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# Helmholtz AI special edition seminar: </br> Joris van Eijnatte

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## :memo: Seminar details

**13 Jan 2022, 11:00 - 12:00**

- Speaker: **Joris van Eijnatte**, CEO & Prof. Digital History at the Netherlands eScience Center
- Title: **An overview about The Netherlands escience center.**
- Chair: **Peter Steinbach**, Head of Helmholtz AI consultant team @ HZDR

### VC details

Access to online venue:
https://bluejeans.com/359354448/7471

Meeting ID: 359 354 448
Passcode: 7471
Dial from phone: +49.69.808.84246 (Germany (Frankfurt, German)), +41.43.508.6463 (Switzerland (Zurich, German))



## :memo: Notes

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- Mission
    - Ambition 1, 70 % of money investment
        - research software 
    - Ambition 2 == training, 30% of budget invested here

- strategic priorities
    - institutional alignment => work is exclusively demand driven
    - s/w sustainability => input given my evaluation
    
- means
    - open calls
    - collaborations
    - workshops & training
    - community building

- RSE work across a matrix of domains and sections 
    - section
        - community & dissem
        - calls and projects
        - knowledge dev / technology
        
- term RSE used very loosely 
    - mostly postdoc/assoc professor level (from disciplines/domains)
    - minority from computer science (as many CS people move to industry)
    - tenury given after first 2 years
    - RSEs are hard to find (mentioned high quality criteria)
    - make sure, that people are equipped to move ahead/out-of escience center
        - people moving back to pure academia positions (tied to current discussion in NL about reward systems in science)
        - industry

- evaluation process for replies to project call
    - process outsourced to Netherlands Research Council (NRC) as they have transparent and fair process
    - NRC is paid for this by escience center
    - if open call is over subscribed, **random selection** selects applications to move forward
    - directors of escience center are on the assessment board to make sure

- project life cycle
    - application does not need to detail how to solve a problem
    - technical solution (software, ML, ...) is implemented AFTER project has been granted (science kick-off)


## :question: Questions for the speaker

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:arrow_right: Peter Steinbach - on project calls: the total budget of a "larger" project is 2.5 personyears (so either one extra person for 2.5years or 2 people for 1.15 years)

:arrow_right: Peter Steinbach - what are your key performance indicators internally?
- get away from a target related system (doesn't work in academia)
- relaxed assessment based on different aspects 
- less: publish or perish

:arrow_right: Peter Steinbach - what are your key performance indicators that your funders put on you?
- work with assessment protocoll set by ministry and others
- more relaxed, gives escience center the freedom to define KPIs on their own (with justification)
- e.g. software as output is as valuable as a nature paper
- currently being worked on -> 

:arrow_right: Alvaro - how are project retrospectives in ML are done?
- just being ramped up
- can put us in touch
- new thing: programme managers -> are doing these evaluations

:arrow_right: Alvaro - how are the teams structured? (size, what profiles)
- creation of teams is rather new
- not always teams are required, sometimes RSE also just go alone (try to cater to everyone)
- if a project is pursued alone, there needs to be a backup
- teams: 4-6 people with variations
    - RSEs can decide on their own, which teams they like to participate in
- profiles: depend on projects -> RSEs decide on their own including a justification
- projects 2 kinds of 
    - early career: 1 personyear
    - larger: 2.5 personyears (can take 2-4 years)
    - hours put into the project count 

:arrow_right: Alvaro - license? MIT or BSD licenses for academic s/w?
- idea: as open as possible
- depends on the use case (dependencies)

:arrow_right: Alvaro - initiatives to analyze dependencies?
- not in our mandate
- careful how budget is invested
- small R&D budget -> careful in investment
- annual escience center symposium -> this year is special: s/w sustainability and funding for it

:arrow_right: Stephan Janosch - Where Instructor Trainers educated with carpentries?
- yes, certified trainers from the carpentries
- copy their model: train the trainer ourselves

:arrow_right: Olav Zimmerman - 50% on location is organized how?
- max driving distance is 2-3 hours by car
- depends on locality -> local time can be cluster
- depends on the RSE and the applicants (family situation etc)
- commute and costs for stay are funded by escience center

:arrow_right: Olav Zimmerman - universities try to build up their own expertise rather than asking for external support? (competing interests)
- escience centers mission is temporary from the start
- mission of escience center: empower people to not need the escience center anymore
- escience is typically some steps ahead

:arrow_right: Lena Hersemann - how do you maintain the s/w after a project?
- we don't do this -> not in our mandate
- use the instruments (open-source, training, internal reuse on the next project, ...) to make s/w and community around self-sufficient
- motivate scientists to use s/w in teaching (e.g. a masters course ...)


## :question: Your Feedback

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### Share something that you learned or liked :+1:

- ...

### Share something that you didn’t like or would like us to improve :-1:

- ...


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