# Bad Machine Transcription: 13th Nov. 2021 **Confidence:** 87% > screen hiding the people who were actually in the channel **Confidence:** 74% > yes yeah it is it is quite need isn't it **Confidence:** 92% > yes it looks like the the craigs are working **Confidence:** 81% > cool **Confidence:** 87% > i love the fact that once you scroll down you can to scroll back up **Confidence:** 55% > yeah **Confidence:** 80% > i can **Confidence:** 45% > the **Confidence:** 87% > oh yeah its really weird like when people join and scrolling stops working or something like that **Confidence:** 72% > over like the buttons of slick start station stuff i come scroll thanks **Confidence:** 61% > i know a best issue **Confidence:** 86% > yeah hey pink will be starting in about five ish minutes it's not quite time to start yet **Confidence:** 76% > the box are working **Confidence:** 83% > okay **Confidence:** 84% > i won't open the amed just yet **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 83% > right **Confidence:** 92% > by the way does if you're not intending to talk you don't have to be on the stage it's entirely up to you of course you also won't have to answer questions directly via voice if you assume you've read the instructions i gave out in the meeting questions channel but you can respond with text if you want **Confidence:** 95% > yeah that's perfectly fine **Confidence:** 83% > how is this your first time so i was i **Confidence:** 81% > you know don't work **Confidence:** 66% > thank you **Confidence:** 64% > thank you **Confidence:** 68% > thank you **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 43% > the **Confidence:** 90% > yes **Confidence:** 56% > yeah **Confidence:** 64% > yeah **Confidence:** 54% > yeah **Confidence:** 76% > don't mean with two discords open **Confidence:** 54% > yeah **Confidence:** 65% > there we go **Confidence:** 61% > yeah **Confidence:** 93% > it's about four minutes to start time so i'm going to click the button **Confidence:** 95% > are you 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**Confidence:** 89% > it is a shame that heaven is not here **Confidence:** 60% > avenue mollich haven't **Confidence:** 93% > it's probably just gonna be fashionably late **Confidence:** 58% > yeah **Confidence:** 67% > thank you **Confidence:** 86% > i don't know meeting isn't actually later actually early **Confidence:** 74% > there was added for fifteen so **Confidence:** 32% > the **Confidence:** 62% > yeah **Confidence:** 89% > okay **Confidence:** 86% > i have no clue what that is so as i've no idea why does that **Confidence:** 52% > yeah **Confidence:** 88% > it's it's weird **Confidence:** 69% > yeah **Confidence:** 92% > all right i think we can get started **Confidence:** 40% > uhm **Confidence:** 95% > let me look at my list here **Confidence:** 80% > we start with casm **Confidence:** 80% > yes gonna be over quick **Confidence:** 86% > you go right okay well hello first of all thanks for coming down i've been working a little bit on its we have a lot of stuff planned out **Confidence:** 87% > and the last few weeks have been **Confidence:** 81% > chopping away at it i've not put up too much priority on it because we still need quote bill tools and build some more important but **Confidence:** 92% > i'm looking at it now it's very well thought out ordering become super simple because if i really talked about everything for like **Confidence:** 83% > alice and dace so i just wanted to say that maybe don't expect it for up better release or anything but **Confidence:** 95% > it's happening for sure **Confidence:** 89% > and i can't wait for other stuff to be done so if not time for it **Confidence:** 52% > yeah **Confidence:** 89% > yeah it's very much a slow burn project isn't it but i guess we saw that coming right **Confidence:** 84% > yeah it's it's really just a priority thing i keep we really need to build tools and revealing the attached and we really need met pings and we really need everything else and then we can talk about casm again **Confidence:** 92% > yeah that makes a lot of sense **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 88% > okay **Confidence:** 82% > that sounds good crop would you like to talk on the compiler sure but **Confidence:** 83% > extra so most important use about the compiling probably that that flower one point six point zero has been released **Confidence:** 76% > on the kick up i think is bigger **Confidence:** 75% > change look quite big so i can really go over the meaning in the meeting itself **Confidence:** 87% > but they are still working on more improvements for the future versions **Confidence:** 81% > including switch expressions which currently don't really compile compiled **Confidence:** 76% > i would also generic improvements as one of them made sure the compeller issues recover outlation issues **Confidence:** 81% > but we're also fixing channel each and also trying to get up a little bit **Confidence:** 58% > yeah **Confidence:** 77% > yeah it's still a lot stuff that can be improved **Confidence:** 34% > by **Confidence:** 87% > okay all good it's great to see in your release coming out especially with your work and everyone else on the decomparison team **Confidence:** 44% > uhm **Confidence:** 91% > from what i've seen it's a pretty fantastic project honestly and it's great to see also the community support coming out with things like gravel pluggings for it **Confidence:** 55% > thank you **Confidence:** 85% > okay **Confidence:** 90% > or would you like to talk on what the infrastructure team has been up to and that's not the town **Confidence:** 86% > yeah so i'm technically not on the infrastructure team but i notice that a lot of the quote projects use the launcher met a data that moding provides and they all parcel in slightly different ways and use it differently one thing that i did was i consolidated that so that it was in kind of one library that encompass all the data that could be **Confidence:** 72% > um introduced **Confidence:** 84% > and that way that whatever project quote works on in the future instead of having to rewrite all the person for the pontry meta data that we could just use this library and that would make it a lot easier to