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Regular calls: 4th Monday of the month, 16:00-17:00 UK time (BST or GMT)
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Time: 16:00 GMT
Location: Zoom URL: https://zoom.us/j/95360073649
Chair: Aleks Nenadic
Timekeeper:
Notetaker: Phil Reed
Name/pronoun if you like/ institution / optionally put "(checkout)" if you are here for the Instructor Training checkout:
Introductions from everyone.
Mario and Lucia: OWL camera experience for hybrid teaching (ongoing) - issues with various input/outputs. Not encouraged by results. Mario/Lucia were in the same room but socially distanced due to Covid.
Sarah: font trying to illustrate how it feels to be dyslexic and font designed to combat dyslexia
See agenda above for details. (Line 34 at time of writing.)
Selina Aragon, SSI Communications Lead, s.aragon@software.ac.uk. Topic: Research Software Camps
Slides: https://bit.ly/3GYZHP9
Q1 (Matthew). Attempting to sign up as a code reviewer last autumn, didn't hear back. Was there an issue here? (For the code review clinic)
A1. We didn't have many people come forward with their code but we had a lot of reviewers offered. Could be about advertisement or lack of confidence of people to share their code.
Matthew is involved in a group doing code review, together with another SSI Fellow Thibault Lestang.
Q2 Dave: Putting on training for PhD and postdocs, very basic software development/programming (intro to Shell, setting up an IDE, basic version control with Git/Github). Need a good, fundamental course before getting into research. Could I harvest some courses/material, get some advice, suggest building blocks?
A2 Ed: This is the Software Carpentry workshop! Designed for 2 days face-to-face, takes 2.5 days online.
A2 Lucia: GitHub Learning course has an interactive element. Also, look at Programming Historian especially the Shell lesson, also Python and R, written for humanists. "Not sure if it is a shared problem on your neck of the woods but for humanities a very big issue is make them aware of what these tools are for…If you just organise training they will not show up. Need to prove them why they are useful"
A2 Aleks: Look also at Data Carpentry and Library Carpentry for consideration of specific domains. You could mix and match some of these, eg manipulating and managing data in spreadsheets. Also data cleaning. Some domain-specific groups start with Carpentries materials and build/extend them. Also look in the Carpentries Incubator. You will need instructors who can deliver these courses, of course. Look at the UK mailing list too. "SSI is Working with Tracy Teal to develop a Carpentries-style curriculum to teach non-technical skills to more senior leaders of research / research software teams. Train the PI."
A2 Sarah Gibson: https://the-turing-way.netlify.app/ and https://alan-turing-institute.github.io/rse-course/ also for data science https://alan-turing-institute.github.io/rds-course/
A2 Matthew Bluteau: Another link to add to the pile for course resources: https://www.bristol.ac.uk/acrc/research-software-engineering/training/
Q3 Colin Sauze: How prevalent is it for Carpentries-style courses to be a formal part of PhD programmes?
A3 Matthew Bluteau: This exists for the Scottish University Physics Alliance (SUPA). Software Carpentry workshop is part of the optional syllabus. Not mandatory training, but PhD students need to have certain amount of non-domain-specific training, and the Carpentries is there.
A3 Jannetta Steyn: PhDs at Newcastle have to take a certain number of workshops, and she is putting on the Carpentries workshops as part of this.
Phil Reed thanked Mario and Eirini from this group who helped with Library Carpentry survey data analysis (raised at the last meeting of this group).