# Meeting - 27 March 2023 [toc] ## Meeting Info This is the UK Carpentry Community space for the UK Carpentry instructors, helpers and workshop coordinators (or anyone involved in training tech to researchers in general and outside of the UK) to get to know each other better, update the commmunity about developments, discuss issues and ideas, and encourage collaboration. During these meetings, we will be conforming to [The Carpentries Code of Conduct](https://docs.carpentries.org/topic_folders/policies/code-of-conduct.html). **Meeting schedule: meetings happen on 4th Monday each month, 16:00-17:00 UK time, BST (UTC+1) or GMT (UTC+0) depending on the time of the year** **Meeting details are shared via [local-uk mailing list](https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/local-uk) and [The Carpentries community calendar](https://carpentries.org/community/#community-events).** - [Community's HackMD workspace](https://hackmd.io/team/local-uk?nav=overview) - [Previous & upcoming meetings](https://hackmd.io/V3ReKkEESzqyCNxWJdulOw#Past-amp-Upcoming-Meetings) - [Meeting notes template](https://hackmd.io/hgl1tYhOTTqDsIDwjArE5w) - [Chairing rota](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkPK1Si7F) - [Guest speaker sign-up](https://hackmd.io/@local-uk/rkkzBTLOd) **Zoom URL:** https://zoom.us/j/95360073649 ## Meeting Minutes - **Chair:** Phil Reed - **Timekeeper:** Andrew Walker - **Notetaker:** Andrew Walker ### Agenda 0. Assign notetaker & timekeeper 1. Sign in & ice-breaker 1. Review of actions 2. Announcements 4. Guest speaker + Q&A 5. Instructor Training checkout questions 6. Wrap-up/AOB ### Sign-in Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout: 1. *David Halliday / he/him / Newcastle University* (did not attend) 2. Camilla Ryan / she/her / Earlham Institute / (checkout) 3. Joao Morado / he/him / National Oceanography Centre / (checkout) 4. Tom Meltzer / he/him / Univesity of Leicester / (checkout) 5. Kasia Banas / she/her/ University of Edinburgh (checkout) 6. Juergen Amann (checkout) 7. Sherman Lo / Queen Mary, University of London / checkout 8. Phil Reed / he/him / University of Manchester 9. Sarah Jaffa / she / UCL, London 10. Jannetta Steyn / she,her / Newcastle University 11. Dimitrios Theodorakis / he/him / Met Office / d.theodorakis@metoffice.gov.uk 12. Andrew Walker / he/him / University of Oxford 13. Colin Sauze / he/him / National Oceanography Centre / colin.sauze@noc.ac.uk 14. Juan Herrera / he/him / EPCC, The University of Edinburgh / j.herrera@epcc.ed.ac.uk 15. Ronald MacDonald | he/him | UofDundee 16. Giles Greenway ### Notes Review of actions ### Announcements Colin noted that two months ago in this course we discussed putting in a session proposal for collaborations workshop 2023. We ended up putting in two proposals: (a) an plan to give and discuss a 'live coding' lesson online and in person and (b) a panel discussion around teaching. (a) was accepted but (b) was not. The session will be on the first day (2/5/2023) at 3 pm. See https://software.ac.uk/cw23/mini-workshops-and-demo-sessions#1.3 - regstration for in person attendance closed on Friday but online registration is still open. Discussion of how this would work in a hybrid meeting. We're planning on showing online and in person lessons side by side. We're not sure if this has been done before. We've discussed online teaching here before. UCL have done a little bit of hybrid teaching (online and in person groups) and found this very difficult. There is also experiance of an online instructor delivering material to an in person group (or groups in other rooms for very large in person sessions). This seems to need good local facilitiation by helpers. Important to relay questions. It's also useful to have an online helper (a "zoom DJ") to help keep the remote participants connected. It can be useful for local atendees to join a zoom session. In person library capentry workshop for white rose with a dedicated follow up session to bring data and take advantage of the learning. Part of an SSI fellowship. There will be a write up to follow. UCL have a follow up half day following the HPC capentries workshop. Get your code up and running (i.e. implement what you have learned in half a day). Question on Fortran based capentries workshops. There is material on OpenMP/MPI (part of HPC capentries?) Nobody is aware of a 'gentle introduction' to Fortran. There is a problem that there is legacy Fortran applications (e.g. at the Met Office) around the place. There may be a need for a "congratulations on your purchase of this legacy code" - how to refactor Fortran. Is this two lessons. There are bits and peices around the place but no joined up course. At UCL the HPC course is fairly language agnositic, but people who need help get ponted to the ARCHER2 'intro to modern Fortran' course (https://www.archer2.ac.uk/training/courses/220426-modern-fortran/). Book for legacy code: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44919.Working_Effectively_with_Legacy_Code ARCHER2 is also looking at a follow up 'intermediate' course. Contact Juan (see above) for more information. Feel free to contact Dimitrios (email above) if you are also interested in Fortran workshops, he would be very interested in hearing from you. For any new lesson, having a lesson maintainer is important. There is a whole process, see the handbook. There are existing pull requests. e.g. https://www.archer2.ac.uk/training/courses/221213-modern-fortran/ ### Q&A New 'workbench' platform for lessons. There is a blog and a recorded talk from capentry con last year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=492tL1JsJf4). For instructors there should be limited change. ### Wrap-up/AOB Next meeting 24th April.