speak of development and just kind of **Confidence:** 85% > test thing we need to it's also public so if anyone has a project that also parses this lunch meditator **Confidence:** 90% > they can use it and so was kind of just stay way to take a lot of common code and consolidate it **Confidence:** 86% > okay well it sounds like good progress regardless good stuff **Confidence:** 90% > ummm yeah if heaven was here i think we could chat a bit more about infra but he is just not so we'll see if he appears later **Confidence:** 93% > in the meantime **Confidence:** 93% > alex would you like to chat about loader **Confidence:** 85% > sure er okay so things that i've had previously that really important is that quilt mod dot jason is is done and implemented so people can write **Confidence:** 81% > a right mods that use quilt up more drop dation so they'll appear as quilt mods rather than as fabric lods to quote loader erm as for it new things er we've deprecated fabric's metadata and added quilts so most of the time mods will now be importing er **Confidence:** 71% > org dot quill mc low dot dot api instead of fabric when using loader **Confidence:** 88% > most usefully we've added quilt entry points er and these includes the mod container as an argument which means that you don't have to use well you don't have to grab them from quote loader or yet you don't have to grapple from quote load oven check to see to make sure that your more doesn't know because that's a bit annoying but **Confidence:** 74% > uhm **Confidence:** 82% > okay so good progress so far at least i'm not quite finished as a bit more now cool loader only has static methods rather than having to use fabric loader dot get get instance you can now just use quite loader good dot get mods or any the other methods there directly which makes it little bit easier to use although we've moved mine cross specific methods to mine craft quote loader because we're working towards moving away from having mine crafted like a call part **Confidence:** 87% > a voda or like because load has meant to be used or possibly used by other games we don't want to like hard code minecraft everywhere so a few mine cross specific things it could be in mind croft specific like parts **Confidence:** 57% > uhm **Confidence:** 90% > the other thing second thing is the i've started work on loader pluggins so these are gonna be very useful for loading mods for completely different loaders **Confidence:** 93% > so for example there's currently a hacky light loader **Confidence:** 80% > loading mod and and that will be outer be sort of rewritten in a more **Confidence:** 86% > sort of more compatible way i guess less aki way **Confidence:** 85% > uhm which would be useful **Confidence:** 89% > uhm eventually this is the sort of thing that will lead to you **Confidence:** 72% > zybri and more downloading **Confidence:** 83% > uhm but that's that hasn't started yet **Confidence:** 56% > um **Confidence:** 90% > and hopefully like automatic modulating plugins not not not from quilt itself but it should be possible to make them **Confidence:** 84% > um that's spread it from loader i think **Confidence:** 41% > the **Confidence:** 94% > okay sounds good **Confidence:** 52% > uhm **Confidence:** 84% > all right my things looks like we have oral again what's going on with mappings **Confidence:** 90% > i think there's a couple questions that just got asked about loader **Confidence:** 88% > we can do those now we can do those at the end i think it's probably better we do those at the end just to make sure we're not going over time all right mappings on a let's see yeah going along well we are currently trying to get **Confidence:** 52% > map **Confidence:** 81% > things to we're trying to get has to generate automatically when the snap fronts come out so that that's nice cheater will talk a little bit more about the technology how of hashed mappings yeah we've been updating taken in pool requests there wasn't anything big for one point eighteen three one but we had a lot of mappings get added in before twenty one w forty four a **Confidence:** 84% > we have a couple poor requests porting commits over from yarn right now please go review those **Confidence:** 50% > uh **Confidence:** 85% > other than that technology wise i finished a complete are not a complete read right but like a seventy percent re right of the quote mapping spilled script it used to be a thousand lines of groovy and i turn that into only three hundred lance agree and thirteen hundred lines of java code but this makes it a lot more expandable and easy to use because the mappings were really painful to work with **Confidence:** 49% > the **Confidence:** 84% > march tricks mappings team i think sometime in the past year because i don't remember exactly when yeah last week march has been working on a bunch of other stuff kind of around mapping she's done a bunch of work in a nick mom i think he had some format stuff that fix some issues with package infos **Confidence:** 85% > he also strett a new project called draftsman and this project strips all the code from methods and fields and stuff like that must the fields are constant or kind of like into equals three and what that will be useful eventually is re writing how hope mappings generate its source because currently it goes to like three different hoops of generating actual job a source code instead of just running a decompiler on some stuff that's really simple to decompile and with the improvements in quote flower and everything that we figure that it's is an easier and faster solution that's all quite a lot of brothers has been made there **Confidence:** 87% > cheater you want to talk about what hashes been doing in the past couple weeks yeah **Confidence:** 90% > hashed has seen a lot of development over the last few weeks **Confidence:** 89% > luckily or unfortunately most of that has been reverted but **Confidence:** 85% > um we are about to stabilise hatched which is very important because we've always as always said has to be stable we can't have hash change mid version of something that doesn't work **Confidence:** 86% > uhm but we have a hatch that seems to be stable right now i've opened an rfc and i please ask