What is happening? - NeoForged 譯文

--- description: What is happening? - NeoForged 譯文 image: https://neoforged.net/img/logo.svg --- :::info Note: Use [DeepL] to translate to Simplified Chinese and use [zhconvert]() to convert to `Traditional Chinese`. Message Links: [What is happening? - NeoForged][original text] --- 注：使用[DeepL]翻译成简体中文与使用[繁化姬][zhconvert]转换成`繁体中文` 信息连结：[What is happening? - NeoForged][original text] --- 註：使用[DeepL]翻譯成簡體中文與使用[繁化姬][zhconvert]轉換成`繁體中文` 訊息連結：[What is happening? - NeoForged][original text] ::: --- [TOC] --- # English ## What is happening? ### What has happened here? As of July 12th 2023, the discord formerly known as “Forgecord” was rebranded to a new project - NeoForged. NeoForged is a fork of MinecraftForge. Almost all of the original team has joined the new team, with one obvious exception, LexManos (hereby referred to as Lex). This news post will attempt to explain the circumstances leading to this drastic action. It presents the perspective of the new team however, and specifically, my (cpw) perspective and motivations. ### Why did this happen? Firstly, I want to be clear. Attributing this to a single event is to attribute death by a thousand cuts to a single cut. After the latest difficulties in the Minecraft Forge discord, I wanted to understand why Curle felt she needed to resign from the position Lex put her in - namely, leader of the project. She had done an amazing job of organizing the team prior to the promotion to leader, and it was surprising to me that she felt the need to leave so shortly after. The discussion with her opened my eyes to the fact that there had been ongoing difficulties with the team she had spent so much time to build, and Lex was the root of the problem. I want to be clear, Lex has been a problem in the modding community for many, many years. Almost every veteran minecraft modder has had a negative interaction with him over the past 12 years. I have, when able to, tried to steer people to not abandon Forge just because of Lex - defending him in many a private conversation with a frustrated modder who’d just been called a “Cunt” for 1,000th time by Lex, or banned from our online spaces for a trivial transgression like discussing Fabric or coremods. In evaluating the situation I was in, it quickly became clear I could take one of three actions: 1. Do nothing. If I did nothing, I believe we would be watching the slow disintegration of the Forge project. This is why we recruited Curle in the first place - to try and help build a useful team, that would enable Lex to step back from the limelight and community management aspects. Her departure would cement that the Forge team was too toxic to continue to function in a viable capacity, in my opinion. We would have seen more public disputes and abuse, with more modders and community leaders becoming increasingly frustrated. 