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LCCWG 2024-11-07 meeting
Meeting started at 14:08 UTC.
0. Attendance
Present
- Anisa - IT
- Arnalie - PH
- Charles - ZM
- Eugene - PH
- Geoffrey - UG (joined '10)
- Naveen - IN (left '12)
- Włodzimierz - PL
- Michael - UN
Not present
- Besfort - XK (with apologies)
Guests
- Matheus Gomes - BR
- Raquel Dezidério Souto - BR
1. Administrative
- Minutes of previous meetings: https://hackmd.io/@lccwg/BkiFaeN1yg
- Approved
2. Main agenda
2.1. OSMF/Board updates
- Skipped
- Action item: Invite Dani or the Board liaison to LCCWG
2.2. LCC Virtual Congress
- Post-congress tasks (from previous minutes)
- [NEW] Documentation
- Post recording online
- It is here: https://www.youtube.com/@osmlccwg
- Request and post presentation slides from presenters (check notes)
- Post recording online
- Adam: Still have to create some notes regarding the OSM website Community page update
- [NEW] Documentation
- Next Congress?
- DONE in OSM Wiki -
Arnalie: Still have to create some blog post / diary / docu / update community forum thread regarding the OSMF Affiliation Models discussion- both recap and announcement
- March 15
- Maggie might not be able to attend but will make sure to have someone from OSM US there
- St. Patrick's Day (Irish / US Holiday)
- DONE in OSM Wiki -
2.3. LC How-to + application updates/status
2.3.1. umbraOSM (Brazil)
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Assigned to Włodzimierz / Eugene
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Cristoffs started the community consultation in Discourse:
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Documents (translation into English not yet provided, also financial documents)
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Cristoffs doesn't recommend that the application should proceed:
- They did not provide a complete set of documents - lack of financial, i'm accepted explenetions, but in light of additional facts it is a formal obstacle.
- Consultations with the community revealed no support from the Brazilian community for a positive opinion on the application
- Therefore, according to my recommendation, the UmbraOSM application as a Local Chapter should be rejected and they should be allowed to re-submit it as an organization associated on the principles of affiliation as soon as they are developed and approved.
- However, we must include in these rules as a mandatory condition for submitting financial documents from which it will be clear that they can support themselves. At least for organizations with legal status.
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Matheus (moderator of OSM Brazil in the community forum and Telegram):
- Recommends that the discussion to start a LC in Brazil to restart
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Raquel sending email to LCCWG and actively comments in the community forum about the signature forgery.
- Raquel in the chat: Yes, it was confirmed by other person, Kauê Vestena
- Yes, there was another tentative of formalizing OSM Brazil , but without success
- Yes, Brazilian community is a good group, but there was this problem with this candidacy.
- And UMBRAOSM has a lot of problems with transparency and formal documents
- I can not think that this entity can apply again because of the huge irregularities that occurred
- Raquel in the chat: Yes, it was confirmed by other person, Kauê Vestena
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Raphael (president of umbraOSM) sending email to Dorothea (admin), Arnalie (LCCWG) and Guillame (Board)
- does LCCWG want to take part on this?
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Questions/comments:
- Naveen: what is the difference between umbraosm and OSM Brazil group? any CoIs?
- Eugene: Brazil community is a very large group but not in any way a formal org; umbraOSM, registered org, is a subset of the community who applied to be LC but did not consult with the whole OSM Brazil community so many people are surprised and it was met with a lot of criticism
- Matheus: Many members are members of both groups. UmbraOSM was created to, in the future, try to be a formal org and apply to LC etc
- Raquel: Umbraosm is not registered yet, according to Brazilian law;
- Michael: take into consideration thematic groups; the application will be successful if OSM Brazil to come together as a group to apply as LC
- Matheus: Yes, we also have regional groups as well (at least 20), but all in the bigger umbrella of "OSM Brazil". We also have other formal orgs as mentiones by Raquel mentioned
- Geoffrey: I agree with Cristoffs's recommendation
- Cristoffs: agree, umbraOSM not apply as a LC and make documents in order; work on affiliation models
- Naveen: clearly tell them the process and why
- Michael: LCCWG cannot forbid orgs to apply: we evaluate the applications as they come
- Arnalie and Charles: agree with Michael
- Arnalie: we are not in the position to judge the forgery, but can evaluate the application based on our process: community consultation should be successful to be able to proceed
- Naveen: what is the difference between umbraosm and OSM Brazil group? any CoIs?