everyone to review it and tell us now if they see any issues because if that's rfc gets merged **Confidence:** 78% > and it's still not stable than we might run into trouble later so once the our c s merged i want to stabilise the stable by putting it on the release **Confidence:** 76% > uhm **Confidence:** 68% > will you sme them **Confidence:** 85% > and that should **Confidence:** 79% > then be completely usable for devices well some just gonna **Confidence:** 88% > marked a one question as well where was it **Confidence:** 50% > yeah **Confidence:** 75% > there **Confidence:** 79% > they are it's soon tm it is usable now but once it's actually the river sees through and i would want once you can test the wife's entire tool chain see if there's any if you once that works it's gonna go into really small and then it's definitely usable **Confidence:** 87% > hopefully this happens in the next two weeks until i next meeting **Confidence:** 56% > yeah **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 91% > it's exciting stuff to hear i have to say **Confidence:** 71% > bentley something stable has yet **Confidence:** 84% > yeah absolutely absolutely **Confidence:** 88% > okay **Confidence:** 46% > um **Confidence:** 80% > or or would you like to talk on qsl **Confidence:** 83% > yeah so i i just recently tried to kill some team so i don't have very much to say but you so has been there's a lot pr secure so if you feel like reviewing them please to review them that would be great if you want to write some code for cuba so open up a pr porting fabric module or something like that that would also be great right now kills in the point where it needs more development because there's a lot of code that needs to be written for it and write that code so reviewing that gives us helps us because we need more eyes on code and creating prs also helps just because you know yourself team isn't large enough to port everything from fabric api **Confidence:** 43% > the **Confidence:** 45% > the **Confidence:** 87% > already **Confidence:** 86% > i lost my list **Confidence:** 68% > there it is **Confidence:** 78% > okay little sounds good to get more eyes on things here leal also just said that review the networking api so the i five merges it yes please do this **Confidence:** 76% > at which pr is that **Confidence:** 84% > i'll let me pull it up **Confidence:** 81% > it is pr number thirty four thanks leo **Confidence:** 96% > perfect perfect **Confidence:** 93% > so all eyes on that if you care about this part of the api please do get some reviews in even if you're not part of the team we really could use the input **Confidence:** 92% > all right i think that covers all of the death teams unless any of you have anything else to add **Confidence:** 90% > nope sounds good **Confidence:** 90% > i'll just chime a little bit on the community team as this tradition **Confidence:** 88% > not a whole ton of things that have had been happening of course we've gained a new staff member ama who you guys might know from the moderate moderation and file moderation teams **Confidence:** 94% > she just joined a couple days ago she's doing great **Confidence:** 94% > before you guys will get along with her as well **Confidence:** 92% > we've also been doing some work on cosi as usual specifically i went and cleaned up these suggestions database it turns out cozy was submitting suggestions to its itself somehow think i fixed that one but it was pretty funny i have to say **Confidence:** 90% > and of course we have the new stats interface if anyone likes graphs as much as i do you can head over to the that's page and get a little bit of information on what's going on on both of the servers i'll link that in the channel now **Confidence:** 90% > here it is **Confidence:** 91% > but the again there's not too much to talk about on the community side a lot of things happen quietly or their collaboration related things so we don't tend to talk to heavily about them **Confidence:** 93% > although it might be worth mentioning that we have grown the community collapse efforts quite a bit **Confidence:** 94% > they were just a couple channels on the community server previously but now we've split that off into another server and there is over twice the number of people there now **Confidence:** 97% > which is nice **Confidence:** 90% > so things are going well community wise at least though of course we still got a lot to do i've think what i'm gonna do next is go through all of the open suggestions and make sure they're all addressed and put into the issue tracker at the very least but **Confidence:** 93% > should be there soon hopefully **Confidence:** 77% > alright **Confidence:** 92% > so since all the teams have gone through what they wanted to talk about **Confidence:** 88% > we will open the floor for questions someone who have already been answered generally i would say we'll go top down as they are **Confidence:** 55% > uhm **Confidence:** 93% > but if you have any questions you want to submit use the ask command the slash command **Confidence:** 93% > and we will go through those shortly **Confidence:** 95% > you can put in whatever questions you like **Confidence:** 88% > people won't necessarily answer them we do vet them **Confidence:** 88% > but go ahead just don't you know spam the hell out of it **Confidence:** 79% > the little posted again whips interesting well i just posted answered again because it's the first question in the shit **Confidence:** 81% > yeah if you cook the button again it will send it again i'll say after the yeah i noticed that's after their rc is much **Confidence:** 85% > and that means hopefully the next two weeks before an expert **Confidence:** 89% > okay **Confidence:** 83% > you do to you took the next one yeah i will take that one here we go i'm gonna read the question out just for the sake of the recording **Confidence:** 86% > so i was just asking whether there'll be a list of quote devs or you know the list of the whole quote team somewhere chanonically **Confidence:** 94% > yes there are plans for that originally we were going to put that on the website the website is largely maintained by fork who is really busy at the moment and also disagrees with my