2. Babysit Lex. In effect, this is what I have been doing, to a more or lesser extent, for the past 10 years. He would not see it that way, but I have been defending Lex to all comers for many many years. I truly thought that if he could stop being so toxic online, we would become successful. 3. Do what we have done - fork the project and start afresh. Note that due to personal physical and mental health issues, I was not well enough to continue with 2 and have rather withdrawn from the community - effectively 1 - because I needed to preserve my health. Lex has argued repeatedly that I had the power to rein him in, but that’s an accident of history and not something that I believe should have been necessary between two adult friends, and if it had killed me - a non-zero likelihood (I am not a young man) - then there would have been no one left anyway. ### We have forked Yes, we have forked the project. Curle and I both agreed this was the best decision for the future of the project and more importantly for the community - I never wanted the money or the power that comes with being leader and we have rather started the process of putting together a simple consitution for the project moving forward, which we will be sharing as time allows. We have had to fork - because many of the core assets are licensed by Lex’s company Forge LLC. It is better for us to fork and rebrand. We will be removing those assets that are part of the MinecraftForge project, as we develop our own brand and styling. Note that this is not a hard fork yet. We remain compatible with existing Forge for the present time. Whether we break that compatilibity in the future is one of many topics of discussion. Some want us to quickly clean up the technical debt, others feel that we should take a more measured approach to that effort. Suffice to say, both opinions have some merit and we encourage discussion and adult debate about what measures are appropriate on what timescales. ### Why did this seem so rushed? We had been in planning and discussion for around 9 days - and had a private discord setup where we could discuss the future direction and do work on initial setup and planning. This was well underway when I received the shock of my life yesterday morning - for who but Lex themselves was in our private discord, reading the backlog. The reasons for this are still unclear, and we’ll likely never know the full extent of what happened, but suffice to say, the cat was definitely out of the bag. Faced with an unknown quantity, we felt that we had to act to quickly preserve the community, rather than risk all that has been built, especially in the past two years. Thus we launched our rebrand, before we were truly ready, but it was in effort to preserve the community. ### Why did you take the discord? The discord was always mine. I set it up very early on in discord’s life, originally as an experiment, but when it became clear that discord was getting popular, I