# timotree + Fafrd On 2025/4/29 timotree and Fafrd begin winstreak attempts. We will use this document to record convention ideas from games, rather than inventing conventions midgame. Current streak: ~~3~~ 0 ## Conventions - 2p ref sieve. - 7 clue permission to play - discarding to 8 clues when partner has no queued plays gives a play signal - if Alice's only known actions are discards and Bob is unloaded, then she is in a Permission to Play situation and clues to Bob which normally mean play slot 1 instead mean discard slot 1 - playing last action at 8 clues gives permission to bomb; note says that slot 1 is noncritical unless playable - loaded ocms trigger discard (ptd) signals - these signals apply left to right on ungotten cards which have not been ocmed - skipping a card with a discard signal does not give it an ocm note - loaded (unplayable) rank: - right-referential play. rightmost target. - trash pushes (even loaded) always refer left with leftmost target - PTD revokes: - clues given to a ptd player which do not touch the newest ptd card are loaded and never revoke. - if clue touches newest ptd card, first interpretation is to play the ptd card as an identity that makes sense in context. - when there is no such identity, clue touching newest ptd card will focus other touched card as a play signal and will not revoke - forced misplays revoke - direct rank play on slot 1 gives slot 2 PTD note (not kt) - if multiple cards have ptd note, we discard them newest to oldest - zero clue: - choosing to go to 0 clues promises a way to get a clue back - during the first turn of 0 clues, choosing to stay at 0 clues promises a ptd in leftmost unclued (if no other ptd) - thereafter, choosing to stay 0 clues promises a ptd in slot 1 (really, just slot 1) - finesses/prompts: - always blind play first if a blind play will be required ## Interesting turns/ideas - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476734#3 - Interesting to consider 1s. Choosing direct over color suggests that it is important to play new 1 first, so old 1 is bad. Could conventionalize leftmost bad? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476734#9 - Sure wish yellow got slot 1 first - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476759#7 - Would be nice if 2s got multiple (all?) to play - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476759#24 - Lie save is fun, meaning a bit unclear when it's known - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476784#2 - Wanted max cm forces stall - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1476784#19 - It would be nice to be able to touch red 4 knowing that 4s later will get it to discard - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1479429#28 - :salt: :rotating_light: Sodium alert :rotating_light: :salt: - Would be nice if I could communicate two trash clearly. What does 1 mean? - Could mean trash push???? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1479471#9 - :salt: :rotating_light: Sodium alert :rotating_light: :salt: - Does this revoke?? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1479477#23 - :salt: :rotating_light: Sodium alert :rotating_light: :salt: - Might be nice to be able to get y5. What does 1/purple mean? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1479477#27 - :salt: :rotating_light: Sodium alert :rotating_light: :salt: - What does yellow mean? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483952#6 - If Faf discards the 2, then next turn bombing r1 is a lock. If Faf discards the 1, then next turn playing the "wrong" r2 is ??? - Maybe playing the wrong copy of a duplicate playing shoud lock?? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1484083#15 - :rotating_light: Neema alert :rotating_light: - Does 4 revoke PTD here? It really ought to. ## Pseudo-stalling Working definition: Alice has exactly one loaded action and Bob has 1+ known play, then Alice's clues are pseudo-stalls. - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483952#6 - Faf wants to get r3 delayed here. Does red work? Does 5 work? Does 3 work? - Nevermind timo is the one who's pseudo-stalling - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483960#11 - Should direct blue be allowed here? If we wait, we're probably just pseudo-stalling blue next turn anyway. - One argument for waiting is that Faf might be able to get b2 later more efficiently with a no-info double. - One argument for eager is that I could draw a blue card. - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483960#13 - r2 prio gives elim for second safe action. Does that turn of pseudo-stalling? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483960#21 - Good opportunity for a "good enough" 1s clue - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483984#8 - Is it good/important to be able to double bluff g1+p4? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483984#22 - Example of free choice between play connector and discard. In game it was scream. Arguably it could be ptp vs ptd. - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1483999#7 - Should green work as a selfish focus inversion since slot 2 is unplayable in context? - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1484016#13 - 1s or discard? The 1s might get discarded for free with unlock promise. But Faf might be the one to get locked. If I'm about to get locked, 1s into scream could be better then locking with a clue. If I wait I might be able to give 1s on three at a time. - https://hanab.live/shared-replay/1484034#5 - Unknown 1 gd gets slot 1. Then slot 1 could be max ocm with forced stallback