web design style so we'll see what happens but we definitely do have plans to have an actual list up there somewhere so everyone knows who's responsible for everything **Confidence:** 95% > and keeping that relatively up to date shouldn't be a huge problem either hopefully **Confidence:** 91% > but yes we are planning on that **Confidence:** 84% > i can take this one from burger also read it out loud how does the mappings team feel about the potential effects quote mappings could have on load of unity versus using much map this isn't applied to hastering reader only quote mappings and so while loaders are moving towards using much map both fabric fabric still uses yarn so **Confidence:** 95% > assuming that **Confidence:** 83% > loaders are a hundred percent moving most map is not the not correct however i do know that a lot of projects are considering moving to much map to promote class loader unity such as **Confidence:** 80% > i know canvasses has iris i think partially has caffeine is considering it yet place forty has **Confidence:** 83% > um another thing but i know a lot of other projects have started moving towards using much map just for cross loader unity and i think that's something that quote mappings could try to solve we could try to figure out how to use their mappings unfortunate or something like that but what what mappings is is this that motor map is **Confidence:** 84% > um while it's complete it often has really bad in himself resource location or myth for math helper comparatively and that quote mappings aims to provide accurate understandable names compared to up much maps just names because when it comes down to it modging aims are there for the developers of mojing who can talk about them amongst themselves **Confidence:** 87% > and why and they're not focused on creating you know a modding api or good names whereas quote mappings has the focus of creating good names and focusing on okay what what does this do and why is why is this a good name versus just okay this name has been around since **Confidence:** 83% > what was it like **Confidence:** 81% > pre pre alpha **Confidence:** 94% > and we haven't touched it since then **Confidence:** 93% > i want to add something to this question just for clarification as well because the question asked **Confidence:** 84% > how does how it has effects the lower unity and says it doesn't apply to hester intermediary i just want to clarify this because the order does not care about quote methings **Confidence:** 89% > it's important to note that's **Confidence:** 93% > the actual mappings are only the death environment **Confidence:** 73% > once you publish your mouth why a jar it's in hashed anyway or an intermediary for a fabric or **Confidence:** 74% > i think sponsors the straight of moduling much mep now um so **Confidence:** 90% > in terms of flower unity **Confidence:** 85% > it's really not the butt will mappings it's about using hashed which is an entire different question in terms of what using a death environment **Confidence:** 87% > i'm not sure if loom has the capabilities yet um maybe but i think it's definitely something we want to have is to allow you to use much mapped during development if you choose so if that is what you want or you can use yarn if you want **Confidence:** 93% > i don't think we have any **Confidence:** 93% > real reason to not allowed it **Confidence:** 80% > just to clarify it as well **Confidence:** 92% > all right thanks for that **Confidence:** 91% > ah i guess i'll take the next one then **Confidence:** 87% > here we go **Confidence:** 91% > provide is asking when rfc thirty eight will be merged generally speaking the admin team is in charge of handling ultimately merging rfc so we do have a review process they admins have all been extremely busy unfortunately but we can certainly ping them on that and maybe see if we can get them to look at it but i think it might be a little bit longer than some people might be expecting **Confidence:** 70% > okay **Confidence:** 76% > i'll take this one for me at sea no one's **Confidence:** 82% > claim the one before it **Confidence:** 86% > okay it's see this is a good question you're asking whether we'll be providing additional insight into call up it's tricky it's tricky **Confidence:** 89% > the problem with being super due for transparent about call up is generally well for example i've been targeted by people that are unhappy with collapse existing i got docsed few weeks ago and while we've dealt with it and it's fine **Confidence:** 92% > it's kind of important that we end up protecting the people that are part of call up though i think on balance absolute transparency is not likely to happen **Confidence:** 92% > that said if anything is going to affect you as a user on quilt i'm still gonna let you know about it **Confidence:** 90% > but i don't think we're gonna go super in depth onto you know what's happening in specifics on call up **Confidence:** 93% > but yeah it's a good question it's a tricky balance to make for us unfortunately but **Confidence:** 86% > you're gonna do what you got to do really **Confidence:** 86% > uhm i think i just want to answer this question **Confidence:** 78% > you are even though i don't have a proper answer for it yeah your friend goes the question was how the official readies have cool as a holding clue and incurs determined the problem we have read now is that we have a lot of things we want to do we want to replace loom the would need a lower needs to plug ins cured is still unsure how much of it is just gonna be a rep fabric app and how much is going to be in you so **Confidence:** 85% > the question to answer to the questions really we don't know what an official release of quilt will require **Confidence:** 67% > uhm **Confidence:** 74% > so yeah i think that's for not a answer to that question of this miles has a better answer to the **Confidence:** 43% > the **Confidence:** 67% > yeah **Confidence:** 55% > cool **Confidence:** 89% > eh i'm just asking answering question from **Confidence:** 84% > jammel can quit loaded load boats with farbert model yes this is this is always been the case this is always been possible we're just gonna move fabric mode loading over to a plug