suggested to Lex that we transition it to our new online space. At first it was secondary to #minecraftforge on esper.net IRC, but over time, it became the primary community hub. Lex was never interested in taking ownership of the server, even though I offered it several times. So it is my asset, and as my asset, I felt it best to rebrand it. ### What happens now? Things will settle as time passes. We should have our governance documents soon - we have good plans for a fresh approach to governing the project. We have had many many offers of support and help from many many community members, including corporations that run large hosting providers, distribution platforms and more. We will be setting up an opencollective for those that wish to financially support the project. That financial support will be funneled directly back into the project - we hope to be able to help our many contributors with a little pocket money for their kind donations of time. ### My opinion and perspective I want to be clear, this is my opinion and perspective. Others will have their own opinions, and they may differ in the details, but I believe this is the best possible future for the project as a whole. I hope curle will write her perspective on the matter for publishing here. # 简体中文 ## 发生了什么？ ### 发生了什么事？从2023年7月12日开始，原名为 "Forgecord "的discord改名为一个新的项目--NeoForged。 NeoForged 是一个 MinecraftForge 的分叉。除了LexManos（以下简称Lex）之外，几乎所有原团队成员都加入了新团队。这篇新闻将试图解释导致这一激烈行动的情况。然而，它呈现的是新团队的视角，特别是我(cpw)的视角和动机。 ### 为什么会发生这种情况？首先，我想说清楚。归因于一个单一的事件是归因于千刀万剐的一刀。 Minecraft Forge discord 中的最新困难后，我想了解为什么 Curle 觉得她需要辞去 Lex 把她的位置-即项目的领导者。在升任领导之前，她在组织团队方面做得非常出色。与她的讨论让我大开眼界，她花了大量时间建立的团队一直存在困难，而Lex是问题的根源。我想清楚，莱克斯一直是一个问题，在很多很多年的修改社区。在过去的 12 年中，几乎每个资深的 minecraft modder 都与他有过负面的互动。我曾在力所能及的情况下，试图引导人们不要因为Lex而放弃Forge--在与一个刚刚被Lex骂了1000次 "Cunt "的沮丧的moder的多次私下交谈中为他辩护，或者因为讨论Fabric或coremods等微不足道的过失而被禁止进入我们的在线空间。在评估我所处的情况时，我很快发现我可以采取以下三种行动之一： 1. 什么都不做。如果我什么都不做，我相信我们将眼睁睁地看着Forge项目慢慢解体。这也是我们一开始招募Curle的原因--试图帮助建立一个有用的团队，让Lex从社区管理的风口浪尖上退下来。在我看来，她的离开将使Forge团队的毒瘤进一步恶化，无法继续发挥其应有的作用。我们会看到更多的公共纠纷和滥用，更多的修改者和社区领袖变得越来越沮丧。 2. 照看Lex。实际上，这就是我在过去10年中或多或少一直在做的事情。他不会这么认为，但我多年来一直在为Lex辩护。我真的认为，如果他能停止在网上的毒舌行为，我们就会成功。 3. 做我们已经做过的事--放弃项目，重新开始。请注意，由于个人的身体和精神健康问题，我没有足够的能力继续执行第2条，而是退出了社区--实际上是第1条--因为我需要保护我的健康。Lex曾多次争辩说我有能力控制他，但这只是历史的偶然，我认为这在两个成年朋友之间是没有必要的，而且如果这要了我的命--可能性不为零（我不是年轻人了）--那么无论如何都不会有人离开了。 ### 我们已经分叉是的，我们已经分叉了项目。Curle和我都认为这是对项目的未来，更重要的是对社区最好的决定--我从来没有想过成为领导者所带来的金钱或权力，我们已经开始为项目的未来制定一个简单的章程，我们将在时间允许的情况下分享这个章程。我们不得不分叉--因为许多核心资产是由Lex的公司Forge LLC授权的。分叉和重塑品牌对我们更有利。我们将删除那些属于 MinecraftForge 项目的资产，因为我们开发我们自己的品牌和风格。请注意，这还不是硬分叉。目前我们仍与现有的 Forge 兼容。我们是否在未来打破这种兼容性是许多讨论的话题之一。一些人希望我们快速清理技术债务，另一些人则认为我们应该采取更加谨慎的方式来完成这项工作。可以说，这两种意见都有一定的道理，我们鼓励讨论，并就在什么时间尺度上采取什么措施是合适的进行成人辩论。 ### 为什么看起来如此仓促？我们已经进行了大约9天的计划和讨论--并且设置了一个私人对讲机，我们可以在那里讨论未来的方向，并进行初步的设置和计划工作。这一切都在顺利进行中，但昨天早上我却受到了人生中最大的打击--除了Lex自己，还有谁在我们的私人对谈中阅读积压的文件。原因尚不清楚，我们可能永远不会知道发生了什么，但可以说，猫肯定是出了袋子。面对一个未知数，我们认为我们必须采取行动，迅速保护社区，而不是冒险，尤其是在过去的两年里，所有已经建立的。