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# About Ramy Elgaml Case

The so-called "Caso Ramy" (Ramy's Case) it is a news story that occurred on the night of November 23, 2024 in the Corvetto neighborhood of Milan that involved in a chase Ramy Elgaml and Fares Bouzidi, on board a scooter, and three patrols of the Carabinieri (italian military police). The chase ended with the crash of the scooter along via Ripamonti that led to the death of Ramy.

## Ramy Elgaml

(sometimes misspelled as El-Gamal)

Born in Egypt (??? where) on December 17, 2004 (19 years old at the time of the fact)

Ramy has a criminal record (??? source)

## Fares Bouzidi
Born in Tunisia (!!! to be veified) in 2002 (!!! to be verifid). 22 Years old at the time of the fect.

The night of the accident was driving "without having obtained a driving licence" and "after having taken narcotic substances".

His scooter is a T Max.

He had with him:
- 1000 euros in cash
- broken gold chain
- a switchblade
- a can of pepper spray

Fares has a criminal record (??? source)

## Soldier 1 (Name Unknown)

## Soldier 2 (Name Unknown)

## Soldier 3 (Name Unknown)

## Soldier 4 (Name Unknown)

## Soldier 5 (Name Unknown)

## Soldier 6 (Name Unknown)

## Yehia Elgaml (Ramy's Father)

> "Siamo lontani da quanto accaduto l'altro ieri sera e ci impegniamo a rispettare la legge nel nostro secondo Paese, l'Italia" [...] Abbiamo fiducia nella magistratura italiana, e non vogliamo vendetta ma solo sapere ciò che è successo. Ci dissociamo da tutti i violenti, ringraziamo tutti per la loro vicinanza, soprattutto gli italiani: mio figlio ormai era più italiano che egiziano"
> 
> ("We are far from what happened the night before yesterday and we are committed to respecting the law in our second country, Italy" [...] We trust the Italian judiciary, and we do not want revenge but only to know what happened. We dissociate ourselves from all the violent, we thank everyone for their closeness, especially the Italians: my son was now more Italian than Egyptian")
> 
> (From Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/lombardia/notizie/2024/11/27/il-padre-di-ramy-ci-dissociamo-dalle-violenze-di-milano_c55f8803-a1d1-4ded-8438-89adecde8fed.html, viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 28/12/2024)

## PM Marco Cirigliano

First Public prosecutor.

## PM Giancarla Serafini

Second Public prosecutor.

## Tiziana Siciliano
Adjunct Public prosecutor.

## Marcello Viola
Legal public prosecutor (Procuratore)

## Debora Piazza
Legal representative of Fares Bouzidi.

## Matteo Villaraggia
Engineer in charge of carrying out a counter-consultation.

## Eyewitness 1

> Il giovane teste oculare aveva raccontato a verbale che lui era riuscito a riprendere col telefono le ultime fasi dell'incidente e che i due militari si erano avvicinati e l'avevano obbligato a cancellarlo e lui l'aveva fatto. Il tecnico informatico Marco Tinti, nominato dalla Procura, ha rilevato tracce della cancellazione di un filmato, senza riuscire, però, a recuperarlo. 
> 
> (*The young eyewitness had testified that he had managed to film the last stages of the accident on his phone and that the two soldiers had approached him and forced him to delete it, which he had done. The computer technician Marco Tinti, appointed by the Prosecutor's Office, found traces of the deletion of a video, but was unable to recover it.*)

> [...] Il carabiniere, a cui viene contestato in particolare l'aver intimato ad un giovane, che si trovava all'angolo tra viale Ripamonti e via Quaranta dove si concluse l'inseguimento, di cancellare un video dal telefono, ha spiegato ai pm che lui e il collega si sono avvicinati perché pensavano che avesse fatto immagini delle fasi dei soccorsi, dei due ragazzi a terra, del massaggio cardiaco. E l'avrebbero diffidato dal diffonderle e avrebbero chiesto a lui anche i documenti.
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> (*[...] The carabiniere, who is accused in particular of having ordered a young man, who was at the corner of Viale Ripamonti and Via Quaranta where the chase ended, to delete a video from his phone, explained to the prosecutors that he and his colleague approached him because they thought he had taken images of the rescue phases, of the two boys on the ground, of the cardiac massage. And they warned him not to release them and also asked him for his documents.)*
>
> (From Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/lombardia/notizie/2025/02/21/ramy-carabiniere-diffidammo-testimone-sul-video-dei-soccorsi_18654e8d-4cd4-4053-987a-2b9ec5b9e059.html, viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 22/02/2025)

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## When
23 November 2024. 4 AM.


## Where
The checkpoint was in via Farini.

The two boys on the scooter went the wrong way through the tunnel on Viale Liberazione where a checkpoint with a mobile forensic laboratory had been set up.

The crash occurred along Via Ripamonti, at the intersection with Via Quaranta.