in rather than being like directly in quilt but it that won't affect how people use it it'll still you'll still always better use fabric modern loader **Confidence:** 40% > the **Confidence:** 52% > yeah **Confidence:** 75% > all right i got two **Confidence:** 84% > all right first term how will mapping changes from yarn end up getting into quote mapping is there any sink system between quote mappings if not is planned at all no hard sink system what we have is tools that can confirm the get get patch files between intermediary and hash much map hashed and that allows us to pull over if there are **Confidence:** 87% > really big important changes we want to pull over from yard or really well thought out we can do that but most of the stuff has still been in house developments and **Confidence:** 88% > the the reason is that right now yarn just has suddenly more collaborators but we're quickly growing and i think we'll soon be able to outpace yarn with collaborators and new mappings and they'll be pretty good i've just been busy so i haven't been able to personally make any pole requests but i know that martricks has been making a bunch and that's been really helpful so the people where we're starting to get the ball rolling with any new project it takes a while and so we're just **Confidence:** 92% > keeping up with yarn for the little bit just because it helps with a little bit more of that development **Confidence:** 90% > and this next question from **Confidence:** 84% > blood arm sorry if i pronounce that wrong and you said well quote mappings be usable with forge that i can't say **Confidence:** 68% > um **Confidence:** 95% > it can definitely be used with **Confidence:** 83% > arch look or forge loom which would then be able to compile to forge however i don't know if it would work with in forge grade but that would be something that could be explored **Confidence:** 52% > yeah **Confidence:** 81% > right looks like i've got i can answer here **Confidence:** 89% > so i was is mostly arkane asking about substantial changes to rfc's and how that process should work it's a tricky question to a point it depends honestly so far we've been kind of avoiding using the amendment process for some things like **Confidence:** 78% > with the community **Confidence:** 92% > entry team rfc at least one of the things we did was re right several of the processes there and at first i was going to do an amendment but we had a chat and basically it's much easier to follow things if you just update the original rfc **Confidence:** 88% > i don't think there's **Confidence:** 93% > really a problem with that considering we do have the commit history there i guess there are probably things where you might want amendment but nothing really comes to mind at the moment **Confidence:** 92% > it's not so much a new rfc supersedes that you're updating the original one but you're still keeping the history there since does the commit history so i think that works okay at least so far although if that needs to change certainly it's something we can look at **Confidence:** 43% > the **Confidence:** 81% > yep i think it's a similar situation for the last one **Confidence:** 79% > so the question is what version's keen will are arkified project use at which will which version can we will use syrapus version semantic versioning rather **Confidence:** 69% > uhm **Confidence:** 78% > i would and is it different for a project on the world matainers i think the last month in general most likely **Confidence:** 86% > however i do know that **Confidence:** 68% > mosts will sat at a tounty like zero based versioning **Confidence:** 87% > so i think for most stuff it's gonna be sam sort of semantic versioning **Confidence:** 73% > for example i know for example hash to i'm gonna switch it to be a one already estimate emerged antenna some stops with like mappings that country to be simvered so **Confidence:** 78% > a general microphone to related stuff to depend manchester version can't really be summer because microphone of number so no promises and except exact format but **Confidence:** 86% > in general don't expect zero based version i think **Confidence:** 62% > yeah **Confidence:** 83% > so i also claimed the next one so let's keep going if that asks **Confidence:** 84% > will there be noticeable differences between vote and fabric does quote have technology that would be impossible to port of ferret first i would answer the second part this would have technology that would be possible to forty february no of course not i mean quote was pointed from was a pork of fabric february could easily just get everything back they want to bed at that point february becomes quote **Confidence:** 81% > um but in general will it be noticeable difference between quit on fabric yes for sure um first of the default stuff so using hashed and quote my pictures there of intermediary of course february could switch over to some point if they really want to to put that's i don't think that super likely **Confidence:** 80% > um that a big difference would be quite flower but i've heard that it might come to fabric soon team maybe **Confidence:** 81% > nothing no promises then as of course doesn't exist yet on quilt that might tap on february but that's when i think it's not as likely because it would require quite a few changes to look which we gonna make but unless february just literally takes our new bill tools they're not going to get cast anytime soon **Confidence:** 90% > what was the last when i had one more **Confidence:** 58% > yeah **Confidence:** 69% > okay i've got the last i forgot one i have on one minute **Confidence:** 86% > okay **Confidence:** 70% > oh yeah playing exactly **Confidence:** 86% > load up against a likely something that's gonna be different if you're wondering what loader pluggings hard different question but one of the things that's important to us is **Confidence:** 79% > to automatically down the cus elephant required so we don't have user stemming with **Confidence:** 88% > i installed tapic but now it's telling me fabric is missing **Confidence:** 86% > so **Confidence:** 60% > yeah **Confidence:** 89% > i think also a few differences that should be noticeable that of course could