因此，在我们真正准备好之前，我们启动了品牌重塑，但这是为了保护社区。 ### 你为什么要拿discord？ discord一直是我的。我在discord生命的早期就建立了它，最初是作为一个实验，但当discord变得越来越受欢迎时，我建议Lex将它过渡到我们的新在线空间。起初，它是 esper.net IRC上#minecraftforge的次要空间，但随着时间的推移，它成为了主要的社区中心。尽管我多次提出，Lex从未对拥有服务器感兴趣。因此，它是我的资产，作为我的资产，我觉得最好重新命名它。 ### 现在会发生什么？事情会随着时间的推移而解决。我们应该很快就会有管理文件--我们已经为管理项目的新方法制定了良好的计划。我们得到了许多社区成员的支持和帮助，其中包括运营大型托管服务提供商、分发平台等的公司。我们将为那些希望为项目提供资金支持的人建立一个开放的集体。这些资金支持将直接回馈到项目中--我们希望能够帮助我们的众多贡献者，为他们的时间捐赠提供一点零花钱。 ### 我的观点和看法我想明确一点，这是我的观点和看法。其他人会有他们自己的观点，可能在细节上有所不同，但我相信这对整个项目来说是最好的未来。我希望curle能写出她对此事的看法并在此发表。 # 繁體中文 ## 發生了什麼事？ ### 發生了什麼事？從2023年7月12日開始，原名為 "Forgecord "的discord改名為一個新的項目--NeoForged。 NeoForged 是一個 MinecraftForge 的分叉。除了LexManos（以下簡稱Lex）之外，幾乎所有原團隊成員都加入了新團隊。這篇新聞將試圖解釋導致這一激烈行動的情況。然而，它呈現的是新團隊的視角，特別是我(cpw)的視角和動機。 ### 為什麼會發生這種情況？首先，我想說清楚。歸因於一個單一的事件是歸因於千刀萬剮的一刀。 Minecraft Forge discord 中的最新困難後，我想了解為什麼 Curle 覺得她需要辭去 Lex 把她的位置-即項目的領導者。在升任領導之前，她在組織團隊方面做得非常出色。與她的討論讓我大開眼界，她花了大量時間建立的團隊一直存在困難，而Lex是問題的根源。我想清楚，萊克斯一直是一個問題，在很多很多年的修改社區。在過去的 12 年中，幾乎每個資深的 minecraft modder 都與他有過負面的互動。我曾在力所能及的情況下，試圖引導人們不要因為Lex而放棄Forge--在與一個剛剛被Lex罵了1000次 "Cunt "的沮喪的moder的多次私下交談中為他辯護，或者因為討論Fabric或coremods等微不足道的過失而被禁止進入我們的在線空間。在評估我所處的情況時，我很快發現我可以採取以下三種行動之一： 1. 什麼都不做。如果我什麼都不做，我相信我們將眼睜睜地看著Forge項目慢慢解體。這也是我們一開始招募Curle的原因--試圖幫助建立一個有用的團隊，讓Lex從社區管理的風口浪尖上退下來。在我看來，她的離開將使Forge團隊的毒瘤進一步惡化，無法繼續發揮其應有的作用。我們會看到更多的公共糾紛和濫用，更多的修改者和社區領袖變得越來越沮喪。 2. 看顧Lex。實際上，這就是我在過去10年中或多或少一直在做的事情。他不會這麼認為，但我多年來一直在為Lex辯護。我真的認為，如果他能停止在網路上的毒舌行為，我們就會成功。 3. 做我們已經做過的事--放棄項目，重新開始。請注意，由於個人的身體和精神健康問題，我沒有足夠的能力繼續執行第2條，而是退出了社區--實際上是第1條--因為我需要保護我的健康。Lex曾多次爭辯說我有能力控制他，但這只是歷史的偶然，我認為這在兩個成年朋友之間是沒有必要的，而且如果這要了我的命--可能性不為零（我不是年輕人了）--那麼無論如何都不會有人離開了。 ### 我們已經分叉是的，我們已經分叉了項目。Curle和我都認為這是對項目的未來，更重要的是對社區最好的決定--我從來沒有想過成為領導者所帶來的金錢或權力，我們已經開始為項目的未來制定一個簡單的章程，我們將在時間允許的情況下分享這個章程。我們不得不分叉--因為許多核心資產是由Lex的公司Forge LLC授權的。分叉和重塑品牌對我們更有利。我們將刪除那些屬於 MinecraftForge 項目的資產，因為我們開發我們自己的品牌和風格。請注意，這還不是硬分叉。目前我們仍與現有的 Forge 相容。我們是否在未來打破這種相容性是許多討論的話題之一。一些人希望我們快速清理技術債務，另一些人則認為我們應該採取更加謹慎的方式來完成這項工作。可以說，這兩種意見都有一定的道理，我們鼓勵討論，並就在什麼時間尺度上採取什麼措施是合適的進行成人辯論。 ### 為什麼看起來如此倉促？我們已經進行了大約9天的計劃和討論--並且設置了一個私人對講機，我們可以在那裡討論未來的方向，並進行初步的設置和計劃工作。這一切都在順利進行中，但昨天早上我卻受到了人生中最大的打擊--除了Lex自己，還有誰在我們的私人對談中閱讀積壓的文件。原因尚不清楚，我們可能永遠不會知道發生了什麼事，但可以說，貓肯定是出了袋子。面對一個未知數，我們認為我們必須採取行動，迅速保護社區，而不是冒險，尤其是在過去的兩年裡，所有已經建立的。因此，在我們真正準備好之前，我們啟動了品牌重塑，但這是為了保護社區。 ### 你為什麼要拿discord？ discord一直是我的。我在discord生命的早期就建立了它，最初是作為一個實驗，但當discord變得越來越受歡迎時，我建議Lex將它過渡到我們的新在線空間。起初，它是 esper.net IRC上 #minecraftforge 的次要空間，但隨著時間的推移，它成為了主要的社區中心。儘管我多次提出，Lex從未對擁有伺服器感興趣。因此，它是我的資產，作為我的資產，我覺得最好重新命名它。 ### 現在會發生什麼事？事情會隨著時間的推移而解決。我們應該很快就會有管理文件--我們已經為管理項目的新方法制定了良好的計劃。我們得到了許多社區成員的支持和幫助，其中包括運營大型託管服務提供商、分發平台等的公司。我們將為那些希望為項目提供資金支持的人建立一個開放的集體。這些資金支持將直接回饋到項目中--我們希望能夠幫助我們的眾多貢獻者，為他們的時間捐贈提供一點零用錢。 ### 我的觀點和看法我想明確一點，這是我的觀點和看法。其他人會有他們自己的觀點，可能在細節上有所不同，但我相信這對整個項目來說是最好的未來。我希望curle能寫出她對此事的看法並在此發表。 --- [deepl]: https://www.deepl.com/translator [zhconvert]: https://zhconvert.org/ [original text]: https://neoforged.net/news/theproject/ {%hackmd @lumynou5/dark-theme %}