> "Prima delle quattro di notte non si sono fermati all'alt dei carabinieri in via Farini, accanto alla zona della Movida di corso Como. Zona dove non è raro che vengano fatte rapine, usando anche spray al peperoncino."
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> (Before four in the morning they did not stop at the carabinieri checkpoint in via Farini, next to the Movida area of Corso Como. An area where it is not uncommon for robberies to take place, even using pepper spray.)
> 
> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2025/01/12/chi-era-ramy-elgaml-il-giovane-morto-a-milano-al-centro-delle-proteste_812fc030-470a-492a-ad14-6b2fa8326ab4.html viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 29/01/2025)

The chase took place over 8 km of road.


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## Official Investigations
### Local police "First Report"

> "ci sarebbe stato un urto tra l'auto dei carabinieri e lo scooter nella fase finale dell'inseguimento"
> 
> (there was a collision between the carabinieri car and the scooter in the final phase of the chase)
> 
> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2025/01/12/chi-era-ramy-elgaml-il-giovane-morto-a-milano-al-centro-delle-proteste_812fc030-470a-492a-ad14-6b2fa8326ab4.html viewd the 13/04/2025)

### Local police "Final Report"

> "in base all'analisi di uno dei 40 frame delle telecamere di sorveglianza, che la vittima "è in fase di caduta al suolo" mentre la vettura dei carabinieri "sopraggiunge in frenata""
> 
> (based on the analysis of one of the 40 frames of the surveillance cameras, that the victim "is in the process of falling to the ground" while the police car "arrives while braking")
> 
> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2025/01/12/chi-era-ramy-elgaml-il-giovane-morto-a-milano-al-centro-delle-proteste_812fc030-470a-492a-ad14-6b2fa8326ab4.html viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 29/01/2025)

## Legal aspect
### The chase
> Come previsto dall'articolo 55 del codice di procedura penale "la polizia giudiziaria deve, anche di propria iniziativa, prendere notizia dei reati, impedire che vengano portati a conseguenze ulteriori, ricercarne gli autori, compiere gli atti necessari per assicurare le fonti di prova e raccogliere quant'altro possa servire per l'applicazione della legge penale".
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> (As provided for by Article 55 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, "the judicial police must, even on its own initiative, take notice of crimes, prevent them from being brought to further consequences, search for the perpetrators, carry out the necessary actions to secure the sources of evidence and collect anything else that may be useful for the application of the criminal law".)
> 
> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/lombardia/notizie/2025/01/17/ramy-pm-nessuna-violazione-nelle-modalita-dellinseguimento_4b0b18ba-a870-4f9a-b07c-86728b3f64a0.html, viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 18/01/2025)

### Control post or Checkpoint
Italian law distinguish between "Posto di blocco" (Control Post) and "Posto di controllo" (Checkpoint).
There are dubts to be verified about this.


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## To be organized

#### The injured people were taken to different hospitals:
- **Ramy Elgaml** was declared death at the *Policlinico di Milano Ospedale Maggiore*
- **Fares Bouzidi** was brought to the *Ospedale San Carlo Borromeo*
- Two soldiers involved in the accident (??? names) were brought to the *Ospedale Fatebenefratelli*

#### The lost footage
> Una perizia della procura su un cellulare di un testimone dell'incidente ha mostrato tracce di cancellazione di un filmato che allo stato sarebbe irrecuperabile. Il testimone ha girato un video che poi i militari, a suo dire, gli avrebbero detto di cancellare.
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> An expert report by the prosecutor's office on a cell phone belonging to a witness to the incident showed evidence of deletion of footage that is currently unrecoverable. The witness shot a video that the military, he said, told him to delete.

> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2025/01/12/chi-era-ramy-elgaml-il-giovane-morto-a-milano-al-centro-delle-proteste_812fc030-470a-492a-ad14-6b2fa8326ab4.html viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 29/01/2025)

#### Under investigation

**Fares Bouzidi**:
- Road homicide (not confirmed)
- Resistance to public officials

**One of the soldiers** (??? name):
- Road homicide

**Two soldiers** (!!! different from the one before ??? names):
- procedural fraud
- misdirection
- aiding and abetting

Other three soliers are out of official investigations

#### The investigation could be based on the images
> The main assessments, however, are made on the reconstruction of the collision between the car and the motorbike and the hypothesis of voluntary homicide with eventual intent takes shape, that is with the acceptance of the risk that the death event would occur, precisely in light of the images acquired, which also report the radio conversations between the carabinieri and in which reference would be made to making the boys "fall".> 
> 
> The main assessments, however, are made on the reconstruction of the collision between the car and the motorbike and the hypothesis of voluntary homicide with eventual intent takes shape, that is with the acceptance of the risk that the death event would occur, precisely in light of the images acquired, which also report the radio conversations between the carabinieri and in which reference would be made to making the boys "fall".
> 
> (from Ansa.it, https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2025/01/12/chi-era-ramy-elgaml-il-giovane-morto-a-milano-al-centro-delle-proteste_812fc030-470a-492a-ad14-6b2fa8326ab4.html viewd the 13/04/2025, updated the 29/01/2025)

#### The light pole
The (light) pole was removed by AMSA (Azienda Milanese Servizi Ambientali, a company that manages the collection and disposal of urban waste in the city of Milan and fourteen municipalities in the Milan Metropolitan Area) which took care of cleaning the scene.
The pole was considered a central element in the 