be pointed by i don't expect them to **Confidence:** 42% > the **Confidence:** 74% > all right **Confidence:** 81% > or alright are you okay to take the next one **Confidence:** 66% > so **Confidence:** 57% > forces events **Confidence:** 74% > the goal is to arm but the goal is to be a standard library so it should have a lot of events to bring everything together and **Confidence:** 79% > so a block place event or screen and learn events are like kinda **Confidence:** 89% > at least for me **Confidence:** 69% > are very is essential for bringing mods together and far and for interacting so **Confidence:** 81% > um instruction events are really important **Confidence:** 82% > so you should expect seeing them in yourself though when that cannot be said because well **Confidence:** 88% > it all depends on what evidence we will get **Confidence:** 64% > yeah **Confidence:** 85% > we do want those and we don't want to bank shut too much but then either because very important **Confidence:** 85% > i think that's it **Confidence:** 73% > all right good stuff **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 72% > oh i don't take a breed discussion **Confidence:** 89% > yeah go for it **Confidence:** 70% > so **Confidence:** 75% > as definitely detergent will be different looked into because **Confidence:** 61% > where **Confidence:** 69% > to make mald to big mods will be a pain to do wife of that agenda that that's for sure even more more young use detentions so we have to **Confidence:** 41% > data **Confidence:** 58% > all **Confidence:** 71% > i don't know yet hold maybe we try to use my young that that the channel system on maybe we will make all **Confidence:** 74% > that's not setting stone there's also a plans for renting that agenda but that's not true **Confidence:** 58% > data jennings jason **Confidence:** 71% > that's fall around making modern traction more is your like if you have a month that you know that answer you would type you want one stuff to be generated for that type to in your mod **Confidence:** 79% > like if you had the item that's also **Confidence:** 60% > uhm **Confidence:** 87% > planned **Confidence:** 75% > but as i said it's not free for no implementation is known so we seem to future **Confidence:** 80% > i think that sits for now **Confidence:** 86% > okay thank you for that aurora **Confidence:** 76% > um i think so this one i think **Confidence:** 89% > so site with is asking whether the final tallies of votes for technical decisions will be made public **Confidence:** 90% > it's a good question this isn't one that any of us can really answer without someone from the admin board around regarding rfc's you'll see those on the rfc pole request like the discussion is there the reviews are there you can see what people thought of them **Confidence:** 92% > or other types of votes it's hard to say it's largely going to depend where they happen though for example if something happens on get hub it's probably going to be through reactions maybe it's not a lot of this really depend **Confidence:** 85% > and on how the admins want to run that and unfortunately none of them are at the meeting this time maybe it'll be at the next one so you can ask it again **Confidence:** 77% > i think also to to add on this i don't think it **Confidence:** 89% > has really happened yet i think there was like one pole so thought it was like basically a naming question put **Confidence:** 95% > i don't think there's been any big ones yet so **Confidence:** 85% > i have no president **Confidence:** 87% > yeah i'll answer a next fumber local even though it's a little bit hard to answer **Confidence:** 83% > the question was what major role blocks remain to cume else public release **Confidence:** 74% > as i prefer this we don't really know but **Confidence:** 80% > we need some minimal viable product like to cause it and that requires at least loaded to work which we decided to request little plug ins so the plans need to happen reasonable tools we have a version of through that might be good enough for like a beta release but eventually we might want to switch over to the great was something so i'd say right now we're mostly looking at getting some not released version but some beta version of q mail out **Confidence:** 94% > which is usable even though maybe not everything is stable **Confidence:** 76% > and for the actual release it's just unclear what we've wanted to have for next do we want heasm if it just would be to know maybe we want to get some already **Confidence:** 76% > do we want a new built to maybe based on another grade left hand thing **Confidence:** 67% > it's just blue lancay unfortunately **Confidence:** 93% > but for a usable better release what we really need is **Confidence:** 83% > bill tools **Confidence:** 81% > that a kinda working and loader which is cannot working **Confidence:** 86% > but yeah i think that's it **Confidence:** 87% > do we do account the next one as well as part of the same question yeah i think that was part of the same question really a fish asked whether we have a road map and where where we're at if there's a refute it's it's basically exactly what was just talked about for an eta i don't believe we're committing to anything we were originally aiming into tively for an alpha version for microphone one point eighteen it's coming a bit sooner than we thought it would **Confidence:** 95% > that said who knows we'll have to see what happens but we're not committing to any specific release time at the moment **Confidence:** 88% > i can take this one **Confidence:** 65% > thank you **Confidence:** 86% > or are asks this is anything the only idea of forums no not really we did chat about what we'd use it's probably going to be discourse but otherwise we need to wait on heaven who is **Confidence:** 91% > is doing most of the infrastructure work while i could stand up a form on my own on my own server it's really not ideal at all we should have it on proper quill infra and will need heaven for that that said i think he was not planning on looking into it until we were close to release **Confidence:** 94% > it's hard to say whether he thinks we're close enough at this point or not but again it's something we'll