have ridden off into the sunset. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 13, 2021):](https://tvline.com/2021/09/13/lucifer-series-finale-explained-deckerstar-separated-for-decades/)** They were going to ride off into the sunset on a motorcycle; that was their final beat in Season 5. --- # On Future _Lucifer_ Content ### Q: Will there be a Season 7? No. The show ends in the far distant future (roughly 2060s-2070s), not to mention in Hell. Moreover, nearly all cast members, showrunners, and writers are working on other shows/movies now. > **[Kevin Alejandro (Jul 23, 2021):](https://www.assignmentx.com/2021/lucifer-kevin-alejandro-digs-deeper-into-the-new-season-of-the-netflix-series-exclusive-interview-part-2/)** Once we got picked up for Season 6, Netflix was like, “Okay, I swear this is it. This is it, I promise.” [laughs] So, we wrapped our heads around that. COVID actually proved to be its own challenge within that whole shooting schedule. By the end of it, we were all proud, and exhausted, and I think all of us were excited to see what the future holds. > **[Tom Ellis (Sep 20, 2021):](https://about.netflix.com/en/news/tom-ellis-answers-all-our-burning-questions-about-lucifers-final-season)** I think in the current format that we know *Lucifer* to be, that's the end of our show. <div style="margin:0 auto;text-align:center;"><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ILMRYlV3yqw" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe></div> --- ### Q: Will there be a movie? Doubtful for the reasons stated above, although Tom Ellis has said he'd "maybe explore" doing a movie in the future. Lauren German joked about it. > **[Lauren German (Sep 11, 2021):](https://www.thewrap.com/lucifer-chloe-ending-rory-deckerstar-tom-ellis-lauren-german-reunion-movie-series-finale/)** My fantasy is that we shoot a _Lucifer_ movie, but in the style of _Naked Gun_ and _Airplane!_ So if we could ask the fans if they are ok with a _Naked Gun_/_Airplane_-style _Lucifer_ movie... But no, I mean, Tom says it so well, how do you say it, muffin? It’s the right time to say goodbye. > **[Tom Ellis (Sep 20, 2021):](https://about.netflix.com/en/news/tom-ellis-answers-all-our-burning-questions-about-lucifers-final-season)** Is there life for this character afterwards? Well, I've said this before, but I'd love to maybe explore the notion of doing a *Lucifer* movie at some point. It's not in the works at the moment, these are just sort of speculative things. It's fair to say a movie is unlikely to happen. --- ### Q: Will there be a spin-off? Doubtful, but possible. The showrunners and Brianna Hildebrand (Rory) have said they are interested in a spin-off. > **[Joe Henderson (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.etonline.com/lucifer-bosses-break-down-that-emotional-series-finale-171668)** Your lips to Warner Brothers’ and Netflix's ears! Spread that word. > **[Ildy Modrovich (Sep 10, 2021):](https://www.etonline.com/lucifer-bosses-break-down-that-emotional-series-finale-171668)** That would be a lovely idea. > **[Brianna Hildebrand (Sep 12, 2021):](https://www.thewrap.com/lucifer-rory-spinoff-brianna-hildebrand-chloe-lucifer-future-daughter-netflix/)** I would definitely be down to do that. I really enjoyed being Lucifer's daughter. It was really fun. Many fans speculate Rory was the showrunners' effort to get a spin-off greenlit.