Vote: The LCCWG reject the umbraOSM as Brazil LC?
- Yes: 6
- clear the reason why: community consultation is unsuccessful
- it would be nice some public statement from LCCWG on the community forum thread
- No: 0
- Abstain: 1
Action:
- Cristoffs to draft about the rejection and publish to the community thread to be sent to LCCWG by tomorrow, 8 Nov
- LCCWG to review
2.3.2. OSM The Gambia application
- Assigned to Anisa / Arnalie
- met with Jaria and Madeline last month and agreed to wait on docs to continue:
- Activity Report (received)
- revised Bylaws/Constitution
- financial report
2.3.3. UniqueMappers Network (Nigeria) application
- Assigned to Michael
- I managed to get in touch with Victor from UniqueMappers Nigeria again. Would it be a problem to invite him to the LCCWG meeting so we can discuss missing steps on their application and actual interest?
- Documentation submitted about application of NGO but no financial statements
- Action: Michael to organise a separate meeting
2.3.4. Perkumpulan OpenStreetMap Indonesia
- Assigned Maggie/Geoffrey (supported by Alyssa)
- Geoffrey: No update on this, I will follow up with Margie, so we can fast track the application, will give an upate in our next meeting
2.3.5. others
- Action item: Timeline updates to indicate deadlines / responsiveness / current practice - Arnalie to draft and have LCCWG review before deadline https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ
Vote: approve?
- Yes: 7
- No:
- Abstain: 1
Action:
- Arnalie to send to Dorothea for implementation
2.4. Affiliation model + revisiting FPOSM agreement
- OSM Wiki documentation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Improving_the_affiliation_scheme_of_the_OSMF
- Meeting organised by Arnalie last Oct 30.
- Arnalie wants to set up a group to focus on this topic
- like the moderation subcommittee before
- Matheus and Cristoffs expressed interest to be involved
- Co-organiser/s to help with meetings in a different timezone
- Eugene can co-organize
- Arnalie's commitment for this until Dec 2024
Action:
- subcommittee for affiliation models - Arnalie to open call for volunteers on same community forum thread
- invite everyone who expressed interest and attended previous discussions to join this subcom
2.5. OSMF ongoing 2025 budget cycle - LCCWG to discuss/think and send to Treasurer
- Eugene suggestion: roll over our budget request from last year: microgrants (almost 12k euros budget)
- https://osmfoundation.org/w/images/0/06/OSMF_2024_Budget_v2024-02-23.pdf
- Geoffrey: Same budget sounds good
- Arnalie: Microgrants should have a focal person to lead
- Expect Roland to send an email to WGs
- LCCWG to anticipate this
Action:
- have a focal person to lead
- respond to Roland's email re budget once received
2.6. Sponsorship from Meta
- Approved by Meta
- already sent acceptance and next steps to the organizers, now up to Board / Finance Com
2.8. SotM 2024
- Report back during this month: Geoffrey, Anisa, Arnalie
- Geoffrey: went well and according to plan
- Wasn't able to have a session/BoF LCC in-person
- No new chapter announcement (no new chapters!)
- Would be nice to be able to do these in Manila
- Anisa: Yes, a little bit of what the LCCWG does was shared during one of the panels where they shared about what Working Groups do and how to join
3. Upcoming National Events Inventory
- FOSS4G/SotM Oceania Nov 5-8, 2024
- SotM Rwanda Nov 15-17, 2024
- Geoffrey is attending
- SotM Kerala 16-18 Nov
- SotM Asia/Bangladesh Nov 30-Dec 1, 2024
- SotM LatAm Dec 6-8, 2024
- FossGIS March 26-29, 2025
- State of the Map US 2025 - June 19-21 2025
- State of the Map 2025 - Philippines
- FOSS4GIT- OSMIT - Italy, Dec 14, 2024
- State of the Map DRC 28 Feb to 2 Mar 2025
- SotM Japan - TBA 2025
- FOSSGIS: 26-29 Mar
- State of the Map US 2025 - June 19-21 2025
- State of the Map 2025 - Philippines
4. Any other business
- Arnalie stepping back from LCCWG, and prioritizing SotM 2024 organization starting January
- No other business
5. Next meeting
- Currently scheduled for Dec 5
- Action item: Add monthly meeting schedule in osmcal.org
- Note that we will not have a meeting in early January due to holidays
Meeting ended 15:37 UTC.