have to ask about once the admins are here **Confidence:** 65% > yeah **Confidence:** 58% > or are goes **Confidence:** 88% > yeah take this you'll take it as well we don't have any specific codified road map up at the moment **Confidence:** 95% > it's it's not a bad idea it's not a bad idea **Confidence:** 95% > right now i would recommend **Confidence:** 92% > looking at get hub and just seeing what's going on there it's kind of difficult to get a complete roadmap written up at this **Confidence:** 90% > release stage yeah there is that project i don't think it's public i'm not sure again that's something we'll have to ask the adams about **Confidence:** 90% > but at the same time i i think it is public did they make a public finally **Confidence:** 58% > uhm **Confidence:** 84% > then we have a quick look at that **Confidence:** 85% > yes that's right right okay well there's your answer i guess that hasn't been updated in a while **Confidence:** 92% > yeah it probably is a bit out of date i think we'll probably want to talk to the admins again on that one but **Confidence:** 92% > i believe the other teams have access to touch that so if they want to update it a bit that'd be great as well **Confidence:** 90% > okay i'll take that one **Confidence:** 76% > all right are they our thing is asking about quote much **Confidence:** 90% > the official stances we don't know realistically we're trying to keep money out of the organs much as we can **Confidence:** 86% > out well we've talked about this with the admins largely it's a case of heaven is **Confidence:** 92% > mostly pay for everything that needs to be paid for there's a couple other people contributing a little bit for domains and stuff but right now we don't really have any plans to go further with with that after quotes released we will probably **Confidence:** 91% > we look into something like an open collective just to make sure we can get all the info paid for without draining haven't beer money but i i don't think we're gonna go super hard and on that since we really don't want to start turning this into like a for profit endeavour at all **Confidence:** 71% > well that's a duplicate question from general thank you john map **Confidence:** 75% > so i was asked **Confidence:** 90% > if the cool admin board is luck to three board members from recollection on the initiative server which is basically where will the initial planning happened we wanted to have at least three admins **Confidence:** 90% > i'm not a hundred percent familiar with the process behind electing a new admin **Confidence:** 93% > but i think three was decided is just a good number at the time it might be worth revisiting that and just to clarify it but **Confidence:** 91% > yeah i don't i don't think there's a big issue there **Confidence:** 39% > the **Confidence:** 52% > uhm **Confidence:** 45% > the **Confidence:** 80% > i guess i can pick all right i'll just just take this one then the first one there since there's not much to send us any updates in using frexing q **Confidence:** 84% > i'm not sure if that's directly referring to the conversation it was but the water conversation had with grundek talking about it i don't put anything else there **Confidence:** 88% > look if i quickly can find it argh **Confidence:** 90% > that shouldn't be that's heart **Confidence:** 86% > do not just link to it then you can look at it **Confidence:** 57% > yeah **Confidence:** 90% > while you're looking for that local quickly mentioned an odd number of admits is important yes it is **Confidence:** 90% > we wanted to make sure that things couldn't be too stocked by two people but also you know we need them for tie breakers so if we had an even number of admins that wouldn't really work very well **Confidence:** 83% > you found it **Confidence:** 92% > all right i guess i'll try to address burgers question it's not an easy one for sure **Confidence:** 36% > okay **Confidence:** 89% > berger asks there's a lot of people working on quote that are busy or can't fully focus on quilt so joining a team seems like a large commitment **Confidence:** 95% > i think that's a bit of a contradiction **Confidence:** 92% > yes a lot of people are busy and can't focus but we we don't require that of people like everyone has a life that they have to be living outside of quote **Confidence:** 90% > and it's important to us that they're allowed to do that so yes you know people are going to be busy that's just how it is i think it's a still a fair concern ultimately though being on a team as a relatively chill affair like we're not gonna be complaining if you don't give as much time as we think you could or anything **Confidence:** 94% > it's really just a case of giving what you can you know we're not we're not gonna yell at you for it **Confidence:** 75% > yeah no one's complaining if you are joining a team and then not working on it yeah join the built some teals already happy anyone wants to work on great i'll just see it even if we just like more that six single line in a build script that's that's cool **Confidence:** 58% > okay **Confidence:** 64% > yeah **Confidence:** 79% > i think that a community team yeah that's definitely for us **Confidence:** 77% > it's he asks about a showcase for starboard **Confidence:** 93% > we do have plans **Confidence:** 89% > for a sort of a mods showcase after quote releases obviously we want to make use of the site more and use the blog from our community related thing so yeah we do have some plans for that nothing super detailed right now of course because well it's pretty released but yes we we do have plans as for a starboard not really there are suggestions open about a starboard but i have concerns about how it might be used and how we might moderate it on top of everything else although assuming we get more moderators maybe it'll happen **Confidence:** 92% > it's hard to say for sure but yes **Confidence:** 90% > so will definitely be doing a sort of a mods showcase thing on the website there's that's something we've planned since like the absolute beginning **Confidence:** 90% > that's right i mean you have experience with that **Confidence:** 63% > yeah **Confidence:** 91% > it looks like we've come to the end of the