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# HAUS Party LIVE! Notes: 6/17

## Notes From the Livestream

YouTube Link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1399NJnCg&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1399NJnCg&feature=youtu.be)

**Topics**

- Federated DAOs and *DAOplomacy*

**Hosts & Guests**

- Felipe Duarte, dekanbro, vengist
- Niran (Panvala)

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## [[0:51](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=51)] Updates (DAOhaus Universe)

- Currently revamping the DAOhaus Discord
- Putting more money into the community — earn tips in $HAUS by participating in Discord
- Refine pathway from external community member → core in the DAOhaus
- Choose Your Own Adventure paths for involvement and participation
- Professional life becomes a Choose Your Own Adventure

## [[2:17](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=137)] Federated DAOs

- "DAOs unite to amplify their power."
- Federated DAOs are way that DAOs work together to amplify power
- How do we get individuals to coordinate to do something they couldn't do before individually?
- DAOhaus DAOs getting individuals to work together. Using similar tools and mechanisms to get **groups** to work together
- UberHaus → how the DAOhaus DAOs work together. Communities come together to make things work
- [PrimeDAO](https://medium.com/primedao/introducing-primedao-1739ea0acb97) has communities working together to advance DeFi
- [Panvala](https://panvala.com/): Communities coming together to get resources into their communities
- Joining forces between communities rather than individuals
- [[4:18]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=258) Different efforts in this space for awhile, but has recently taken hold with PrimeDAO, UberHaus
- Nations help *citizens* work together, but international organizations help *nations* work together → creating this in the DAO world
- "Intergovernmental organizations" can be created in the DAO world
- How do DAOs collaborate? Bring together communities using tools to govern the tools themselves → "Stronger their network, stronger their ability to collaborate."
- [[6:05]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=365) Brings representation for the entire DAO movement and a layer of coordination: "Visibility is a right that fires other rights."
- Conversations in crypto are often shallow and misguided, so this could be a way to participate in these larger conversations

### [[7:09]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=427) DAOs and Nations

"National, but borderless."

- Amos's article [How to increase DAO participation in UberHaus?](https://hackmd.io/@arentweall/Hy3QUfZsO) dives into analogy of nations and goes into "single-player" and "multi-player"
- How to move into the multi-player world and interacting with other DAOs?
- Building up a *Federation of Nations*
- DAOs are a powerful tool to organize people
- Tools are powerful, but we need to be *extremely organized* to use them
- Actions need to match the words → tools for coordination → DAOs need to be examples of coordination across the world (THIS is the evidence)
- DAOs can be like a nation, a club, an organization, etc.
- Many different approaches
- Nationalism inside DAOs?
- [[10:40]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=640) Holding ourselves to a certain standard:
- On-chain, transparent, global, "national, but borderless" → Should we hold people we work with to this standard (especially traditional organizations)?
- GrantsDAO in the UN (perhaps too early, never moved forward), but Federated DAOs could start sending emissaries to the UN and gaining more representation on these playing fields
- "Needing to DAO up"
- Politicizing the DAO space and organizating "representation initiatives"
- There are values that are shared by nature of being in a DAO. Should we hold groups we collaborate with to these standards?
- Working with people who are value aligned
- Sending funds to a non-profit that isn't a DAO is very different — less (or no) transparency. There are different considerations when working with DAOs vs. non-DAOs
-[[13:48]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=848) Collaborating with DAOs: Shared values around transparency
- "Up to us to build it" → Collaboration is important
- If there is a service provider DAO offering a needed service, this should be where we look
- Partners in Community → Service Provider DAOs
- Keeping the value created inside the community and economy so the value can amplify itself
- Chance for **network effect** when working within DAO ecosystem and communities

## [[15:20]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=920) Expanding the DAO Ecosystem

- There is a lot of untapped potential outside of the DAO ecosystem → *cooperation maximalist*
- Coordination cost is low when partners are already a DAO and on-chain
- **Panvala League**
- 57 communities (a lot are DAOs, but some aren't)
- Non-DAOs still need ETH wallet to receive funds
- Not as concerned about how they *govern* themselves, but look for *proof of community* and insight into how resources are being used
- Want to see that resources are being used to make an *actual community thrive*
- Can be a member of multiple DAOs allows for both ease in transfers of both talent and funds
- There are cases where individuals are important as well (Bruce Springsteen as Bruce Springsteen, not as a DAO)
- Even if the *individual* isn't a DAO, the *community* can be a DAO
- *Radiohead as a DAO* → certain individuals still bring a lot of influence
- Maybe this still requires a paradigm shift in mindset
- [[21:35]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=1295) Traditional organizations adopting DAOs
- Not everything *needs* to be a DAO, but being a DAO enables an on-chain identity factor and establishment of reputation in an immutable ecosystem