question q i believe **Confidence:** 94% > yep so if anyone has any other questions to put in we have maybe ten minutes left **Confidence:** 76% > at least on art are predicted schedule **Confidence:** 82% > if not **Confidence:** 80% > then that's cool too **Confidence:** 70% > yeah yeah **Confidence:** 64% > yeah **Confidence:** 90% > you did i think you asked a question about prime numbers it seemed a bit off topic really **Confidence:** 89% > i mean if you really need an uncertain no **Confidence:** 93% > ah this is a good question **Confidence:** 88% > shall i take this one or what one of you rather **Confidence:** 85% > okay i'll take it **Confidence:** 67% > yeah **Confidence:** 79% > alright **Confidence:** 93% > the bus factor for quote is it's actually a surprising question for those of you to don't know what that means it's the number of people that would need to be hit by a bus to basically prevent the project from continuing **Confidence:** 91% > right now for most of quilt it's not that low it's certainly more than one which you know you **Confidence:** 82% > think fabric is a bus factor of what like to **Confidence:** 93% > the whole point of having distributed teams the way we do or at least one of the reasons is to make sure that's not really a problem **Confidence:** 92% > even we are working on when he's here next and he is busy at the moment we are going to work on distributing credentials for the infrastructure to just a couple of us who have experience with that **Confidence:** 90% > not sure who exactly it's gonna be yet **Confidence:** 95% > but yes we definitely don't want to have a super low bus factor here **Confidence:** 68% > uhm **Confidence:** 39% > the **Confidence:** 64% > yeah **Confidence:** 83% > berger i'm afraid haven't a burger **Confidence:** 90% > but i'm not particularly worried right now i i do think again we need to get a couple more people doing what haven't **Confidence:** 91% > is doing but that's no issue he just needs to be not busy and hand their credentials and we can sort that out produced easily **Confidence:** 39% > the **Confidence:** 95% > we still have time for a couple more questions if anyone has any **Confidence:** 67% > yeah **Confidence:** 66% > yeah **Confidence:** 67% > ah here's all **Confidence:** 71% > yeah **Confidence:** 78% > lenric really is having a cake i can **Confidence:** 87% > confirm that heaven is indeed a black for a scatter **Confidence:** 90% > okay i think i have a question they can ask invoice **Confidence:** 52% > yep **Confidence:** 88% > omenous deft team seems really nice and have so many more questions to ask and ask them later as well **Confidence:** 91% > yeah of course happy to take questions the ma will be closed after we're done with the meeting but certainly you can ask any point of questions you have in the relevant channels **Confidence:** 63% > yeah **Confidence:** 68% > yes or so complete hang around **Confidence:** 66% > yeah **Confidence:** 70% > right **Confidence:** 52% > yeah **Confidence:** 80% > this is called a tool trained settle but not a tool to and develop her server anyone's for the free to hang around and ask questions here **Confidence:** 85% > absolutely possibility that will hang out in some other voice check after this meeting as well **Confidence:** 89% > i'll take this one from burger and i think we're going to finish up on the ama **Confidence:** 89% > after that one since we're almost running over time **Confidence:** 88% > so burger ask who has the nuclear codes for everything **Confidence:** 88% > well **Confidence:** 88% > it's a complex question no one person really for the community stuff so mostly the discord servers at the moment cashika is the keyholder he is there to basically prevent any **Confidence:** 94% > one on the community team or admin team really from pushing ahead with their own agenda **Confidence:** 69% > uhm **Confidence:** 83% > like he if if you don't know him how **Confidence:** 91% > he's a very well known very respected member of the wider modern community he has no direct interest in quilt that's why he is in the position **Confidence:** 88% > as for the projects themselves get how permission stock is all i can say technically speaking all the admins have access to mess up the repos **Confidence:** 97% > there's nothing that can be done about that unfortunately **Confidence:** 96% > but that's why you have to be careful with electing admins right **Confidence:** 94% > we do also enforce two fa so i'm not worried about them losing their accounts or anything like that **Confidence:** 55% > yeah **Confidence:** 87% > and is on be asked whether it would be possible to have more mods in a single job but not using the jaran job system this is something that loaded him is sort of thought about a little bit before we haven't sort of looked into it yet but this would be something that someone would need to create like either a proper rfc about or just an issue and we can discuss it later so **Confidence:** 97% > so basically not yet but it might happen in the future **Confidence:** 91% > all right i think we're going to call it and evening at this point thanks for coming everybody especially the people who answered questions and generally had a chat with us on here and of course the people who asked them because we certainly need them we'll be doing this again in two weeks same time same place we're planning on continuing this as as long as we can really **Confidence:** 93% > yes evening it is evening trust me **Confidence:** 92% > i'll leave the meeting chat channel open for a little bit more in case people want to catch up and i will also get a recording posted in the schedule channel **Confidence:** 90% > if someone has time will do a transcript absolutely cannot guarantee anything we're of relatively busy with what we're doing but we'll see **Confidence:** 88% > so i think that about currency for now thanks for coving everybody we will catch you in two weeks **Confidence:** 76% > yep see you around **Confidence:** 90% > yep i'll be with cheater in the voice chat as well **Confidence:** 88% > all right by everyone **Confidence:** 78% > by everyone ###### tags: `QuiltMC`
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