### DAO Participation

- "Participatory decision making power over how the organization can grow."
- DAOs especially good at solving these types of problems by leveraging technology to create alignment amongst (and within) communities
- [[24:08]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=1448) Shared reputation amongst communities is another emergent property of DAOs
- Sybil Resistance
- DAOs are a good way to solve this due to transparency of ledger. Can see how someone interacts with different communities over time
- Well-defined identities
- [[26:10]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=1570) **Dichotomy**: everything *can* be on chain, but it's not *easily found*
- Visualization of this information and relationships in a digestible format is critical
- Need for clarity of information for decision making
- Trinity: DeFi, NFTs, DAOs are 3 areas of blockchain activity
- Each require very different data with varying levels of complexity
- [[29:05]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=1745)Not *all* data is on chain, so can't get a complete picture of what a community has done through looking at transactions alone
- Lots happening in form posts, Discord, soft-consensus periods aren't on chain or on a verifiable source such as IPFS
- Potential solutions
- 1) Standardization of data collection is a way to solve this
- 2) Hiding things behind the scenes as much as possible is another
- Courts as "vintage blockchains" where issues are resolved with data
- When things go wrong is when data is gathered to resolve disputes
- Community garden working to put together a fund without going to a court they'll ignore a lot of the transparency until it's an issue or dispute
- Similar to keeping UI focused on most critical information to avoid decision paralysis, but knowing that the data *is available* and can be accessed as needed
- Discord connecting to web3, putting things on IPFS are transitions toward having everything on chain (since having everything on chain is expensive)
- Optimistic Scaling Solutions
- Off chain voting that can be disputed
- Minimizing on chain transparency but you lose data over time with this
- Is it better to have the decision on chain initially instead of going to a network of arbiters
- Ability to transparently challenge assumptions and decisions in a trustless way is important
- A lot of the soft-consensus and off chain approach has been due to high gas costs
- Will be interesting to see if this changes
- [[36:20]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=2120) One core value in the blockchain is in resolving disputes
- Need a venue for *productive conflicts* — how do groups structure productive conflict?
- Have on chain system to *resolve disputes* if it goes beyond people being able to figure things out

### Disputes Amongst DAOs, Conflict, and Mergers

- Many things supporting collaboration: open source, shared talent
- [[39:07]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=2347) What happens if DAOs *don't* collaborate → "Do DAOs go to war?"
- "Community vampire attacks"
- Need conflict to solve issues of conflict (to test, to see how DAOs resolve differences)
- "If you're in a dark room you need to bump into a wall to see where it is"
- [[42:08]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=2528) Dispute resolution amongst Federated DAOs — there hasn't been one yet
- Look toward manifestos and purposes
- "Default thing that tokens do is divide people" → How do we move away from this before it tears communities apart
- Mindset of openness to mergers is a way to prevent this
- When narratives of 2 tokens overlap is when these conflicts emerge
- If narratives begin to overlap look toward merging and collaboration
- Similar to emergence of Sports Leagues in the US
- Default to merging instead of *token nationalism*
- Two tokens with the same narrative often leads directly to conflict
- *Navigation of context* critical to mergers and conflict resolution
- Need to be wary of "one DAO to rule them all"
- People (and DAOs) have sovereignty to do what they want and the overlapping is what connects DAOs
- "Illusion of individuality"
- Component of individuality available but it's not the full story
- Identity of community, but not the full story
- Defaulting to merger or conflict → "Loose string cannot shoot an arrow"
- Facilitators and contextual navigators, DAOplomats, critical to this balance
- There is room for parallel experiences can exist
- [[52:28]](https://youtu.be/Wv1399NJnCg?t=3028) States and Token Communities (instead of Nations)
- Instead of each state competing amongst each other there could be something above them to create alignment and foster parallel experiments
- Excited to see this with UberHaus and $HAUS
- GDP: Gross DAOmestic Product and $HAUS is the index of smaller community tokens within the UberHaus community
- *Default to zoom out* — proximity at the core of a lot of conflict so this is a process of reframing and recreating contexts
- Help to create spaces in which communities can zoom out
- Does this only work temporarily?
- Need to create structures to allow this to happen
- There is a website coming soon that will support much of what is being discussed

## Resources

- [How to increase DAO participation in UberHaus?](https://hackmd.io/@arentweall/Hy3QUfZsO)
- [Panvala](https://panvala.com/)
- [PrimeDAO](https://medium.com/primedao/introducing-primedao-1739ea0acb97)